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Qtec
07-22-2011, 11:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama Takes On GOP; Angrily Defends ‘Working Stiffs’ Who Struggle Everyday

President Obama took to the White House briefing room podium Friday afternoon to take questions regarding the earlier collapse of the debt crisis negotiations between the administration and the GOP. A rather pedestrian press briefing suddenly turned spirited with last question posed by Huffington Post’s Sam Stein, who asked about market reaction on Monday. Mr. Obama seemed passionate, if not…well, pissed, with Speaker Boehner and other GOP leadership for the stalled talks. </div></div>



Finally O shows some spunk.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I remain confident that we will get an extension of the debt limit and not default. I am confident of that. I am less confident at this point that people are willing to step up to the plate and actually deal with the underlying problem of debt and deficits. That requires tough choices. That’s what we were sent here to do. <u>I mean the debt ceiling… that’s a formality, historically its not even been an issue. Its an unpleasant vote, but its been a routine vote that congress does periodically.

It was raise 18 times when Ronald Reagan was president. Ronald Reagan said ‘default is not an option,’ that it would be hugely damaging to the prestige of the United States and we shouldn’t even consider it. So that’s the easy part – we should have done that six months ago.
</u>
The hard part is actually dealing with the underlying debt and deficits. And doing it in a way that’s fair. That’s all the American people are looking for, some fairness. I can’t tell you how many letters and emails I get, including from some Republican voters who say we know that neither party is blameless when it comes to how this debt and deficit developed.

There’s been a lot of blame to spread around, but we sure hope you don’t just balance the budget on the backs of seniors. We sure hope that we aren’t slashing our commitment to make sure that kids can go to college. We sure hope that you aren’t throwing a bunch of poor kids off the medicaid rolls so that can’t get basic preventative services that keep them out of the emergency room. That’s all they are looking for is some fairness.

Now what you are going to hear, I suspect, is well if the senate is prepared to pass the cap cut and balance — the Republican plan — that somehow we could solve this problem that’s serious debt reduction. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Turns out that the plan that Speaker Boehner and were talking about was comparable in terms of deficit reduction.

<u>The difference was that we didn’t put all the burden on the people who were least able to protect themselves,</u> who don’t have lobbyists in this town, who don’t lawyers working on the tax code for them. Working stiffs out there, ordinary folks who are struggling everyday.</span> And they know they are getting a raw deal and they are mad at everybody about it. They are mad at Democrats and they are mad at Republicans because they know that somehow no matter how hard they work they don’t be able to seem to keep up. And what they are looking for is somebody who is willing to look out for them. That’s all they are looking for.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>And for us to not be keeping those in mind every single day when we are up here. <u>For us to be more worried about what some funder says or what some talk radio show host or what some columnist said, or what pledge back when we were trying to run or worried about having a primary fight…for us to be thinking in those terms? Instead of thinking about those folks is inexcusable!</u></span>

I mean the American people are just desperate for folks who are willing to put aside politics for just a minute and try and get some stuff done. So when Norah asked, or when somebody else asked “why was i willing to go a long with a deal that wasn’t optimal from my perspective?” Because even if I didn’t think the deal was perfect, at least it would show tat this place was serious. That we are willing to take on these responsibilities even when its tough. That we’re willing to step up even when the folks who got us elected may disagree.

And at some point, if you want to be a leader, you gotta lead.
</div></div>

Well said Mr President.

Q

ugotda7
07-22-2011, 11:33 PM
Virtually everything he said was less than accurate....so no, it wasn't well said - unless you're D U M M dumb as a box of rocks that is.

Qtec
07-22-2011, 11:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Virtually everything he said was less than accurate....so no, it wasn't well said - unless you're D U M M dumb as a box of rocks that is. </div></div>

Like what?

Q

ugotda7
07-22-2011, 11:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Virtually everything he said was less than accurate....so no, it wasn't well said - unless you're D U M M dumb as a box of rocks that is. </div></div>

Like what?

Q </div></div>

Like virtually everything.

Stretch
07-23-2011, 12:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Virtually everything he said was less than accurate....so no, it wasn't well said - unless you're D U M M dumb as a box of rocks that is. </div></div>

Like what?

