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Qtec
07-07-2011, 01:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Union Workers Replaced With Prison Labor Under Scott Walker’s Collective Bargaining Law

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link (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/07/06/261319/scott-walker-prison-labor/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As the Madison Capital Times reports, “Besides losing their right to negotiate over the percentage of their paycheck that will go toward health care and retirement, unions also lost the ability to claim work as a ‘union-only’ job, opening the door for private workers and evidently even inmates to step in and take their place.” Inmates are not paid for their work, but may receive time off of their sentences.

The law went into effect last week, and Racine County is already using inmates to do landscaping, painting, and another basic maintenance around the county that was previously done by county workers.


..While giving prisoners more work and activity options is generally positive, using free inmate labor to replace public sector workers is a disturbing trend. </div></div>

Q

LWW
07-07-2011, 03:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The law went into effect last week, and Racine County is already using inmates to do landscaping, painting, and another basic maintenance around the county that was previously done by county workers.</div></div>

Q </div></div>

Do you have any idea what that means?

Of course you don't ... but if you had clicked on the links within your link to see the basis for the "TRUTH" being spoon fed to you, well you would realize that Racine County is in fact already doing this.

Of course you would also know, from your own link, that they have been doing it for the last two years ... well preceding the new law. You would also know that the expansion of the program does not take work away from paid union employees ... it instead uses prison labor to tend to areas that had been ignored in the past due to budget constraints.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>For the past two years jail inmates have mowed medians on state highways in the county.</span>

Read more: http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/g...l#ixzz1RPPFhcTo (http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_97bd5d58-a243-11e0-b2f9-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1RPPFhcTo)</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>“We have a win-win when we use the inmates,” Ladwig said. “It gives them a sense of value they are helping the community.” At the same time, he said it will help the county maintain property that has been neglected.</span>

No inmates would be required to help with county work, but those who do could receive reduced sentences, he said. Because of past union grievances the county was not able to offer reduced sentences. It was considered “compensation,” Ladwig said. But he plans to reinstate it.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>He plans to start using inmates for more county work in the next few weeks. The use of inmates will not result in any public works staff reductions, Ladwig said.</span>


Read more: http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/g...l#ixzz1RPPU7bgA (http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_97bd5d58-a243-11e0-b2f9-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1RPPU7bgA)</div></div>

The regime simply could not function without a mob full of useful tools ... much like yourself ... willing to blindly believe whatever version of "TRUTH" they are pimping today.

LWW
07-07-2011, 03:16 AM
Thios is a hoot my ill informed friend.

If you follow your links back up for their "TRUTH" ... which they know you would never do ... you also find this:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>At least for now, it doesn't look as if the roughly 860 inmates in the Dane County Jail will be seeing any changes in the work-related opportunities available to them, says Elise Schaffer, the spokeswoman for the Dane County Sheriff's Office.</span>

Schaffer says inmates are allowed to clean the jail and serve meals, participate in the work release, or Huber, program, and are eligible to participate in a volunteer program that allows them to leave the jail and work at local non-profit organizations.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>That list does not include any jobs that have ever been done by county workers, she says.</span>


Read more: http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/go...l#ixzz1RPQYuzaG (http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/capitol-report/article_abc24a50-a362-11e0-bef3-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1RPQYuzaG)</div></div>

So ... American Pravda takes a program from the prior democrook regime and blames it on the new (R) gubner, feeding the mob the mental ... but provably false ... image of inmates displacing state workers, and you lick the spoon clean and beg for seconds.

How truly sad is that.

eg8r
07-07-2011, 12:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Union Workers Replaced With Prison Labor Under Scott Walker’s Collective Bargaining Law
</div></div>What a fantastic idea. Now we can actually get some of our money's worth from these criminals. Put their butts to work.

eg8r

ugotda7
07-07-2011, 12:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Union Workers Replaced With Prison Labor Under Scott Walker’s Collective Bargaining Law

</div></div>

link (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/07/06/261319/scott-walker-prison-labor/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As the Madison Capital Times reports, “Besides losing their right to negotiate over the percentage of their paycheck that will go toward health care and retirement, unions also lost the ability to claim work as a ‘union-only’ job, opening the door for private workers and evidently even inmates to step in and take their place.” Inmates are not paid for their work, but may receive time off of their sentences.

The law went into effect last week, and Racine County is already using inmates to do landscaping, painting, and another basic maintenance around the county that was previously done by county workers.


..While giving prisoners more work and activity options is generally positive, using free inmate labor to replace public sector workers is a disturbing trend. </div></div>

Q </div></div>

And your thoughts on this are.............?

