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llotter
07-11-2011, 04:51 PM
The Moron: "I do not want, and I will not accept a deal in which I am asked to do nothing. In fact, I am able to keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in additional income that I don't need, while, uh, a parent out there who is struggling to figure out how to send their kid to college suddenly finds, uh, that they've got a couple thousand dollars less in grants or student loans. That's what the revenue debate is about." -Barack Obama, July 11, 2011

Marx: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

cushioncrawler
07-11-2011, 06:12 PM
03 July 2011
What the Bible says about the Republican Primary

It should be easy for Republicans to select a candidate for president.

Just let God do it for them.

The only problem with that is this: God has already endorsed several, if not all, of the candidates.

Fortunately, the Bible has a foolproof procedure guaranteed to work even when God can't make up his own mind. It's called a lottery.

That's how God selected the first king of Israel. Here's how it worked.

God told the people to present themselves to him by tribe and clan ("thousands").

Samuel called the people together unto the LORD ... And said unto the children of Israel, Thus saith the LORD ... present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands. 1 Samuel 10:17-19
Then a tribe was selected by lot. (Benjamin had the lucky number.)

And when Samuel had caused all the tribes of Israel to come near, the tribe of Benjamin was taken. 1 Samuel 10:20
Next, a clan was selected. (Matri)

When he had caused the tribe of Benjamin to come near by their families, the family of Matri was taken. 1 Samuel 10:21a
And the king was selected from the clan. (Saul)

And Saul the son of Kish was taken. 1 Samuel 10:21b
But Shucks! When they looked, they couldn't find him.

When they sought him, he could not be found. 1 Samuel 10:21c
So they asked God what to do and God said that Saul was hiding in the stuff.

Therefore they enquired of the LORD further, if the man should yet come thither. And the LORD answered, Behold he hath hid himself among the stuff. 1 Samuel 10:22
And sure enough, they found Saul hiding in the stuff. He was hard to miss since he stood head and shoulders above everyone in Israel. (He was also the best-looking.)

And they ran and fetched him thence: and when he stood among the people, he was higher than any of the people from his shoulders and upward. 1 Samuel 10:23
It all worked out great in the end. God chose the best (tallest, best-looking) candidate and all the people shouted, "God save the king."

And Samuel said to all the people, See ye him whom the LORD hath chosen, that there is none like him among all the people? And all the people shouted, and said, God save the king. 1 Samuel 10:24
Well, except for a few "children of Belial" (RINOs) who complained about it a bit.

But the children of Belial said, How shall this man save us? And they despised him. 1 Samuel 10:27
So there you have it. No need for expensive campaigns, debates, caucuses, straw polls, primaries, or nominating conventions. God's party should select its candidate God's way: by lottery. (Either that or just choose the tallest, best looking candidate. It should work out the same.)

(By the way, this isn't the only time a lottery was used in the Bible to select an important candidate. Matthias was selected by lottery to replace Judas, who died by spilling his guts out and hanging himself.)

Posted by Steve Wells at 7/03/2011 04:06:00 PM
Labels: 1 Samuel, Acts, Bible, Judas, Matthias, politics, Saul, What the Bible says about ...
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2011/07/what-bible-says-about-republican.html

cushioncrawler
07-11-2011, 06:14 PM
29 June 2011
What the Bible says about Liberals (and why Todd Akin should become one)

Congressmen Todd Akin (R-MO) recently said this about liberals:

At the heart of liberalism really is a hatred for God.
So I thought I'd check to see what the Bible says about them. Here's what I found.

God makes liberals fat.
The liberal soul shall be made fat. -- Proverbs 11:25

And since being fat is is sure sign of righteousness in the eyes of God, liberals are righteous people.
The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree ... they shall be fat and flourishing. -- Psalm 92:12-14

Liberals are not lying, churlish, vile, villainous hypocrites that steal from the poor and hungry. (Guess who that would be.)
The vile person shall be no more called liberal ... For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy ... to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail. The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words. -- Isaiah 32:5-7

Liberals distribute wealth from the rich to the poor.
For your liberal distribution ... unto all men ... Thanks be unto God. -- 2 Corinthians 9:13-15

And lastly, liberals devise and stand for liberal things.
The liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand. -- Isaiah 32:8
God loves liberals. Todd Akin should become one. Then God would love him, too.