Q </div></div>

Like virtually everything. </div></div>

Awsome debate. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif St.

Qtec
07-23-2011, 02:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Awsome debate. St. </div></div>

Spot on Stretch.

When you say everything is wrong but you can't name one specific thing.?????????????????

Says a lot.

Q

llotter
07-23-2011, 03:31 AM
When you start from a faulty premise it makes everything that follows faulty. The Left, personified by The Pathetic Moron in the WH, always starts with the same faulty premise and goes downhill from there.


faulty premises: 1.) America is based on class warfare between the haves and the have-nots, the proletariat and the bourgeois, the working stiffs and the wealthy.

2.) That in the name of 'fairness', it is up to the government to redistribute the wealth based on the Marxist model of 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need'.

3.) There can be no better arbiter of fairness than the Messiah and Savior himself, The Moron.

This is the Left and everything that flows from their flawed thinking is flawed.

LWW
07-23-2011, 03:56 AM
If it's a routine vote ... why did he vote against it as a US senator?

LWW
07-23-2011, 03:58 AM
That is an insult to rocks residing in boxes.

LWW
07-23-2011, 03:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Awsome debate. St. </div></div>

Spot on Stretch.

When you say everything is wrong but you can't name one specific thing.?????????????????

Says a lot.

Q </div></div>

When everything is wrong, that means it isn't one specific thing.

Gayle in MD
07-23-2011, 07:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you start from a faulty premise it makes everything that follows faulty. The Left, personified by The Pathetic Moron in the WH, always starts with the same faulty premise and goes downhill from there.


faulty premises: 1.) America is based on class warfare between the haves and the have-nots, the proletariat and the bourgeois, the working stiffs and the wealthy.

<span style="color: #990000">LMAO! Eight years of Repiglicans taking from all of us so they can spend billions of our tax dollars to give them away to the multi billionaires, on the absurd premise that those same billionaires who steal from us, are going to create jobs!!!!

NOT! Nothing trickled down! Americans continued to lose wages, AND Lose opportunities, while the WEALTHY outsourced our jobs, and FAILED to regulate pigs on Wall Street, while they were robing alll of us on Wall Street, in the Financial Sector, banking, insurance, hedge funders, the entire Ratings industry, as they SPENT our tax dollars on BIG oil, big pharma, etc, while they outsourced Americans jobs, to slave labor around the world, and gouged all of us at every opportunity. </span>

2.) That in the name of 'fairness', it is up to the government to redistribute the wealth based on the Marxist model of 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need'.


<span style="color: #990000"> The Repiglican's ONLY redistribute wealth to the wealthhy. Everyone else in this country they target for lower wages, no rights in the workplace, and no right as consumers or in the workplace</span>

3.) There can be no better arbiter of fairness than the Messiah and Savior himself, The Moron.


<span style="color: #660000">I keep telling you, your Moron, THE Messiah and Savior, isn't president anymore.

Remember, Bush left us with two screwed up wars, a collapsed economy, masive debts, and working stiffs suffering from years of lost wages, foreclosed homes, stolen investments, AND LOST JOBS. </span>


This is the Left and everything that flows from their flawed thinking is flawed. </div></div>

<span style="color: #990000"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>A faulty Premise? LMAO! Flawed Thinking? You mean like the Birthers? The Tea Party? "No Socialism, don't touch my medicare!"

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>You mean Premises like "The deficits don't matter"????</span>

"We'll fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here!"

Trickle Down Economics?

Mushroom Clouds?



If we have class warfare, it was launched by the Repiglilcan Faulty Premises, suggesting that if they redistributed the country's wealth to the wealthiest, something would "trickle down" to the rest.

Twelve years of Repiglicans protecting greedy, croooked pigs, eight with Bush the Chimp leading the way, spending and borrowing and giving it all to the wealthy, who stole trillions of America's wealth, and outsourced our jobs, as they were poisoning our air and water, making us ilol, droppping us from our health care when we became ill, and Bush and Cheney, lying us into war!

How's about those imaginary "Mushroom Clouds"

False Premise?

