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Qtec
07-25-2011, 12:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>New court filing reveals how the 2004 Ohio presidential election was hacked</span>

by Bob Fitrakis
July 20, 2011

A new filing in the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case includes a copy of the Ohio Secretary of State election production system configuration that was in use in Ohio's 2004 presidential election when there was a sudden and unexpected shift in votes for George W. Bush.

The filing also includes the revealing deposition of the late Michael Connell. Connell served as the IT guru for the Bush family and Karl Rove. Connell ran the private IT firm GovTech that created the controversial system that transferred Ohio's vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush's unexpected victory.<span style='font-size: 14pt'> Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash</span></div></div>

read it. (http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2011/4239)
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ugotda7
07-25-2011, 10:56 AM
Let it go man......let it go...........let it go........deep breaths............count to ten................close your eyes..............there now................let it go..............

llotter
07-25-2011, 11:04 AM
Gosh, 100% of the significant voting fraud cases have involved Democrats so if Republicans state using such tactics, more power to'em.

ugotda7
07-25-2011, 12:10 PM
Five letters - ACORN..........

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 01:32 PM
Of course it was. And why the guy was killed.

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 01:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let it go man......let it go...........let it go........deep breaths............count to ten................close your eyes..............there now................let it go.............. </div></div>

Every American of any stripe ought to be outraged that our electoral system is so vulnerable to fraud. Just cause your side, I guess, benefited, that might not always be the case. In any event, the will of the people should be accurately measured and honored, not slid around to its opposite by slick operators.

How can you disagree with that?

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 01:38 PM
There's no evidence of ACORN being involved with voting fraud.

REGISTRATION fraud, which they found and pointed out to the authorities is what you're thinking of. A fraud on THEM, ACORN, by registration field people who were paid by the registration number.

There is no showing that Disney named characters, various sports team rosters, and others that appeared on those registration lists ever presented IDs and voted under those names.

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 01:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gosh, 100% of the significant voting fraud cases have involved Democrats so if Republicans state using such tactics, more power to'em. </div></div>

I took you in the past for a more moral and upright sensible adult. Perhaps I was mistaken.

There is NO justification for voting fraud, and it should be condemned and prevented, whichever side does it. I'm talking jail time, and tightening up procedures so this will become closer to impossible.

In this comment above, you have become like a child, saying they did it first (or also), so it's ok? That is not a credible defensible position.

LWW
07-25-2011, 02:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's no evidence of ACORN being involved with voting fraud.</div></div>

REALLY? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty4gGmXScJs&feature=related)

REALLY? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weyrE9jLGn0)

ugotda7
07-25-2011, 02:32 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let it go man......let it go...........let it go........deep breaths............count to ten................close your eyes..............there now................let it go.............. </div></div>

Every American of any stripe ought to be outraged that our electoral system is so vulnerable to fraud. Just cause your side, I guess, benefited, that might not always be the case. In any event, the will of the people should be accurately measured and honored, not slid around to its opposite by slick operators.

How can you disagree with that? </div></div>

I disagree with it because most likely it's more liberal BS lacking a foundation in truth.

ugotda7
07-25-2011, 02:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's no evidence of ACORN being involved with voting fraud.

REGISTRATION fraud, which they found and pointed out to the authorities is what you're thinking of. A fraud on THEM, ACORN, by registration field people who were paid by the registration number.

There is no showing that Disney named characters, various sports team rosters, and others that appeared on those registration lists ever presented IDs and voted under those names. </div></div>

And speaking of a lack of foundation in truth......wow, this has got to be the biggest BS spin I've ever seen - congratulations. That you can type that with what I presume is a straight face is absolutely pathetic.

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 03:40 PM
You applauded GOP voter fraud as an answer, tit for tat, to alleged Democratic fraud (some of which surely did occur, admittedly).

That is NOT the answer. Cleaning up both sides is the answer, and making it far harder to do it.

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 03:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's no evidence of ACORN being involved with voting fraud.

REGISTRATION fraud, which they found and pointed out to the authorities is what you're thinking of. A fraud on THEM, ACORN, by registration field people who were paid by the registration number.

There is no showing that Disney named characters, various sports team rosters, and others that appeared on those registration lists ever presented IDs and voted under those names. </div></div>

And speaking of a lack of foundation in truth......wow, this has got to be the biggest BS spin I've ever seen - congratulations. That you can type that with what I presume is a straight face is absolutely pathetic. </div></div>

That's the only information I've seen, except the partisan allegations for which I've seen no evidence, just assertion.