Posted by Steve Wells at 6/29/2011 08:27:00 AM
Labels: Bible, Liberals, politics, Todd Akin, What the Bible says about ...

cushioncrawler
07-11-2011, 06:20 PM
"ability" occurs 7 times in 7 verses in the KJV

Lev 27:8 But if he be poorer 4134 than thy estimation 6187, then he shall present 5975 himself before 6440 the priest 3548, and the priest 3548 shall value 6186 him; according to 6310 his ability 3027 5381 that vowed 5087 shall the priest 3548 value 6186 him.

Ezr 2:69 They gave 5414 after their ability 3581 unto the treasure 214 of the work 4399 threescore 8337 7239 and one thousand 505 drams 1871 of gold 2091, and five 2568 thousand 505 pound 4488 of silver 3701, and one hundred 3967 priests 3548' garments 3801.

Neh 5:8 And I said 559 unto them, We after our ability 1767 have redeemed 7069 our brethren 251 the Jews 3064, which were sold 4376 unto the heathen 1471; and will ye even sell 4376 your brethren 251? or shall they be sold 4376 unto us? Then held they their peace 2790, and found 4672 nothing 1697 [to answer].

Dan 1:4 Children 3206 in whom [was] no blemish 3971 3971, but well 2896 favoured 4758, and skilful 7919 in all wisdom 2451, and cunning 3045 in knowledge 1847, and understanding 995 science 4093, and such as [had] ability 3581 in them to stand 5975 in the king's 4428 palace 1964, and whom they might teach 3925 the learning 5612 and the tongue 3956 of the Chaldeans 3778.

Mat 25:15 And 2532 unto one 3739 3303 he gave 1325 five 4002 talents 5007, 1161 to another 3739 two 1417, and 1161 to another 3739 one 1520; to every man 1538 according 2596 to his several 2398 ability 1411; and 2532 straightway 2112 took his journey 589.

Act 11:29 Then 1161 the disciples 3101, every 1538 man 846 according to 2531 his ability 2141 5100, determined 3724 to send 3992 relief 1248 unto 1519 the brethren 80 which dwelt 2730 in 1722 Judaea 2449:

1Pe 4:11 If any man 1536 speak 2980, [let him speak] as 5613 the oracles 3051 of God 2316; if any man 1536 minister 1247, [let him do it] as 5613 of 1537 the ability 2479 which 3739 God 2316 giveth 5524: that 2443 God 2316 in 1722 all things 3956 may be glorified 1392 through 1223 Jesus 2424 Christ 5547, to whom 3739 be 2076 praise 1391 and 2532 dominion 2904 for 1519 ever 165 and ever 165.
Amen 281.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=ability&t=KJV

llotter
07-11-2011, 06:44 PM
not so nice of you to fill up my thread with a lot of words not relevant to the subject... i guess i'll have to start another thread

cushioncrawler
07-11-2011, 08:01 PM
Surely what the The Holey Bible sez about ability and giving iz relevant.
mac.

cushioncrawler
07-11-2011, 08:17 PM
Jesus Marx (5 May 30BC 14 March 4AD) was a Jewish philosopher, sociologist, economic historian, journalist, and revolutionary socialist Who developed the socio-political theory of Christianity. His ideas have since played a significant role in the development of social science and the socialist political movement. He published various books after His lifetime, with the most notable being The Holey Bible (105 -- 1748) co-written with nobody that knew him.[2]
mac.

LWW
07-12-2011, 04:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Moron: "I do not want, and I will not accept a deal in which I am asked to do nothing. In fact, I am able to keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in additional income that I don't need, while, uh, a parent out there who is struggling to figure out how to send their kid to college suddenly finds, uh, that they've got a couple thousand dollars less in grants or student loans. That's what the revenue debate is about." -Barack Obama, July 11, 2011

Marx: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" </div></div>

My question to him would be ... Mr President, if that statement i s true, why do you allow your own brother to live in a shack on less than $1.00 per month?
What a hypocrite! (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html)

llotter
07-12-2011, 06:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Surely what the The Holey Bible sez about ability and giving iz relevant.
mac. </div></div>

Taxing and wealth transfer is not about 'giving', it is about 'taking'

Sev
07-12-2011, 06:53 AM
Its a shame people believe that the government owns their income rather than themselves.

llotter
07-12-2011, 08:42 AM
we know that those libs changed our motto from 'life, liberty and property' to 'life, liberty and happiness'

Soflasnapper
07-12-2011, 03:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Surely what the The Holey Bible sez about ability and giving iz relevant.
mac. </div></div>

Taxing and wealth transfer is not about 'giving', it is about 'taking' </div></div>

Only if you don't look at the contract, and are therefore surprised at its terms.

