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Soflasnapper
07-17-2011, 09:16 PM
Senator Rand Paul sent a letter to Robert Mueller with some questions he would appreciate a response to.

"Why did FBI supervisors and lawyers block the search warrant sought by field
agents in Minnesota who believed that Zacarias Moussaoui was a terrorist who
might use a commercial airplane as a weapon in the weeks before September
11th? Why did the so--called "Phoenix memo," written by FBI agent Kenneth
Williams in July of 2001, which warned of an unusual number of young Arab men
seeking flight training in the U.S., never reach the highest levels of the FBI? Was
anyone ever disciplined, fired, or their career ended for these errors in judgment?"

Here's a link to Senator Rand Paul's letter:
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/216473-rand-paul-letter-to-f-b-i-...

Actual link, from the CLOUD! which is cool (http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/216473-rand-paul-letter-to-f-b-i-director-robert-mueller.html)

I've always had a soft spot for the Libertarians, and here, one of them proves their worth to the country.

LWW
07-18-2011, 02:34 AM
Good letter.

Did you actually read it and delete parts the left wants no part of, or were you simply spoon fed a talking point?

Points 6 and 7 were especially interesting ... and I'm curious to here the regime's reply.

Qtec
07-18-2011, 03:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6. The attached document entitled, "Resource Guide: <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Violence Against Reproductive Health Care Providers</span>," </div></div>

read (http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/07/11/how_is_anti_abortion_violence_not_terrorism_.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm unclear on why the word <u>"terrorism"</u> continues to be taboo in articles such as this one by A.G. Sulzberger in the New York Times. The article is a profile of Dr. Mila Means, a doctor who has---somewhat incorrectly---been identified as stepping up to fill the hole left by the assassination of Dr. George Tiller by abortion opponent Scott Roeder. "Somewhat incorrectly" because Dr. Means is only going to provide abortions up to 15 weeks, and while that was a large chunk of what Dr. Tiller did, what made him so prominent a figure was that his clinic served women almost no one else could, women whose pregnancies had gone terribly wrong much later in the pregnancy and who needed to have therapeutic abortions. But while the loss of Dr. Tiller is still strongly felt in the world of gynecology, the larger concern with this article and articles like it is the unwillingness to describe domestic terrorism as terrorism.

<span style="color: #000099">The words "terrorism", "terrorist" or even the grating term "terror" never crop up once in this article,</span> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>even though it's a story about a woman facing down threats of domestic terrorism from the same community that produced a man who walked into a church and shot a man in the head in order to stop him from performing legal abortions. </span> <span style='font-size: 17pt'><u>By any reasonable measure, the assassination of Dr. Tiller was an act of domestic terrorism, defined here and pretty much anywhere else as acts of violence committed to intimidate a civilian population or a government into changing policy.</u></span> Both are true in the case of Dr. Tiller's murder. And as Sulzberger makes incredibly clear in this piece, the anti-choice community of Wichita is eager to frame the murder as sending a signal to other providers that they, too, risk their lives if they dare perform abortions in Wichita. There's some official, half-hearted denunciations of Roeder's actual crime, but then those denunciations are framed in this way:

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Troy Newman, the president of Operation Rescue, based in Wichita, said that abortion opponents were committed to blocking another clinic here, and that the level of protest facing anyone who participated in such an efforts [sic] would be “beyond anything anyone could imagine.” He spoke with particular disdain for Dr. Means.

“We will ensure that this community remains abortion free,” he said.</span><span style="color: #990000"> Sounds like a threat.</span>

I'm trying to imagine what would happen if a Muslim terrorist killed a specific target, and a local Muslim group said, "While we don't think he should have shot the target, we're glad the target is dead and hope that anyone else who intends to do the work the target was doing thinks twice about it. If they persist, we will ensure they are unable to continue in this work." Not only would they be called, bare minimum, "terrorist sympathizers," the FBI would be all over them and there would probably be some arrests made in short order. Especially if, as has happened in the case of Dr. Means, the members of the group started showing up at the second target's house, researching and publicizing her movements amongst the group, and sending death threats to the second target. If the government shrugged its shoulders and said there was nothing it could do about this, the country would be in uproar.