Repiglicans aren't only CHOCK full of false premises, they are pathological LIARS! They have spent trillions, by subsidizing greedy Wall Street PIGS, and Job Outsourcers, who are thieves. Repiglicans destroyed our economy, and our wages, and their ONLY goal is to keep on spending our revenues, on giving more opportunities for corruption to the top weealthiest thieves in the country, as they deny averrage Americans, anny opportunity to be protected as consumers, fro the pigs at the top.

You wouldn't know a "False Premise" if it jumped up and bit you on the Butt!

G</span>.</span>

Gayle in MD
07-23-2011, 07:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama Takes On GOP; Angrily Defends ‘Working Stiffs’ Who Struggle Everyday

President Obama took to the White House briefing room podium Friday afternoon to take questions regarding the earlier collapse of the debt crisis negotiations between the administration and the GOP. A rather pedestrian press briefing suddenly turned spirited with last question posed by Huffington Post’s Sam Stein, who asked about market reaction on Monday. Mr. Obama seemed passionate, if not…well, pissed, with Speaker Boehner and other GOP leadership for the stalled talks. </div></div>



Finally O shows some spunk.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I remain confident that we will get an extension of the debt limit and not default. I am confident of that. I am less confident at this point that people are willing to step up to the plate and actually deal with the underlying problem of debt and deficits. That requires tough choices. That’s what we were sent here to do. <u>I mean the debt ceiling… that’s a formality, historically its not even been an issue. Its an unpleasant vote, but its been a routine vote that congress does periodically.

It was raise 18 times when Ronald Reagan was president. Ronald Reagan said ‘default is not an option,’ that it would be hugely damaging to the prestige of the United States and we shouldn’t even consider it. So that’s the easy part – we should have done that six months ago.
</u>
The hard part is actually dealing with the underlying debt and deficits. And doing it in a way that’s fair. That’s all the American people are looking for, some fairness. I can’t tell you how many letters and emails I get, including from some Republican voters who say we know that neither party is blameless when it comes to how this debt and deficit developed.

There’s been a lot of blame to spread around, but we sure hope you don’t just balance the budget on the backs of seniors. We sure hope that we aren’t slashing our commitment to make sure that kids can go to college. We sure hope that you aren’t throwing a bunch of poor kids off the medicaid rolls so that can’t get basic preventative services that keep them out of the emergency room. That’s all they are looking for is some fairness.

Now what you are going to hear, I suspect, is well if the senate is prepared to pass the cap cut and balance — the Republican plan — that somehow we could solve this problem that’s serious debt reduction. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Turns out that the plan that Speaker Boehner and were talking about was comparable in terms of deficit reduction.

<u>The difference was that we didn’t put all the burden on the people who were least able to protect themselves,</u> who don’t have lobbyists in this town, who don’t lawyers working on the tax code for them. Working stiffs out there, ordinary folks who are struggling everyday.</span> And they know they are getting a raw deal and they are mad at everybody about it. They are mad at Democrats and they are mad at Republicans because they know that somehow no matter how hard they work they don’t be able to seem to keep up. And what they are looking for is somebody who is willing to look out for them. That’s all they are looking for.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>And for us to not be keeping those in mind every single day when we are up here. <u>For us to be more worried about what some funder says or what some talk radio show host or what some columnist said, or what pledge back when we were trying to run or worried about having a primary fight…for us to be thinking in those terms? Instead of thinking about those folks is inexcusable!</u></span>

I mean the American people are just desperate for folks who are willing to put aside politics for just a minute and try and get some stuff done. So when Norah asked, or when somebody else asked “why was i willing to go a long with a deal that wasn’t optimal from my perspective?” Because even if I didn’t think the deal was perfect, at least it would show tat this place was serious. That we are willing to take on these responsibilities even when its tough. That we’re willing to step up even when the folks who got us elected may disagree.

And at some point, if you want to be a leader, you gotta lead.
</div></div>

Well said Mr President.

Q </div></div>

Yes, BRAVO! Maybe God will tell them to sit down and shut up, so they can learn something about how our government is supposed to work.

Apparently our president is up against a bunch of ignorant RW BUBBAS, Toddlers from the Flyover states, too childish to sit at the aduolt table, and can't control themselves. Gee, you think they might be sufferring from diaper rash? Maybe we should put some oil on their little butts? too mcuh vigorous Tea Bagging, I guess, lol.