See, for instance, this debunking. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ePGGyvp7Hc&feature=related)

I imagine you've heard so much repeated allegation that you've never asked for evidence, thinking it unnecessary if everyone (you watch or listen to) says it over and over again.

Voter registration fraud did occur. And ACORN brought it to the attention of the voting authorities. Did people really vote 18 times, since they REGISTERED 18 times? This was a scam of the paid field persons on ACORN to receive their per-person fee.

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 03:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let it go man......let it go...........let it go........deep breaths............count to ten................close your eyes..............there now................let it go.............. </div></div>

Every American of any stripe ought to be outraged that our electoral system is so vulnerable to fraud. Just cause your side, I guess, benefited, that might not always be the case. In any event, the will of the people should be accurately measured and honored, not slid around to its opposite by slick operators.

How can you disagree with that? </div></div>

I disagree with it because most likely it's more liberal BS lacking a foundation in truth. </div></div>

If you suppose Democrats have committed exactly that fraud, don't you think we should look at fixing these vulnerabilities? Fixing all voting fraud vulnerabilities should help reduce or eliminate fraud from both sides. Even if you think it's all on one side, which is relatively ignorant.

One of the reasons Nixon didn't proceed with investigating the Democratic frauds in Illinois and Texas was that he was vulnerable to the same issue in Ohio and elsewhere.

ugotda7
07-25-2011, 11:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You applauded GOP voter fraud as an answer, tit for tat, to alleged Democratic fraud (some of which surely did occur, admittedly).

That is NOT the answer. Cleaning up both sides is the answer, and making it far harder to do it. </div></div>

No, I'm saying that those allegations of fraud are most likely BS....come on, try and keep up.

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 11:52 PM
Right you are. I was responding to llotter's remark, wrongly, to you. My mistake.

But the allegations of fraud in Ohio and in the '04 election are very credible.

The possibility of any exit polling being some 8 percentage points off (or whatever it was-- a 4 point Kerry victory turning into a Bush 4 point victory instead, something about like that) is basically zero, and the chance of many, many such exit pollings all being off like that IS zero.

So much so that none other than Dick Morris, who however much a weasel knows a thing or two about election results and exit polling, announced that such a result could only be the result of fraud. Of course, as a partisan, he proclaimed that the fraud was done by the Kerry people in the exit polling.

As another professional who'd been around elections, and was fiercely loyal to Bush from his Texas days, Karen Hughes, said to W at the time, those exit polls meant he had definitely lost the race.

It's billions to one as a chance occurrence.

Qtec
07-26-2011, 12:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The assertion by pundits/Bushies that exit polling was 'way off', and thus, exit polls, which showed an easy Kerry victory in both Ohio and Florida, were incorrectly skewed and did not represent the electorate, is completely bogus.

This is disproved in minutes by simply noting the entire rest of the suite of exit polls conducted by AP and distributed to the news media. View here:

AP exit polls [This link no longer works, which may indicate that they are covering their tracks.]

Notice, if you will, that states with a narrow or wide Bush margin of victory NOT called Ohio or Florida, project perfectly. Missouri leans to Bush in exit polls, and leaned to him in the vote. Tennessee likewise was favorable to Bush in exit polls, and it showed in the final results with a clear Bush margin of victory. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Pick a state, any state, there is not one single exit poll off by more than a few percentage points in any semi-competitive race. Not one.

Except 2. Ohio and Florida,</span> </div></div>
link (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/03/68597/-LIARS!All-exit-polls-matched-results-except-OH-and-FL)

There are also many scientific papers who all contend that fraud occurred.

link is here (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/01/prweb333209.htm)

the numbers flipped (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLEMJq-eBoI&feature=related)

In the above video, they had no explanation as to how the predictions flipped. They didn't know then what we know now , ie that,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>Connell served as the IT guru for the Bush family and Karl Rove.</span> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Connell ran the private IT firm GovTech that created the controversial system <u>that transferred Ohio's vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech.</u></span> <span style="color: #990000">That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush's unexpected victory.</span> </div></div>

What would have been the media reaction if that info was available to them at the time?

And then of course,
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash </div></div>

To LWW and his posse, cheating in elections - defrauding the citizens of the USA- is OK as long as its the Republicans doing it.





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Qtec
07-26-2011, 12:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's billions to one as a chance occurrence. </div></div>

I must have saw a conservative estimate because that quoted odds of only 250,000,000/1. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

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LWW
07-26-2011, 02:50 AM
How about addressing the blatant elctoral fraud that happened in 2008?