LWW
07-08-2011, 03:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Union Workers Replaced With Prison Labor Under Scott Walker’s Collective Bargaining Law
</div></div>What a fantastic idea. Now we can actually get some of our money's worth from these criminals. Put their butts to work.

eg8r </div></div>

As soon as he has been shown that he was pimped by his leftist overlords ... he retreats into silence in the thread.

Fear not, however, as history has shown that he will likely regurgitate this lie in about a week ... and then at regular intervals until the end of time.

Qtec
07-09-2011, 02:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Union Workers Replaced With Prison Labor Under Scott Walker’s Collective Bargaining Law

.<u>While giving prisoners more work and activity options is generally positive,</u> using <span style='font-size: 14pt'>free inmate labor to replace public sector workers</span> is a disturbing trend. </div></div>

Its pretty clear what the problem is.

Q

LWW
07-09-2011, 05:21 AM
Yes it is ... the problem is that you are an uber nit who will regurgitate whatever "TRUTH" your party masters tell you to accept as "TRUTH" today.

Here's a clue ... states have been using inmate labor at pay well below minimum wage, or in exchange for time off, for as long as the nation has existed. They have done it under democrook regimes. They have done it under republichicken regimes. They have done it under independent regimes. They have done it under whig regimes.

Qtec
07-09-2011, 06:31 AM
This is different.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Union Workers <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Replaced</span> With Prison Labor </div></div>

Is this creating jobs?

Q

Qtec
07-09-2011, 06:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Union Workers Replaced With Prison Labor Under Scott Walker’s Collective Bargaining Law
</div></div>What a fantastic idea. Now we can actually get some of our money's worth from these criminals. Put their butts to work.

eg8r </div></div>

I'm sure there are a number of people now in prison who can do your job, they are not all brainless, eg...Bernie M wasn't dumb, only stupid?
Lets say tomorrow you are fired! A convict is taking over your job and they pay him nothing. How do you feel now?

You can always pick cucumbers.

Q

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LWW
07-09-2011, 07:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is different.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Union Workers <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Replaced</span> With Prison Labor </div></div>

Is this creating jobs?

Q </div></div>

No ... it's called telling lies, as was already shown to you:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>He plans to start using inmates for more county work in the next few weeks. The use of inmates will not result in any public works staff reductions, Ladwig said.</span>


Read more: http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/g...l#ixzz1RPPU7bgA (http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_97bd5d58-a243-11e0-b2f9-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1RPPU7bgA)</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>At least for now, it doesn't look as if the roughly 860 inmates in the Dane County Jail will be seeing any changes in the work-related opportunities available to them, says Elise Schaffer, the spokeswoman for the Dane County Sheriff's Office.</span>

Schaffer says inmates are allowed to clean the jail and serve meals, participate in the work release, or Huber, program, and are eligible to participate in a volunteer program that allows them to leave the jail and work at local non-profit organizations.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>That list does not include any jobs that have ever been done by county workers, she says.</span>


Read more: http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/go...l#ixzz1RPQYuzaG (http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/capitol-report/article_abc24a50-a362-11e0-bef3-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1RPQYuzaG)</div></div>

But, you have always embraced whatever lie the party spoon feeds you.

Oh, BTW, both of those quotes came from the links contained within YOUR source.

But, as I said, they knew there was absolutely zero chance that you would dare to question the spoon fed "TRUTH" presented in a big scary propaganda piece.

LWW
07-09-2011, 07:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Union Workers Replaced With Prison Labor Under Scott Walker’s Collective Bargaining Law
</div></div>What a fantastic idea. Now we can actually get some of our money's worth from these criminals. Put their butts to work.

eg8r </div></div>

I'm sure there are a number of people now in prison who can do your job, they are not all brainless, eg...Bernie M wasn't dumb, only stupid?
Lets say tomorrow you are fired! A convict is taking over your job and they pay him nothing. How do you feel now?

You can always pick cucumbers.

Q

i </div></div>

I can't be fired.

I am semi retired on my own money 10 years before I qualify for SS ... and my earned income is derived from ventures I created and own.

Unlike you, I am not a serf beholden to the omnipotent state.

Sev
07-09-2011, 07:15 AM
A song seems appropriate.

Sing it Sam!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3OANBrdEuI

LWW
07-09-2011, 07:39 AM
<u><span style='font-size: 26pt'>BRAVO!</span></u>

eg8r
07-09-2011, 10:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sure there are a number of people now in prison who can do your job, they are not all brainless,</div></div>You are the only one that is brainless. They cost us on average $40k per inmate to keep a roof over their head and food in their bellies. It is high time we get something for it. Put their butts to work.

eg8r

Qtec
07-10-2011, 12:24 AM
She is lying.

What does this headline say?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Racine County inmates to <span style='font-size: 14pt'>do jobs previously done by unionized employees </span></div></div>

watch it (http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-20110629-inmates-cut-grass,0,4799106.story)


..and, the bit you left out,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That list does not include any jobs that have ever been done by county workers, she says.

