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LWW
07-24-2011, 06:36 AM
Highest temperature ever recorded in world history ... 136 degrees on September 13, 1922 at Al 'Aziziyah, Libya.

Highest temperature ever recorded in North American history ... 134 degrees on July 10, 1913 at Death Valley, California.

Highest temperature ever recorded in Asian history ... 129 degrees on June 21, 1942 at Tirat Tsvi, Israel.

Highest temperature ever recorded in Australian history ... 123.3 degrees on January 2, 1960 at Oodnadatta, South Australia.

Highest temperature ever recorded in European history ... 118.4 degrees on July 10, 1977 at Athens Greece.

Highest temperature ever recorded in Southa American history ... 120.4 degrees on January 2, 1920 at Villa de Mara, Argentina.

Highest temperature ever recorded in Antarctic history ... 59 degrees on January 5, 1974 at Vanda Station, Scott Coast.

Lowest temperature ever recorded in world history ... -128.6 degrees on July 21, 1983 at Vostok Station, Antarctica.

Lowest temperature ever recorded in African history ... -24 degrees on February 11, 1935 at Ifrane, Morocco.

Lowest temperature ever recorded in Asian history ... -68 degrees on February 7, 1892 at Verkhoyansk, Russia.

Lowest temperature ever recorded in North American history ... -66.1 degrees on January 9, 1954 at North Ice, Greenland.

Lowest temperature ever recorded in European history ... -58.1 degrees on December 31, 1978 at Ust' Shchugor, USSR.

Lowest temperature ever recorded in European history ... -38 degrees on July 17, 1972 at Valle de los Patos Superior, San Juan, Argentina.

Lowest temperature ever recorded in European history ... -25.6 degrees on July 18, 1903 at Ranfurly, Central Otago, New Zealand.

All 7 continents checked ... none of them reached their coldest or warmest in the last 20 years known as the

<span style='font-family: Comic Sans MS'><span style='font-size: 26pt'>"AGE OF CLIMATE CHANGE TERROR!"</span></span>

- Zero records achieved since 2000.

- Zero records achieved in the 1990's.

- One record achieved in the 1980's.

- Four records achieved in the 1970's.

- Zero records achieved in the 1960's.

- Two records achieved in the 1950's.

- One record achieved in the 1940's.

- One record achieved in the 1930's.

- One record achieved in the 1920's.

- Two records achieved in the 1911-1920 era.

- One record achieved in the 1901-1910 era.

- One record achieved in the 1890's.

- Only a single record set within the last three decades, and it being almost 29 years ago.

- Nine of the fourteen records being set over five decades ago.

- Other than the 1970's ... the records are spaced quite evenly over the last 12+ decades, with recent times showing far far less climate extremes than any other decade since accurate recording worldwide have been available.

WHAT SAY YE GOREMONS? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records)

Soflasnapper
07-24-2011, 11:31 AM
Clever sophistry. Congratulations. This is some of your better trickery. Original to you?

The answer is weather vs. climate. Localized extremes do not say anything specific about the averages, and the averages are what make up the climate. Averages not of one continent, but the world. Not just of the air temp, but the water temps as well. Localized low records are set even in years where localized high records are set somewhere else. I've seen 2-1 high records over low records in the recent times, but low records are still being set nonetheless, in decently large numbers.

Here's an example. Bob Beamon's Mexico City Olympics long jump shattered the prior world record by over a foot, in an event where the records are usually broken in inches. For a long time, this seemed insurmountable, and almost suspicious, as if maybe he had an illegal tailwind as well as the thin air helping him. Or fouled on the takeoff by going past the line. (Since it was the Olympics, the wind was accurately measured within the legal allowable range, and his foot takeoff closely watched as well.)

By analogy to your purported point, until this record was broken, we'd have to assume the quality of men's long jumping wasn't going up, on average. Actually it was, and so, when the record was broken, it was broken twice in the same competition (or that's what I remember), and both Carl Lewis and Mike Powell had many jumps around the record before they passed it (whereas Beamon never had been close, before or after, a one-off thing for him).

The average performance of world-class long jumpers <u>was</u> getting a lot better, even though the Beamon record stood for a long time. Since a fair amount of the difference seen in the heating up of the planet shows up as higher nighttime temperatures, and ocean water temperatures, we wouldn't expect that we'd necessarily see much greater daytime records proliferate.