"I want what I want when I want it" in Cantor's Year book, LMAO! Typical toddler.

Somewhere they got the idea that they were going to be the Grand Dictators of America!

I hope the President throws them out of the WH today!

Apparently the Tea Baggers, who really ARE TEA BAGGERS, lol, if you get my drift, thought they owned all three branches! they're chaffed from all of the RWmm Bubba Tea Bagging.

And THEY preach about The COTUS!

BWA HA HA HA.

They need to sign a pledge to learn how to sit at the adult table, lol.

Stretch
07-23-2011, 09:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama Takes On GOP; Angrily Defends ‘Working Stiffs’ Who Struggle Everyday

President Obama took to the White House briefing room podium Friday afternoon to take questions regarding the earlier collapse of the debt crisis negotiations between the administration and the GOP. A rather pedestrian press briefing suddenly turned spirited with last question posed by Huffington Post’s Sam Stein, who asked about market reaction on Monday. Mr. Obama seemed passionate, if not…well, pissed, with Speaker Boehner and other GOP leadership for the stalled talks. </div></div>



Finally O shows some spunk.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I remain confident that we will get an extension of the debt limit and not default. I am confident of that. I am less confident at this point that people are willing to step up to the plate and actually deal with the underlying problem of debt and deficits. That requires tough choices. That’s what we were sent here to do. <u>I mean the debt ceiling… that’s a formality, historically its not even been an issue. Its an unpleasant vote, but its been a routine vote that congress does periodically.

It was raise 18 times when Ronald Reagan was president. Ronald Reagan said ‘default is not an option,’ that it would be hugely damaging to the prestige of the United States and we shouldn’t even consider it. So that’s the easy part – we should have done that six months ago.
</u>
The hard part is actually dealing with the underlying debt and deficits. And doing it in a way that’s fair. That’s all the American people are looking for, some fairness. I can’t tell you how many letters and emails I get, including from some Republican voters who say we know that neither party is blameless when it comes to how this debt and deficit developed.

There’s been a lot of blame to spread around, but we sure hope you don’t just balance the budget on the backs of seniors. We sure hope that we aren’t slashing our commitment to make sure that kids can go to college. We sure hope that you aren’t throwing a bunch of poor kids off the medicaid rolls so that can’t get basic preventative services that keep them out of the emergency room. That’s all they are looking for is some fairness.

Now what you are going to hear, I suspect, is well if the senate is prepared to pass the cap cut and balance — the Republican plan — that somehow we could solve this problem that’s serious debt reduction. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Turns out that the plan that Speaker Boehner and were talking about was comparable in terms of deficit reduction.

<u>The difference was that we didn’t put all the burden on the people who were least able to protect themselves,</u> who don’t have lobbyists in this town, who don’t lawyers working on the tax code for them. Working stiffs out there, ordinary folks who are struggling everyday.</span> And they know they are getting a raw deal and they are mad at everybody about it. They are mad at Democrats and they are mad at Republicans because they know that somehow no matter how hard they work they don’t be able to seem to keep up. And what they are looking for is somebody who is willing to look out for them. That’s all they are looking for.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>And for us to not be keeping those in mind every single day when we are up here. <u>For us to be more worried about what some funder says or what some talk radio show host or what some columnist said, or what pledge back when we were trying to run or worried about having a primary fight…for us to be thinking in those terms? Instead of thinking about those folks is inexcusable!</u></span>

I mean the American people are just desperate for folks who are willing to put aside politics for just a minute and try and get some stuff done. So when Norah asked, or when somebody else asked “why was i willing to go a long with a deal that wasn’t optimal from my perspective?” Because even if I didn’t think the deal was perfect, at least it would show tat this place was serious. That we are willing to take on these responsibilities even when its tough. That we’re willing to step up even when the folks who got us elected may disagree.

And at some point, if you want to be a leader, you gotta lead.
</div></div>

Well said Mr President.

Q </div></div>

Yes, BRAVO! Maybe God will tell them to sit down and shut up, so they can learn something about how our government is supposed to work.