Our 'social contract' has been laid down for some hundreds of years. It's always involved taxing the people, and the people paying the taxes, from the beginning.

If that is not to your liking, you are free to look for a nation or society where there is not such an arrangement. If one exists.

llotter
07-12-2011, 04:43 PM
You are getting sillier by the day but it isn't the 'laughing silly', it's the 'stupid silly'.

eg8r
07-12-2011, 07:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It's always involved taxing the people, and the people paying the taxes, from the beginning.

</div></div>However it has never been about consistently going back to the well to get more when you have overspent what you were already bringing in. It was also never to be used as handout to secure votes.

eg8r

LWW
07-13-2011, 02:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If that is not to your liking, you are free to look for a nation or society where there is not such an arrangement. If one exists. </div></div>

Or changing this one.

LWW
07-13-2011, 02:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our 'social contract' has been laid down for some hundreds of years. It's always involved taxing the people, and the people paying the taxes, from the beginning.</div></div>

Blatantly false.

On the nation's founding, it was supported almost entirely on import tariffs.

The federal income tax wasn't constitutional until the 20th century.

The welfare state didn't really begin until the 1930's.

The nanny state didn't really begin until the 1960's.

LWW
07-13-2011, 02:53 AM
So where is your compassion for Obama's brother?

LWW
07-13-2011, 02:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are getting sillier by the day but it isn't the 'laughing silly', it's the 'stupid silly'. </div></div>

In his defense, he's following the talking points given to him.

Qtec
07-13-2011, 05:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">However it has never been about consistently going back to the well to get more when you have overspent what you were already bringing in </div></div>

When was the last time the debt limit was not raised?


Q...reality check!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> George Bush Raised the Debt Ceiling Nine Times That included an Entitlement and Bailout During His Presidency With Republican Support</div></div>

eg8r
07-13-2011, 05:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When was the last time the debt limit was not raised?
</div></div>So you have nothing intelligent to say to my post and decide to talk about something else. Doing the same as we always have is what got us in this mess. It is time to do something different. REAL CHANGE that is painful and felt by everyone.

Going back to the well refers to raising taxes NOT raising the debt ceiling. What else are you having trouble comprehending?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-13-2011, 06:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Surely what the The Holey Bible sez about ability and giving iz relevant.
mac. </div></div>

Taxing and wealth transfer is not about 'giving', it is about 'taking' </div></div>

That is exactly what we lefties were telling you righties consistantly throughout the Bush Administration's grand theft of our revenues, as they took froom the Middle Class to give more and more to the wealthy, for eight years.

Repiglicans are destroying our reputation. They are intentionally destroying our recovery. They told you their main goal was to make the President a one term president. is that how you think our representatives should behave, refuse to compromise in order to pay our debts, thereby running up our interest rates?


Calling the president a communist doesn't wipe away the fact that it is a FACT that the Bush tax cuts favored the wealthy, and job creation did not happen.

It is a FACT that cutting taxes during war time, was unheard of, before Bush and the blank check Repiglican Congress.

It is a fact, that George Bush annd the Repiglican Blank Check Congress, borrowed and ran up more debts than any administration in our history.

It is a FACT, that we ended up in thhe worst mess after Bush and the Blank Check Repiglicans, than we have ever faced, given that he left two unfinished wars behind him, with no resulting advantages to our country, whatsoever!

You have a lot of nerve, calling President Obama, a commie, when he is trying to end Bush/Repiglican socialism for the rich, at the expense of all the rest.

But then, you admire murderers, so what else can we expect from a rightie, given that righties aim to dictate to all others in America, according to their F-ed up beliefs.


This repiglican Congress is now being called the Do Nothing Congress. Repiglicans have wasted decades, rendering America impotent to grab the challenges we face in health care, pollution, renewable fuels, stem cell research, you name it, REpiglican block it.

