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llotter
07-11-2011, 04:19 PM
It doesn't really come as a surprise but it is still interesting to see in print:

Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasnít elected
a Republican mayor since 1961;

Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasnít elected one since 1954;

Cincinnati, OH (3rd)Ö since 1984;

Cleveland, OH (4th)Ö since 1989;

Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

St. Louis, MO (6th)Ö. since 1949;

El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

Milwaukee, WI (8th)Ö since 1908;

Philadelphia, PA (9th)Ö since 1952;

Newark, NJ (10th)Ö since 1907.

LWW
07-12-2011, 04:30 AM
Why would anyone be surprised by that?

Sev
07-12-2011, 06:56 AM
No New Orleans???

Soflasnapper
07-12-2011, 04:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It doesn't really come as a surprise but it is still interesting to see in print:

Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasnít elected
a Republican mayor since 1961;

Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasnít elected one since 1954;

Cincinnati, OH (3rd)Ö since 1984;

Cleveland, OH (4th)Ö since 1989;

Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

St. Louis, MO (6th)Ö. since 1949;

El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

Milwaukee, WI (8th)Ö since 1908;

Philadelphia, PA (9th)Ö since 1952;

Newark, NJ (10th)Ö since 1907. </div></div>

I checked one history, and this one was stated accurately (for St. Louis).

I suppose the rest may be accurate, although the accuracy is suspect, when the freerepublic site you got this from 'quotes' the well-known to be inaccurate quote from Lincoln, who never said it whatsoever:

Abraham Lincoln:

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.

You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."

llotter
07-12-2011, 04:31 PM
Though I do like Free Fepublic, most all of there topics reference some other source. About all they do is bring various sources together for people of a conservative bent. Actually, I didn't get it from there but apparently from their source.

Soflasnapper
07-13-2011, 12:53 PM
Any idea how a list of the richest cities in America would show their partisan breakdown as to mayoral office?

If the 10 richest cities also had a long string of Dem mayors, would you attribute it to the partisan nature of the mayors, or some other reason?

eg8r
07-13-2011, 12:59 PM
I would call it "evening out the odds". /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

LWW
07-13-2011, 03:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any idea how a list of the richest cities in America would show their partisan breakdown as to mayoral office?

If the 10 richest cities also had a long string of Dem mayors, would you attribute it to the partisan nature of the mayors, or some other reason? </div></div>

They don't, so what's your point?

eg8r
07-13-2011, 03:13 PM
Do you have the list and the info behind the numbers? This would be interesting to see considering how stable the bottom performers have been.

eg8r

LWW
07-13-2011, 03:27 PM
Well, the RICHEST (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rancho_Santa_Fe,_California) city in America is hardcore republican.

Soflasnapper
07-13-2011, 04:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, the RICHEST (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rancho_Santa_Fe,_California) city in America is hardcore republican. </div></div>

Hardcore? Your link shows Charlie Cook rating it at just R+3, meaning slightly more likely to vote Republican in (recent) presidential elections than the national average. A bit more, not rabidly more. Is that really hardcore republican?

llotter
07-13-2011, 05:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any idea how a list of the richest cities in America would show their partisan breakdown as to mayoral office?

If the 10 richest cities also had a long string of Dem mayors, would you attribute it to the partisan nature of the mayors, or some other reason? </div></div>

It may well be that some or many 'rich' cities have Democrat mayors but the evidence shows that if they are ideologically left, the burden on those cities are heavy and make them less competitive. What usually happens is the the voters salvage their situation by putting some conservatives in office periodically to get things back on track. Unfortunately, on some occasions entire states fall into the grasp of the statists and implement policies that are so destructive that occasional conservatives are simply not enough. The exceptions to the above are cities or states that are center of some economic activity, either natural or traditional, and can support high levels of spending and avoid, at least for an extended period of time, the bad consequences.

Sev
07-13-2011, 05:38 PM
Like CA until recently.
The burden on businesses and the individual is causing an exodus.

hondo
07-14-2011, 06:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would anyone be surprised by that? </div></div>

I agree with you 100%.
The rich are going to elect Republicans.

hondo
07-14-2011, 06:20 AM
[quote=LWW]Well, the RICHEST (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rancho_Santa_Fe,_California) city in America is hardcore republican. [/quote

Why would anyo9ne be surprised by that?

llotter
07-14-2011, 06:33 AM
spreading the wealth around means spreading the poverty around so why would any sane voter cast his ballot for more poverty.

LWW
07-14-2011, 06:36 AM
It appears that the English Teacher of the Year has been to the still early today.

llotter
07-14-2011, 06:52 AM
Oh, now I remember, liberals aren't sane.

hondo
07-14-2011, 07:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It appears that the English Teacher of the Year has been to the still early today. </div></div>

Poor DL, reduced to one line insults.
All bluff, no substance.