Apparently our president is up against a bunch of ignorant RW BUBBAS, Toddlers from the Flyover states, too childish to sit at the aduolt table, and can't control themselves. Gee, you think they might be sufferring from diaper rash? Maybe we should put some oil on their little butts? too mcuh vigorous Tea Bagging, I guess, lol.

"I want what I want when I want it" in Cantor's Year book, LMAO! Typical toddler.

Somewhere they got the idea that they were going to be the Grand Dictators of America!

I hope the President throws them out of the WH today!

Apparently the Tea Baggers, who really ARE TEA BAGGERS, lol, if you get my drift, thought they owned all three branches! they're chaffed from all of the RWmm Bubba Tea Bagging.

And THEY preach about The COTUS!

BWA HA HA HA.

They need to sign a pledge to learn how to sit at the adult table, lol.

</div></div>

Something is horribly out of whack when all this talk about spending cuts singles out social programs but not a word about the Huge and mean HUGE amount of money spent on the Military.

The US accounts for 47% of the Worlds total Military spending and is more than the next 15 country's COMBINED, 12 of which are considered allies.

No, the US will sacrifice what is left of the middle class before it will cut one red cent of military stockpiling.

It's time to reorganize and prioritize the Military from top to bottom. Wars are not fought the way they have in the past. There simply has to be a way to get more bang for your buck.

I'm totaly surprised that you (the US) did not heed the lessons of the Soviet economic collaps in trying to stay in the game during the arms race. History is repeating itself as the US is heading for an implosion of their own. St.

Gayle in MD
07-23-2011, 10:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama Takes On GOP; Angrily Defends ‘Working Stiffs’ Who Struggle Everyday

President Obama took to the White House briefing room podium Friday afternoon to take questions regarding the earlier collapse of the debt crisis negotiations between the administration and the GOP. A rather pedestrian press briefing suddenly turned spirited with last question posed by Huffington Post’s Sam Stein, who asked about market reaction on Monday. Mr. Obama seemed passionate, if not…well, pissed, with Speaker Boehner and other GOP leadership for the stalled talks. </div></div>



Finally O shows some spunk.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I remain confident that we will get an extension of the debt limit and not default. I am confident of that. I am less confident at this point that people are willing to step up to the plate and actually deal with the underlying problem of debt and deficits. That requires tough choices. That’s what we were sent here to do. <u>I mean the debt ceiling… that’s a formality, historically its not even been an issue. Its an unpleasant vote, but its been a routine vote that congress does periodically.

It was raise 18 times when Ronald Reagan was president. Ronald Reagan said ‘default is not an option,’ that it would be hugely damaging to the prestige of the United States and we shouldn’t even consider it. So that’s the easy part – we should have done that six months ago.
</u>
The hard part is actually dealing with the underlying debt and deficits. And doing it in a way that’s fair. That’s all the American people are looking for, some fairness. I can’t tell you how many letters and emails I get, including from some Republican voters who say we know that neither party is blameless when it comes to how this debt and deficit developed.

There’s been a lot of blame to spread around, but we sure hope you don’t just balance the budget on the backs of seniors. We sure hope that we aren’t slashing our commitment to make sure that kids can go to college. We sure hope that you aren’t throwing a bunch of poor kids off the medicaid rolls so that can’t get basic preventative services that keep them out of the emergency room. That’s all they are looking for is some fairness.

Now what you are going to hear, I suspect, is well if the senate is prepared to pass the cap cut and balance — the Republican plan — that somehow we could solve this problem that’s serious debt reduction. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Turns out that the plan that Speaker Boehner and were talking about was comparable in terms of deficit reduction.