The mere fact that a nutjob like Bachmann, is your party's favored candidate, a woman who has been using our tax dollars for her personal gain, by owning and operating a business based on doing a con job on their customers, selling a lie, for profit, is proof enough for me that you righties are not playing with a full deck.

If Bachmann's husband isn't gay, I'll eat my hat!

Wake up righties, you made this mess, and now you want to distract from your own mess, your own FAILED Repiglican policies, by using outrageious rhetoric like the title of this thread.

You have no conscience, but we knew that when you praised a cowardly murderer on this site for years. Nothing has changed, you are still praising cowardly murderers, the killers of our recovery, the Repiglican obstructionists, the Do Nothing Repiglican Congress, the redistributors of wealth, the fascists corporate pigs who live here, and hold no patriotism, as they sit on their wealth, hide it off shore, and outsource our jobs, while you idiotic righties seek to give them more of your tax dollars.

Pure insanity!

G.

Sev
07-13-2011, 07:03 AM
One would hope with some off the posts would not be so rabid.

Nope.

eg8r
07-13-2011, 07:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a FACT that cutting taxes during war time, was unheard of, before Bush and the blank check Repiglican Congress.
</div></div>So then that is your "out" for Obama cutting taxes during war time? It was no longer unheard of?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a fact, that George Bush annd the Repiglican Blank Check Congress, borrowed and ran up more debts than any administration in our history.
</div></div>Again, Obama is fast on his heels.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a FACT, that we ended up in thhe worst mess after Bush and the Blank Check Repiglicans, than we have ever faced, given that he left two unfinished wars behind him, with no resulting advantages to our country, whatsoever!
</div></div>No comment on Obama from me here, but which two wars are you referring to? I only remember the War on Terror.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have a lot of nerve, calling President Obama, a commie, when he is trying to end Bush/Repiglican socialism for the rich, at the expense of all the rest.
</div></div>Weird, it seems everyone that paid taxes took advantage of those tax cuts. Where were you when Obama extended that socialist practice during his own cuts? As far as being a commie, his last speech said it all.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The mere fact that a nutjob like Bachmann, is your party's favored candidate,</div></div>I haven't heard this at all but it doesn't really matter since the other front runner can't get anyone to ignore the fact that he was pro socialist healthcare in the past.

Why are you so caught up with people being gay? You act like a closet homophobe. When will you stand up to what you say and leave private matters private?

If you disagree Obama has socialist intentions then YOU need to wake up.


eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-13-2011, 08:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a FACT that cutting taxes during war time, was unheard of, before Bush and the blank check Repiglican Congress.
</div></div>So then that is your "out" for Obama cutting taxes during war time? It was no longer unheard of?

<span style="color: #990000">Again, you prove that you have no grasp on the truth. Repiglicans threatened to cut unemployment payments, hence, they had the President over a barrel, since he did not want to cut the payments for the unemployed. Stop laying the Repiglican policies, at the President's feet. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a fact, that George Bush and the Repiglican Blank Check Congress, borrowed and ran up more debts than any administration in our history.
</div></div>Again, Obama is fast on his heels.

<span style="color: #990000">No, he isn't. The TARP, was Bush. If you add up spending and borrowing, Bush is way, way ahead of Obama, and it isn't fair to compare the two , annyway. Each had different conditions prevailing.

Obama, did not inherit a budget surplus, Ed, he inherited a collapsed gglobal economy, two on-going wars, neither of which were paid for, and all of the debts and deficits. ad unpaid for tax spending programs, and pharmaceutical spending, also unpaid for, that were left to him by Bush, and the blank check Repiglican Congress, who broke the spending and borrowing records of all time, most of our deficits and unpaid for spending, Far, Far, MORE, belong to the Repiglicans, and BUSH! </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a FACT, that we ended up in the worst mess after Bush and the Blank Check Repiglicans, than we have ever faced, given that he left two unfinished wars behind him, with no resulting advantages to our country, whatsoever!
</div></div>No comment on Obama from me here, but which two wars are you referring to? I only remember the War on Terror.

The war in Iraq, had nothing at all to do with terrorism. There were NO TERRORISTS in Iraq, when Bush invaded Iraq. He bungled getting bin Laden, and went to war with the wrong country. Iraq, had nothing to do with 9/11.