And actually, we ARE seeing such new record highs set, locally, all over. Right now, in fact.

Whoever put this together made a clever, though deceitful, rear guard action against the plain facts that everyone can see on their weather reports this summer. No wonder-- the oil industry can afford the very best propagandists, and they do convincing work even as they constructively lie.

LWW
07-24-2011, 11:44 AM
Hold the phone hoss ... why aren't you chastising the Goremons for insisting that this hot summer is proof of MMGW?

If you truly believe that climate extremes prove nothing, and you aren't being intellectually dishonest, you would be all over them for that ... yet you aren't?

And, although it is true that a solitary stat means almost nothing ... if the world is in fact being plagued by runaway MMGW wouldn't it be nearly impossible for none of the 7 continents to have achieved either a record high or low in over 25 years?

After all, part of the Goremon dogma is that both heat and cold extremes are evidence of MMCC ... yet there have been no actual extremes to be found, just lots of normalcy.

Next lame arsed spoon fed and completely illogical excuse that flies in the face of over 100 years of climate records?

What's that?

As soon as Al and the boyz <s>photoshop</s> <s>fake</s> <s>fraudulently create</s> provide spoon feed them to you then you'll regurgitate them for us?

I expect nothing less.

Soflasnapper
07-24-2011, 12:05 PM
I agree, absent other confirming context, that hot temperature, even record hot temperature, in summer, does not mean much. It's the same, but reversed, argument about cold temps in winter time.

However, the anti-AGW forces ALWAYS use the cold temps in winter (hey, it even SNOWS!-- SEE? no global warming) as their talking point. Why? I guess because it's effective to convince people. So I don't begrudge the tit-for-tat right back atya tactic here, because it IS exactly their (bad) argument thrown back in their faces, which they must either accept under their former premises that the argument is sound, or HOPEFULLY, come to the actual true answer to that argument, and thus defeat their own version come the change of seasons next time. No harm, no foul, and win-win, in my view.

But no, with the numerous local records being set all over the place, it isn't that surprising that the artifice of a continental record hasn't yet been exceeded. It will, and probably a lot of places within a short period of time, just as Lewis and Powell both finally got to the Beamon record. And they would have, sooner, had they been able to compete in the rarified air of Mexico City's altitude, AND have been given the tail wind, just below the illegal level.

The true reason for the normal records set are somewhat perfect storm scenarios, which are hard to put together again, that don't reflect average conditions, but extraordinary conditions. As the averages creep up and up, eventually over time, you'll get that standing high pressure system, a powerful El Nino, all together, so that the remaining high temp records will fall.

Actually, I don't think the TEMP extremes are so much predicted by AGW as are the PRECIPITATION extremes, power of tropical storms extremes, etc. And as the number of 100 year storms and floods, 500 year storms and floods, etc., multiply, we certainly do see such evidence to date.

LWW
07-24-2011, 12:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But no, with the numerous local records being set all over the place, it isn't that surprising that the artifice of a continental record hasn't yet been exceeded. </div></div>

And now we reach the conspiracy theorist's constant fallback position ... the most convincing proof is no proof at all.

LWW
07-24-2011, 12:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But no, with the numerous local records being set all over the place ...</div></div>

That's quite compelling, except that it simply isn't true.

- Only 1 of 50 states has set an all time high since 2000.

- Only 5 of 50 states has set an all time high in the 1990's.

- Only 2 of 50 states has set an all time high in the 1980's.

- Only 2 of 50 states has set an all time high in the 1970's.

- Only 1 of 50 states has set an all time high since in the 1960's.

- Only 5 of 50 states has set an all time high since in the 1950's.

- Zero of 50 states has set an all time high since in the 1940's.

- A whopping 20 of 50 states has set an all time high since in the 1930's.

- Only 6 of 50 states has set an all time high since in the 1920's.

- Only 5 of 50 states has set an all time high since in the 1910's.

- Zero of 50 states has set an all time high since in the 1900's.

- Only 1 of 50 states has set an all time high since in the 1890's.

- Only 1 of 50 states has set an all time high since in the 1880's.

Only 1 of 50 states have had an all time high in the last 16 years ... only 11 of 50 in the last 50 years ... only 16 of 50 in over 70 years, out of records only going back 123 years.