<u>The difference was that we didn’t put all the burden on the people who were least able to protect themselves,</u> who don’t have lobbyists in this town, who don’t lawyers working on the tax code for them. Working stiffs out there, ordinary folks who are struggling everyday.</span> And they know they are getting a raw deal and they are mad at everybody about it. They are mad at Democrats and they are mad at Republicans because they know that somehow no matter how hard they work they don’t be able to seem to keep up. And what they are looking for is somebody who is willing to look out for them. That’s all they are looking for.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>And for us to not be keeping those in mind every single day when we are up here. <u>For us to be more worried about what some funder says or what some talk radio show host or what some columnist said, or what pledge back when we were trying to run or worried about having a primary fight…for us to be thinking in those terms? Instead of thinking about those folks is inexcusable!</u></span>

I mean the American people are just desperate for folks who are willing to put aside politics for just a minute and try and get some stuff done. So when Norah asked, or when somebody else asked “why was i willing to go a long with a deal that wasn’t optimal from my perspective?” Because even if I didn’t think the deal was perfect, at least it would show tat this place was serious. That we are willing to take on these responsibilities even when its tough. That we’re willing to step up even when the folks who got us elected may disagree.

And at some point, if you want to be a leader, you gotta lead.
</div></div>

Well said Mr President.

Q </div></div>

Yes, BRAVO! Maybe God will tell them to sit down and shut up, so they can learn something about how our government is supposed to work.

Apparently our president is up against a bunch of ignorant RW BUBBAS, Toddlers from the Flyover states, too childish to sit at the aduolt table, and can't control themselves. Gee, you think they might be sufferring from diaper rash? Maybe we should put some oil on their little butts? too mcuh vigorous Tea Bagging, I guess, lol.

"I want what I want when I want it" in Cantor's Year book, LMAO! Typical toddler.

Somewhere they got the idea that they were going to be the Grand Dictators of America!

I hope the President throws them out of the WH today!

Apparently the Tea Baggers, who really ARE TEA BAGGERS, lol, if you get my drift, thought they owned all three branches! they're chaffed from all of the RWmm Bubba Tea Bagging.

And THEY preach about The COTUS!

BWA HA HA HA.

They need to sign a pledge to learn how to sit at the adult table, lol.

</div></div>

Something is horribly out of whack when all this talk about spending cuts singles out social programs but not a word about the Huge and mean HUGE amount of money spent on the Military.

The US accounts for 47% of the Worlds total Military spending and is more than the next 15 country's COMBINED, 12 of which are considered allies.

No, the US will sacrifice what is left of the middle class before it will cut one red cent of military stockpiling.

It's time to reorganize and prioritize the Military from top to bottom. Wars are not fought the way they have in the past. There simply has to be a way to get more bang for your buck.

I'm totaly surprised that you (the US) did not heed the lessons of the Soviet economic collaps in trying to stay in the game during the arms race. History is repeating itself as the US is heading for an implosion of their own. St.



</div></div>

Well, I think we all know who the Neocon chikcen Hawks, are. those Rah Rah War neocons, got us into this last mess, in Iraq.

True, this president has spent a lot on defense, but, IMO, getting bin Laden, has been the result, and if you look at what Bush spent, lost, and wasted, in the Middle East, which provided nothing of vaule for the country at lare, and if we just follow the money, it's clear, the only people who got any advantage, were his cronies in the oil industry, both his, and Cheney's former corporations, The Carlyle Group, long a Bush Dynasty/Saudi enterprise, Halliburton, Blackwater, all three, were REpiglican operations, owned and operated, by those Bush administration insiders.

Even Greenspan, slipped up and called the Iraq War, a war that was all about OIL.

Obama, inherited a destablized Middle East, no bin Laden, a franchised al qaeda, which had spread to far flung places, and a growing threat from many enemies, all of it unleashed by the failed foreign policies of the Bush Administration, from Iran, to North Korea, to Yemeni, and as the NSE stated, Bush's policies emboldened our enemies, aided their recruitment, and allowed regrouping by the Taliban, in Afghanistan.

there is no question, invading Iraq, was the worst thing we could have done, and between those costs, the costs of his giveaways to the corporations, and the very wealthy, his habitual borrowing, his giveaways to Big Pharma, Oil, etc., and failure to pay for anything at all, devastated our country.

I don't think Obama had much choice but to try to stablize Bush's legacy of disasters, and at least, we got something out of President Obama's policies, we got the worst terrorist in the world, bin Laden, the terrorist that Bush/Cheney forgot all about, the Terrorist that led the attack on 9/11, same one Bush, forgot about, to assuage his personal grudge against Saddam.