"My understanding is that the war in Iraq, is about oil"

Alan Greenspan....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have a lot of nerve, calling President Obama, a commie, when he is trying to end Bush/Repiglican socialism for the rich, at the expense of all the rest.
</div></div>Weird, it seems everyone that paid taxes took advantage of those tax cuts.

<span style="color: #990000">Irrelevent, Ed, it is the broad result of those tax cuts that is the issue. The broad result, was unprecedented debts! Job losses, annd a collapsed economy. You are more than willing to overlook all of that, for the party line.</span>


Where were you when Obama extended that socialist practice during his own cuts?

<span style="color: #660000">Repiglicans threatened to stop paying unemployment payments. It was THEIR policy to extend the Bush Tax Cuts for the WEALTHY FASCISTS PIGS, not the president's policy.

The president did not want to extend them, nor did the Democatics. Stop twisting reality around, Ed.

Additionally, there was concern that UNDER THE CONDITIONS PREVAILING, those conditions being Bush's collapsed economy, it might have been risky, however, Dems were against the additionaly spending, caused by the Bush Tax cuts, which, actually amount to additional spending. Hence, Repiglicans are the big spenders, STILL.... who insist on continuing the Bush Tax, spending cuts, which we all know, did not produce jobs!</span>


As far as being a commie, his last speech said it all.


<span style="color: #990000">NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, in his last speech, indicates communism. Just another radical RW BS LIE. That's what they do best, you know, slander people, and rewrite the dictionary. </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The mere fact that a nutjob like Bachmann, is your party's favored candidate,</div></div>I haven't heard this at all but it doesn't really matter since the other front runner can't get anyone to ignore the fact that he was pro socialist healthcare in the past.


Why are you so caught up with people being gay?


<span style="color: #990000">I'm not. I'm caught up with hypocritical Gay Repiglicans, who hide in the closet, while they bash gay people, even though, they themselves, ARE GAY. </span>


You act like a closet homophobe.

<span style="color: #990000">More of your lies and twisting. I have a long history of defending Gay Rights, and you know it.

It is the religious right, which demonizes Gay People, and the REpiglicans, not the left, and not me!

I am pointing out thhe hypocristy of the religious right, and all of the Repiglicans, with so many Gays in their group, hiding in the closet. </span>


When will you stand up to what you say and leave private matters private?


<span style="color: #990000">
When will you acknowledge the hypocrisy of the Repigloicans, who vote against Gay Rights, while hiding in the closet????

Stating that our political interests would be better served if our representative's and president's private lives, between themselves and their wives, remained private, is not the same thing as saying that a hypocrite, who votes one way, and lives another way, shouldn't be exposed for being the hypocrite that he is.

Bill Clinton, for example, didn't run on Family Values, and court the religious right. That was Bush, who was a liar, and a cheater. Reagan, who was a divorced, fascist, who mae his money selling cigarettes to the public, and turned in innocent Americans, to McCarthy, to escape being scrutinized himself, for his own commie past.</span>

If you disagree Obama has socialist intentions then YOU need to wake up.


eg8r </div></div>

<span style="color: #990000">No, Ed, YOU need to learn the definition of socialism. Maybe then, you will be informed enough to have a intelligent debate on the subject. Maybe then you will understand that the Affordable Health Cae ACt, was NOT Socialism.

As things stand, you prove yourself to be as ignorant and unAmerican as Bachmann, Palin, Cheney, Rove, Rand Paul, Grover Norquest, Glen Beck, Rush Limpballs, and the rest of the chicken **** liars on the right.

G. </span>

eg8r
07-13-2011, 11:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More of your lies and twisting. I have a long history of defending Gay Rights, and you know it.
</div></div>Which is exactly why I used the word "closeted".

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-13-2011, 02:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More of your lies and twisting. I have a long history of defending Gay Rights, and you know it.
</div></div>Which is exactly why I used the word "closeted".

eg8r </div></div>

I see no such word in your post, nor would it make your incorrect statements, any more true.

I only point out hypocrisy of Repiglicans and religious leaders who relentlesly spend their time bashing Gays, and voting against Gay Rights, while hiding their own homosexuality, in the closet.

That does not make me homophobic!

G.

eg8r
07-13-2011, 03:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see no such word in your post, nor would it make your incorrect statements, any more true.
</div></div>Maybe you should open your eyes and yes it greatly explains you actions.

eg8r &lt;~~~wondering if gayle is anal enough to find a difference with "closet" and "closeted"