In addition, county unions recently renegotiated their contracts in January, meaning it is not possible for the "union-only" status of some jobs to be changed, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>at least until the next round of negotiations.</span> Some contracts expire at the end of the year; others are good through 2014.

"Nobody in our jail will be benefitting (from the collective bargaining changes)," Schaffer says in reference to Racine County's plans to expand work options to its inmates. <u>"Not at this time."</u>

Inmates were first released from the Racine County Jail last June to cut the grass, a task that was being neglected by county workers because of budget cuts.

Teamsters Local 43, a union representing seasonal county workers, challenged the expansion of inmate jobs in court. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>The union argued that <u>allowing inmates to do union-only jobs </u>was a violation of its contract with Racine County.</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The judge sided with the union.</span>

Read more: http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/go...l#ixzz1RgFZXpqj (http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/capitol-report/article_abc24a50-a362-11e0-bef3-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1RgFZXpqj)
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Can you see the lie?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That list <span style="color: #990000"><u>does not include any jobs that have ever been done by county workers,</u> </span>she says. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Inmates were first released from the Racine County Jail last June to cut the grass,<span style="color: #990000"> <u>a task that was being neglected by county workers</u> </span>because of budget cuts.


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Get it now?

Q

Qtec
07-10-2011, 01:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sure there are a number of people now in prison who can do your job, they are not all brainless,</div></div>You are the only one that is brainless. They cost us on average $40k per inmate to keep a roof over their head and food in their bellies. It is high time we get something for it. Put their butts to work.

eg8r </div></div>

Blah blah blah...you have no idea what happened here and <u>will</u> happen across the country.

Walker slashed funding and put a lot of people out of work. Now the local govts don't have enough workers to fulfil their obligations, like cutting the grass.
There are<u> millions out of work</u>, there is a job to be done - that people want to do - but you want those jobs to go convicts!
How is that going to get people back to work and help the economy?


Q

LWW
07-10-2011, 03:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">She is lying.

What does this headline say?

Q </div></div>

That says it all ... you love to be pimped by headlines, and never bother to read your own link.

If you had, you would know:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some unions who didn't have a contract in place, lost some of their power as Governor Walker's collective bargaining changes begin to take effect. In Racine County, it means inmates doing some of the work unions had previously bargained for.

Last June, the county took Racine inmates out of their jail cells and put them behind lawn movers. They were cutting the grass in areas that the county executive says were neglected, due to budget cuts. Local unions filed a grievance saying work like that should be done by union members. </div></div>

Do you know what that means? It means the jobs were never done by union employees, only that the union wanted the work done by union employees which would mean more union employees.

No matter how low the bar is set, you can never clear it.

eg8r
07-11-2011, 09:56 AM
Well, since there is no buget to pay high priced government workers to cut the grass I think it makes total sense utilizing the free labor of our prisons. Why does common sense escape you at every pass?

eg8r

cushioncrawler
07-11-2011, 06:01 PM
Am i missing something obvious here?????????????

The unions need to do some lateral thinking. Why not attack and damage the john deere mowers. Then give themselves up and go to jail. Next day they would be driving the john deeres again. Simple.

Hmmmmmmmmm -- which State will be the 1st to uze prizoners to do police work????????
I bet a pedophile kan smell a pedophile.
mac.

LWW
07-12-2011, 04:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Am i missing something obvious here?????????????

The unions need to do some lateral thinking. Why not attack and damage the john deere mowers. Then give themselves up and go to jail. Next day they would be driving the john deeres again. Simple.
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Mac ... that's brilliant.

Qtec
07-12-2011, 04:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The unions need to do some lateral thinking. Why not attack and damage the john deere mowers. Then give themselves up and go to jail. Next day they would be driving the john deeres again. Simple. </div></div>

I see a couple of problems.

1. They would not be able to work with the john deere mowers because <u>they damaged them the day before</u>.

2. When not mowing, <u>they would be in jail</u>.

Good try tho.

Q

cushioncrawler
07-12-2011, 05:35 AM
Not a problem. I busted the black plastik earth-clearance wheel/roller on my JD zero turn mower a few months back. I woz thinking of ways to heat weld the wheel. In the meantime madSherie went to the local JD agent and got a new wheel for $7, plus a spare. What a gal. The best parole officer i ever had. JD are the best. Love the yellow seat.
mac.

eg8r
07-12-2011, 03:44 PM
We already use prisoners to do police work in the software/technology realm. The people who get busted for hacking get great security jobs when their jail time is up.

eg8r

eg8r
07-12-2011, 03:46 PM
Yes, they might be in jail but they will have everythign they have been fighting for...

1)Gauranteed job
2)Great benefits
3)Health Insurance

eg8r