Where are the local record highs you keep referring to?

LWW
07-24-2011, 12:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But no, with the numerous local records being set all over the place ...</div></div>

That's quite compelling, except that it simply isn't true.

- Only 1 of 50 states has set an all time low since 2000.

- Only 5 of 50 states has set an all time low in the 1990's ... at the height of the MMGW scare.

- Only 6 of 50 states has set an all time low in the 1980's.

- Only 4 of 50 states has set an all time low in the 1970's.

- Only 2 of 50 states has set an all time low since in the 1960's.

- Only 2 of 50 states has set an all time low since in the 1950's.

- Only 2 of 50 states has set an all time low since in the 1940's.

- A whopping 10 of 50 states has set an all time low since in the 1930's.

- Only 1 of 50 states has set an all time low since in the 1920's.

- Only 3 of 50 states has set an all time low since in the 1910's.

- Only 5 of 50 states has set an all time low since in the 1900's.

- Only 4 of 50 states has set an all time low since in the 1890's.

- Zero of 50 states has set an all time low since in the 1880's.

By far the decade most victimized by "CLIMATE CHANGE" was the 1930's ... which were the depression years.

Where are the local record lows you keep referring to?

OH DEAR! (http://www.usatoday.com/weather/wcstates.htm)

OH MY! (http://www.usatoday.com/weather/wheat7.htm)

Soflasnapper
07-24-2011, 01:52 PM
Please. These are the more significant medium-range records, such as number of over 100 degree days in a row kind of records. These records are tumbling riotously. 'Day' records, such as the hottest July 24th on record, also are in abundance. We've set many of them on given days in Florida.

You would claim that these 'day' records don't count because they didn't exceed the overall day record for a year, I suppose. But by the time so many of these pile up, and they are piling up, they do become significant.

LWW
07-24-2011, 02:43 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please. These are the more significant medium-range records, such as number of over 100 degree days in a row kind of records. These records are tumbling riotously.</div></div>

You mean like this record for most consecutive days of over 100, 22 days, set twice ... once in 1918 and once in 1936?

OH DEAR! (http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx?How_do_Tulsas_100degree_days_now_compare _to_previous_records/48-11904)

Ahhh ... it seem that THREE (http://coolweather.net/statetemperature/florida_temperature.htm) Florida cities hit records this year ... out of how many?

Or maybe the US record of 42 consecutive days over 100 ... set in 1980. (http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/askjack/archives-weather-extremes.htm)


And if you really want to learn how the Goremons manipulate temperature data, go HERE (http://www.free-the-memes.net/writings/warming2/hottest_year.html).

cushioncrawler
07-24-2011, 07:10 PM
But dont forget that it iznt so much a question of weather (pun intended) precipitous manmade GW iz real, the worry iz that it (PMMGW) might be real.

That iz the big lie by all denyers. They ignore this bit of logik. That iz their lie.

Skepticizm of PMMGW iz good. I dont mind it. Some skeptikal arguements hav been (are) very interesting, and hav certainly forced some suppozed scientifik experts to pull their heads in.
mac.

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 12:36 AM
I'll bite. How many years have shown 3 Florida cities setting records?

LWW
07-25-2011, 01:51 AM
I have no idea ... but I'd guess there are several hundred weather stations in Florida, so a few hitting records now and then shouldn't be a surprise.

I do commend you however on flipping instantly from <span style='font-size: 11pt'>"WEATHER EXTREMES ARE MEANINGLESS IN DISPROVING GLOBAL WARMING!"</span> to <span style='font-size: 11pt'>"WEATHER EXTREMES ARE OBVIOUS PROOF OF GLOBAL WARMING!"</span> depending on which you need to argue the regime's agenda.

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 02:56 PM
I've already explained that isolated highs or lows not being re-set or met is not a good measure, compared to the averages.

However, as those averages mount and mount, eventually the records get taken out, and more frequently. New records are neither necessary nor sufficient to show anything, but yes, eventually, you would expect that the averages would rise enough that you'd begin to see records fall.

That's not contradictory in the least, unless you cannot think.