Given the Bush family, has been in bed with the Saudi's for decades, in business with bin Laden's family, I always believed, they would never kill bin Laden.

I was right, it would seem. It took a president who was seriously determined, sensible and contemplative, and who had enough intellence to plot and plan, instead of going off half cocked, to finally get bin Laden.

I do agree, though, in these time, our historical defense policy M.O. has long been ridiculous, and ineffective.

Neither Veitnam, nor Iraq, ever made any sense, and those anachronistic policies of invadinng other countries, killing more and more civilians as we went, buioding more and more enemies around the world, and getting stuck in costly wars, and nation building, costly maintainence of bases, all over the world, it's all absolutely absurd!

More of the pre-White House LIES from the Bush Administrtion...."No Nation Buiding"

Again, Read My Lips, .....if their lips are moving, they're lying.

G.

ugotda7
07-23-2011, 10:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Virtually everything he said was less than accurate....so no, it wasn't well said - unless you're D U M M dumb as a box of rocks that is. </div></div>

Like what?

Q </div></div>

Like virtually everything. </div></div>

Awsome debate. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif St. </div></div>

There's nothing to debate - the facts are the facts......and they were absent in virtually everything the president said.

ugotda7
07-25-2011, 10:48 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/24/curl-is-obama-a-pathological-liar/

CURL: Is Obama a pathological liar?

Mendacity is a system that we live in.”

- Brick, “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof”

In the weird world that is Washington, men and women say things daily, hourly, even minutely, that they know deep down are simply not true. Inside the Beltway, we all call those utterances “rhetoric.”

But across the rest of the country, plain ol’ folk call ‘em lies. Bald-faced (even bold-faced) lies. Those folks have a tried-and-true way of determining a lie: If you know what you’re saying is patently false, then it’s a lie. Simple.

And lately, the president has been lying so much that his pants could burst into flames at any moment.

His late-evening news conference Friday was a tour de force of flat-out, unadulterated mendacity — and we’ve gotten a first-hand insider’s view of the president’s long list of lies.

“I wanted to give you an update on the current situation around the debt ceiling,” Mr. Obama said at 6:06 p.m. OK, that wasn’t a lie — but just about everything he said after it was, and he knows it.

“I just got a call about a half-hour ago from Speaker [John A.] Boehner, who indicated that he was going to be walking away from the negotiations,” he said.

Not so: “The White House made offers during the negotiations,” said our insider, a person intimately involved in the negotiations, “and then backtracked on those offers after they got heat from Democrats on Capitol Hill. The White House, and its steadfast refusal to follow through on its rhetoric in terms of cutting spending and addressing entitlements, is the real reason that debt talks broke down.”

Mr. Boehner was more blunt in his own news conference: “The discussions we’ve had with the White House have broken down for two reasons. First, they insisted on raising taxes. … Secondly, they refused to get serious about cutting spending and making the tough choices that are facing our country on entitlement reform.”

But back to the lying liar and the lies he told Friday. “You had a bipartisan group of senators, including Republicans who are in leadership in the Senate, calling for what effectively was about $2 trillion above the Republican baseline that theyve been working off of. What we said was give us $1.2 trillion in additional revenues,” Mr. Obama said.

That, too, was a lie. “The White House had already agreed to a lower revenue number — to be generated through economic growth and a more efficient tax code — and then it tried to change the terms of the deal after taking heat from Democrats on Capitol Hill,” our insider said.

The negotiations just before breakdown called for $800 billion in new “revenues” (henceforth, we’ll call those “taxes”), but after the supposedly bipartisan plan came out — and bowing to the powerful liberal bloc on Capitol Hill — Mr. Obama demanded another $400 billion in new taxes: a 50 percent increase.

Mr. Boehner was blunt: “The White House moved the goalpost. There was an agreement, some additional revenues, until yesterday, when the president demanded $400 billion more, which was going to be nothing more than a tax increase on the American people.”

But Mr. Obama, with a straight face, continued. “We then offered an additional $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs — Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.”

The truth: “Actually, the White House was walking back its commitments on entitlement reforms, too. They kept saying they wanted to ‘go big.’ But their actions never matched their rhetoric,” the insider said.