Sev
07-14-2011, 07:51 AM
You have a still???

llotter
07-14-2011, 08:40 AM
Liberals don't have to be drunk to say really dumb things, it just comes to them naturally.

LWW
07-14-2011, 09:06 AM
Notice how proud aitch was that democrook leadership cause widespread poverty while non democrook leadership resulted in abundant wealth.

llotter
07-14-2011, 10:06 AM
The last laugh however, will be his. As the majority are now wards of the state, the Democrats have a hold on power that is likely to outlast the Tea Party Rebellion. Now that's something to be proud of.

Soflasnapper
07-14-2011, 10:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Liberals don't have to be drunk to say really dumb things, it just comes to them naturally. </div></div>

How dumb would it be to claim correlation must be causation? An elementary error most learn isn't true at a young age.

It may be that you never claimed causation, and only remarked on the correlation. However, if you are not implying causation, then this is simply an ironic coincidence, meaning there is no real point to your post other than as a droll aside.

LWW
07-14-2011, 11:13 AM
Translated ... just because it's true doesn't mean that it's true.

llotter
07-14-2011, 12:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Liberals don't have to be drunk to say really dumb things, it just comes to them naturally. </div></div>

How dumb would it be to claim correlation must be causation? An elementary error most learn isn't true at a young age.

It may be that you never claimed causation, and only remarked on the correlation. However, if you are not implying causation, then this is simply an ironic coincidence, meaning there is no real point to your post other than as a droll aside.

</div></div>

If you were drinking, you'd have an excuse for that post but I suspect it comes naturally.

hondo
07-14-2011, 03:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have a still??? </div></div>

I have the Bill Anderson record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itoElM7qAdc

hondo
07-14-2011, 03:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Liberals don't have to be drunk to say really dumb things, it just comes to them naturally. </div></div>

How dumb would it be to claim correlation must be causation? An elementary error most learn isn't true at a young age.

It may be that you never claimed causation, and only remarked on the correlation. However, if you are not implying causation, then this is simply an ironic coincidence, meaning there is no real point to your post other than as a droll aside.

</div></div>

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

hondo
07-14-2011, 03:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Notice how proud aitch was that democrook leadership cause widespread poverty while non democrook leadership resulted in abundant wealth. </div></div>

You obviously have no idea what I notice.

Sev
07-14-2011, 04:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have a still??? </div></div>

I have the Bill Anderson record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itoElM7qAdc </div></div>

A collectors piece to be sure. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

Soflasnapper
07-14-2011, 04:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Translated ... just because it's true doesn't mean that it's true. </div></div>

Going with true, here, Bob.

Which isn't the question. The question is what it means, and as to causation, you have the chicken/egg issue.

Soflasnapper
07-14-2011, 04:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Liberals don't have to be drunk to say really dumb things, it just comes to them naturally. </div></div>

How dumb would it be to claim correlation must be causation? An elementary error most learn isn't true at a young age.

It may be that you never claimed causation, and only remarked on the correlation. However, if you are not implying causation, then this is simply an ironic coincidence, meaning there is no real point to your post other than as a droll aside.

</div></div>

If you were drinking, you'd have an excuse for that post but I suspect it comes naturally. </div></div>

Right, I hold back drinking until evening hours, normally.

Just as presidents cannot exactly control the economy, governors have less power, and mayors, less still.

Cities that have seen the shuttering of aging plants, as in the entire Rust Belt, have a hard time with unemployment. Cities with high unemployment look to Democrats for a more friendly policy prescription to aid the poor and the unemployed.

So, as I mentioned above, there is a chicken/egg issue here. You've simply proclaimed (or implied I guess) that we KNOW Democratic mayors CAUSE poverty and unemployment. I suggest that, GIVEN high poverty and unemployment, the people then turn to Democratic mayors.

Which is true? Do you know, or just suspect?

LWW
07-14-2011, 05:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cities that have seen the shuttering of aging plants, as in the entire Rust Belt, have a hard time with unemployment.</div></div>

Why?

What leads to it?

A perfect example is the US auto industry ... which has been thriving for decades.

The places hurting are UAW plants in heavy democrook ran areas.

The anti business attitude in this area has led to all of the GM plants locally being closed as well as running NCR out of town.

That being said, HONDA is thriving just north of Dayton and TOYOTA to the south.

It ain't rocket science ... but the first thing you have to do as a community is swear off the poison.

LWW
07-14-2011, 06:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, as I mentioned above, there is a chicken/egg issue here.</div></div>

Absolutely ... and what comes first is an anti business regime, usually followed by rampant corruption, class warfare, and cronyism.

It always ends with a prosperous community being reduced to being wards of the state.