19 countries and one territory set new high temperature records in 2010.
Shown here, graphically with named countries and the temperature newly set as a record. (http://www.skepticalscience.com/2010-2011-Earths-most-extreme-weather-since-1816.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This includes Asia's hottest reliably measured temperature of all-time, the remarkable 128.3F (53.5C) in Pakistan in May 2010. This measurement is also the hottest reliably recorded temperature anywhere on the planet except for in Death Valley, California. The countries that experienced all-time extreme highs in 2010 constituted over 20% of Earth's land surface area. </div></div>

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 03:23 PM
From the same cited source, which is worth reading all the way through for all the weather extremes in 2010:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Russian heat wave and drought: deadliest heat wave in human history
A scorching heat wave struck Moscow in late June 2010, and steadily increased in intensity through July as the jet stream remained "stuck" in an unusual loop that kept cool air and rain-bearing low pressure systems far north of the country. By July 14, the mercury hit 31C (87F) in Moscow, the first day of an incredible 33-day stretch with a maximum temperatures of 30C (86F) or higher. Moscow's old extreme heat record, 37C (99F) in 1920, was equaled or exceeded five times in a two-week period from July 26 - August 6 2010, including an incredible 38.2C (101F) on July 29. Over a thousand Russians seeking to escape the heat drowned in swimming accidents, and thousands more died from the heat and from inhaling smoke and toxic fumes from massive wild fires. The associated drought cut Russia's wheat crop by 40%, cost the nation $15 billion, and led to a ban on grain exports. The grain export ban, in combination with bad weather elsewhere in the globe during 2010 - 2011, caused a sharp spike in world food prices that helped trigger civil unrest across much of northern Africa and the Middle East in 2011. At least 55,000 people died due to the heat wave, making it the deadliest heat wave in human history. A 2011 NOAA study concluded that "while a contribution to the heat wave from climate change could not be entirely ruled out, if it was present, it played a much smaller role than naturally occurring meteorological processes in explaining this heat wave's intensity." However, they noted that the climate models used for the study showed a rapidly increasing risk of such heat waves in western Russia, from less than 1% per year in 2010, to 10% or more per year by 2100. </div></div>

Please note I left in the caveat, with which I agree. LWW normally excises out the contradictory language from his cites, as I've so amply demonstrated repeatedly.

LWW
07-26-2011, 02:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">'Day' records, such as the hottest July 24th on record, also are in abundance. We've set many of them on given days in Florida.

You would claim that these 'day' records don't count because they didn't exceed the overall day record for a year, I suppose. But by the time so many of these pile up, and they are piling up, they do become significant. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll bite. How many years have shown 3 Florida cities setting records?



</div></div>

Unlike yourself, I had the courage to actually find out.

=FL]JULY 17, 2011 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/17?sts[) exactly zero Florida stations reported, and exactly zero tied, an all time high for that calendar date.

=FL]JULY 18, 2011 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/18?sts[) exactly zero Florida stations reported, and exactly zero tied, an all time high for that calendar date.

=FL]JULY 19, 2011 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/19?sts[) exactly zero Florida stations reported, and exactly zero tied, an all time high for that calendar date.

=FL]JULY 20, 2011 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/20?sts[) exactly zero Florida stations reported, and exactly zero tied, an all time high for that calendar date.

=FL]JULY 21, 2011 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/21?sts[) exactly zero Florida stations reported, and exactly zero tied, an all time high for that calendar date.

=FL]JULY 22, 2011 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/22?sts[) exactly zero Florida stations reported, and exactly zero tied, an all time high for that calendar date.

=FL]JULY 23, 2011 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/23?sts[) exactly zero Florida stations reported, and exactly zero tied, an all time high for that calendar date.

=FL]JULY 24, 2011 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/24?sts[) exactly zero Florida stations reported, and exactly zero tied, an all time high for that calendar date.

=FL]JULY 25, 2011 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/25?sts[) exactly zero Florida stations reported, and exactly zero tied, an all time high for that calendar date.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>So, even though these daily records are claimed to be falling in abundance, during this supposed hottest week ever</span> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>exactly zero records fell and exactly zero records were tied ... out of</span> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>54,190</span> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>readings!</span>

Qtec
07-26-2011, 03:02 AM
I detect meltdown.


Q

LWW
07-26-2011, 03:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I detect meltdown.


Q </div></div>

The Goremon MMGW panic has went way past meltdown, and is approaching freezing level.

Next leftist denial of reality that I can point out for you?