Now, Mr. Boehner and the real leaders in Congress have taken back the process. He’ll write the bill and pass it along to the president, with this directive, which he reportedly said to Mr. Obama’s face in a short White House meeting Saturday: “Congress writes the laws and you get to decide what you want to sign.”

Watching the one-third-of-a-term-senator-turned-president negotiate brings to mind a child spinning yarns about just how the living room lamp got broken. Now, though, the grown-ups are in charge; the kids have been put to bed. Ten days ago, the president warned the speaker: “Dont call my bluff.”

Well, Mr. Boehner has. He’s holding all the cards — and he’s not bluffing.

eg8r
07-25-2011, 12:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Finally O shows some spunk.
</div></div>The lying liar and the lies he told.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 01:31 PM
So we should believe an anonymous 'insider,' who clearly is a Republican? Why would that be? As I see it, the GOP has an unpopular and untenable, and possibly ruinous, pickle on its hands, and would be desperate to change the story from their obdurate intransigence to the alleged lies of the POTUS.

Even the term pathological is hyperbole. If either of these parties, the president or the 'insider' is lying, it isn't out of pathology, but as a political tactic, clearly.

Pathological liars do not merely lie when it's useful, they lie when even the truth would be as or more helpful to their goals. This piece shows nothing of that sort.

So, the answer is, apparently the POTUS is not a pathological liar, even granting all this 'evidence' some credence, which it has not earned and doesn't deserve.

To frame it that way is clearly hyperbolic, and creates still more doubt that even the alleged lying occurred.

eg8r
07-25-2011, 01:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So we should believe an anonymous 'insider,' who clearly is a Republican?</div></div>So now that you have pigeon-holed "anonymous" you willy-nilly decide whether they are believable or not? Journalists, columnists, editorialists, etc have used "anonymou" for decades and it is an accepted practice. Why all of a sudden are you taking exception?

eg8r

Sev
07-25-2011, 04:22 PM
Looks like Obama has been booted from the discussion.

Beohner schooled him in some constitutional facts.

LWW
07-26-2011, 02:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's nothing to debate - the facts are the facts......and they were absent in virtually everything the president said. </div></div>

That's the way the productive class sees things.

To understand the destructive class, you must understand that they see it as <span style='font-size: 11pt'>"The facts are whatever the party tells us the facts are!"</span>

LWW
07-26-2011, 02:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So we should believe an anonymous 'insider,' who clearly is a Republican?</div></div>So now that you have pigeon-holed "anonymous" you willy-nilly decide whether they are believable or not? Journalists, columnists, editorialists, etc have used "anonymou" for decades and it is an accepted practice. Why all of a sudden are you taking exception?

eg8r </div></div>

Because it dispute dear leader's version of "TRUTH" ... and that makes it heresy.

Qtec
07-26-2011, 02:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's the way the productive class sees things. </div></div>

Is this your new catch phrase?

The productive class is the American worker, not Wall St.

Q.

LWW
07-26-2011, 05:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's the way the productive class sees things. </div></div>

Is this your new catch phrase?

The productive class is the American worker, not Wall St.

Q. </div></div>

Actually ... the productive class include both.

Capital cannot earn and create wealth without having access to labor while labor cannot earn and create wealth without capital.

Put simply ... how many cars would the UAW build without plants, parts, tools, and raw materials? How many cars would the auto industry produce without workers? In both cases the answer is zero.

The destructive class consists of the overreaching state, it's mindless supporters, those who suckle from the teat of the productive class while producing nothing of their own even though they are able bodied, and those who choose to become serfs of the state in exchange for the freedom to behave irresponsibly ... thus achieving representation without taxation, which is a very unamerican way of life.

Anything else I can help you with?

Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 06:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's the way the productive class sees things. </div></div>

Is this your new catch phrase?

The productive class is the American worker, not Wall St.

Q. </div></div>

LMAO! An internet stalker, with Tourettes Posting Syndrome, on line twenty-four hours a day, everyday, and he's talking about the productive class? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Yeah, right, 18663 flushable posts in under four years! He's real productive, isn't he?

BWA HA HA HA...too funny!

G.

LWW
07-26-2011, 06:38 AM
I see you still keep track of them ... I knew you still cared.