View Full Version : Dear Leader Caught Lying ... Again!

07-20-2011, 03:32 AM
THE LIE (http://wizbangblog.com/2011/07/15/where-obamas-80-who-want-tax-increases-came-from/) ... which all good little Obamatrons accepted with neither qualm nor trepidation, as since it spewed from dear leader's lips it was as if it had been brought down from the mountain top inscribed on stone tablets:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama’s bombshell that 80% of Americans favor increasing taxes is blowing up the blogosphere now. Reactions range from “it’s a lie” to “they can’t do math” to Traffic Santa calling the president’s bluff: “I challenge you to introduce legislation raising taxes on 80% of Americans.”

The answer, however, I culled from my years of creating chartjunk. I suspect he’s getting his fungible numbers from this Gallup poll:


The only important number here is the first one, the 20%. The president said, in effect, if you’re not one of the 20% who actually responded you favor tax increases. Thus, 80% (which included people who didn’t answer the question) are for tax increases. While that’s sorta true, it’s about as disingenuous a statistic as I’ve ever heard.

Using the same logic, 96% of American are for spending cuts. </div></div>
MEANWHILE (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes/july_2011/55_oppose_tax_hike_in_debt_ceiling_deal) ... back where the air is thick and intellectual integrity is still valued:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As the Beltway politicians try to figure out how they will raise the debt ceiling and for how long, most voters oppose including tax hikes in the deal.
Just 34% think a tax hike should be included in any legislation to raise the debt ceiling. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 55% disagree and say it should not. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
There is a huge partisan divide on the question. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Democrats want a tax hike in the deal while 82% of Republicans do not. Among those not affiliated with either major political party, 35% favor a tax hike and 51% are opposed. </div></div>

07-20-2011, 10:43 AM
I agree that Obama misstated the facts, knew better, and that this is therefore a lie, stated for political purposes.

Not an Obamatron, just a...

07-20-2011, 10:54 AM
Of course, he might have been referring to something in this compilation of poll results, from earlier in the year:

Americans Support Higher Taxes. Really. (http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/2292/americans-support-higher-taxes-really) by Bruce Bartlett.

Who is Bruce Bartlett? From his bio on that site:

Bartlett’s work is informed by many years in government, including service on the staffs of Congressmen Ron Paul and Jack Kemp and Senator Roger Jepsen; as staff director of the Joint Economic Committee of Congress; senior policy analyst in the Reagan White House; and deputy assistant secretary for economic policy at the Treasury Department during the George H.W. Bush administration.

What do those polls say? Most of them show the support or agreement that taxes must go up at no more than the mid-60% levels, not the 80% level. Look through them yourself. One showed an 80% support figure as well.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A March 2 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 81 percent of people would support a surtax on millionaires to help reduce the budget deficit, and 68 percent would support eliminating the Bush tax cuts for those earning more than $250,000. </div></div>

07-20-2011, 03:50 PM

07-20-2011, 03:50 PM