<u>But if our radical fundamentalists who embrace violence and threats in order to get their way make sure to call themselves "Christian," I guess all bets are off. </u>
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Q

Qtec
07-18-2011, 03:43 AM
link (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/us/10abortion.html?pagewanted=all)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two years have passed since this city, for decades the volatile epicenter of the national fight over abortion, was shaken by the murder of Dr. George R. Tiller — a controversial figure because of his willingness to perform later-term abortions — by a man who said he wanted to stop the killing of babies.

Since then, abortion rights advocates have hoped that someone would take Dr. Tiller’s place to show that violence is not an effective way to stop abortions. Despite their vows to redouble their commitment, the murder of Dr. Tiller actually scared people away. Opponents, even those who criticized the killing, have noted with some satisfaction that no abortions have been provided here since.

Now a little-known physician has stepped into this tinderbox environment to take the mantle — indeed, the very instruments — of the man many abortion rights advocates regard as a martyr.

But Dr. Means is certainly not the ideological warrior many expected to fill his void. She said her decision to start performing abortions was as much about making money for her struggling practice as about restoring access to a constitutional right.

A second effort to establish an abortion clinic is under way, led by a group of prominent abortion rights advocates. The group has raised money but is still searching for a doctor willing to provide abortions in a city <span style='font-size: 26pt'>where doing so has in recent years required a bulletproof vest and an armored car.</span> </div></div>

Q......pro-life.............. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

LWW
07-18-2011, 05:24 AM
We already knew that you licked the spoon of the regime's "TRUTH" on the issue.

Perhaps you would like to actually read the letter and discuss it as an adult?

Soflasnapper
07-18-2011, 11:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good letter.

Did you actually read it and delete parts the left wants no part of, or were you simply spoon fed a talking point?

Points 6 and 7 were especially interesting ... and I'm curious to here the regime's reply. </div></div>

It's a four-page letter, that vast majority of which I didn't cite, and instead I reproduced what the linker to the actual letter had highlighted, no more, no less. I deleted nothing, and instead supplied a link to the entire text.

Gayle in MD
07-18-2011, 01:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Senator Rand Paul sent a letter to Robert Mueller with some questions he would appreciate a response to.

"Why did FBI supervisors and lawyers block the search warrant sought by field
agents in Minnesota who believed that Zacarias Moussaoui was a terrorist who
might use a commercial airplane as a weapon in the weeks before September
11th? Why did the so--called "Phoenix memo," written by FBI agent Kenneth
Williams in July of 2001, which warned of an unusual number of young Arab men
seeking flight training in the U.S., never reach the highest levels of the FBI? Was
anyone ever disciplined, fired, or their career ended for these errors in judgment?"

Here's a link to Senator Rand Paul's letter:
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/216473-rand-paul-letter-to-f-b-i-...

Actual link, from the CLOUD! which is cool (http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/216473-rand-paul-letter-to-f-b-i-director-robert-mueller.html)

I've always had a soft spot for the Libertarians, and here, one of them proves their worth to the country. </div></div>

Yes, in this case, he did, but on other issues, such as his views on business owners being able to deny service to any ethnic group they don't want to serve, or want to discriminate against, he's just another radical RW nut!

G.

Soflasnapper
07-18-2011, 01:43 PM
As I say, I strongly oppose about 20-25% of the Libertarian platform, whether enunciated by Rand Paul or others.

In full disclosure, I am a past member of the Libertarian Party, out of my 75% to 80% agreement level with several very important and correct policy positions that few if any other parties are willing to assert.

Gayle in MD
07-18-2011, 01:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I say, I strongly oppose about 20-25% of the Libertarian platform, whether enunciated by Rand Paul or others.

In full disclosure, I am a past member of the Libertarian Party, out of my 75% to 80% agreement level with several very important and correct policy positions that few if any other parties are willing to assert. </div></div>

Funny, but when I take those political tests, to see how far right, or left, one is, I always end up more Libertarian than I think I am, lol. I think of myself as a Liberal, but like you, I also embrace some of the Libertarian views.

G.

LWW
07-18-2011, 02:50 PM
So the answer would be no.