What about Ohio's AG allowing carloads of people to come in and then register to vote without ID ... and then be escorted from polling station to polling station by the State Police ... and then order the State Police to prohibit poll watchers from entering as these voters repeatedly voted at poll after poll as part of an OAG ordered week of pre-election voting?

What's that?

It doesn't fit your agenda?

What about members of the New Black Panther Party threatening folks at polling stations?

Qtec
07-26-2011, 02:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about addressing the blatant elctoral fraud that happened in 2008? </div></div>

How about addressing the TOPIC??????????

What's that?

No?..........

Didn't think so.


Q

LWW
07-26-2011, 03:14 AM
If you present anything approaching evidence I will ... you haven't ... hence, I can't.

OTOH ... you have done what all leftists do if you can keep them talking, slip up and confess to the true agenda.

In this case that agenda is pushing the dual line lie:

- Lie #1 ... Bush stole Ohio in 2004.

- Lie #2 ... Obama didn't steal Ohio in 2008.

The logic you use are the old moonbat crazy leftist standbys:

- #1 ... no amount of evidence is ever needed to support a lie from the democrooks.

- #2 ... no amount of evidence is ever sufficient to disprove a lie from the democrooks.

You have made your handlers proud.

Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 06:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about addressing the blatant elctoral fraud that happened in 2008? </div></div>

How about addressing the TOPIC??????????

What's that?

No?..........

Didn't think so.


Q </div></div>

Efresh my memory, please, wasn't that the election that spawned the book "How To Throw An Election" written by the RW operative after he got out of jail, the guy who jammed the phone lines at the DNC in Ohio, on election day, or was that in 06?

G.

Soflasnapper
07-26-2011, 10:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about addressing the blatant elctoral fraud that happened in 2008?

What about Ohio's AG allowing carloads of people to come in and then register to vote without ID ... and then be escorted from polling station to polling station by the State Police ... and then order the State Police to prohibit poll watchers from entering as these voters repeatedly voted at poll after poll as part of an OAG ordered week of pre-election voting?

What's that?

It doesn't fit your agenda?

What about members of the New Black Panther Party threatening folks at polling stations? </div></div>

I am not informed of the allegations about Ohio. However, it was not in any way the deciding state. Obama could have lost Ohio, NC, Virginia, and another typical red state (forget which one right now) and still have won the electoral college vote.

My understanding is that same day registration/voting is the law in Ohio. If that's not true, please correct me. If irregular activities occurred there, I don't support that, but do support prosecution of any law-breaking, and clean and fair elections from all sides.

The NBBP folks claim is a freaking joke. On you, for being so gullible. Two guys, one legally there as an accredited poll watcher, in an almost entirely black precinct that had already gone the prior election for the WHITE Democrat Kerry by about a 99% vote? Yeah, they were REALLY influencing the vote there.

And their position was they were AGAINST OBAMA?!?! You and your Fox News information are pitiful on this matter. BS beyond BS. As has already been explained to you many many times. Still can't get it, I see.

I wonder if Beelzebub is losing his touch, putting out such transparent propaganda that is so easily seen through. And again, proving the point that there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

LWW
07-26-2011, 10:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not informed of the allegations about Ohio.</div></div>

Why?

What's that?

It wasn't reported on by party approved sources?

LWW
07-26-2011, 10:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">However, it was not in any way the deciding state. Obama could have lost Ohio, NC, Virginia, and another typical red state (forget which one right now) and still have won the electoral college vote.

My understanding is that same day registration/voting is the law in Ohio. If that's not true, please correct me. If irregular activities occurred there, I don't support that, but do support prosecution of any law-breaking, and clean and fair elections from all sides.

</div></div>

Interesting take being that you just excused it in the previous paragraph.

LWW
07-26-2011, 10:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And their position was they were AGAINST OBAMA?!?! You and your Fox News information are pitiful on this matter. BS beyond BS. As has already been explained to you many many times. Still can't get it, I see.

I wonder if Beelzebub is losing his touch, putting out such transparent propaganda that is so easily seen through. And again, proving the point that there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. </div></div>

And there you go again making stuff up.

How many outright lies must you be nailed on before you begin to discuss things honestly?

http://husaria.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/obama_panther.jpg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just as Sen. Barack Obama sought to distance himself from controversial racial remarks made by his pastor, an anti-American government, anti-white and virulently anti-Semitic black supremacist party has endorsed the presidential candidate on Obama's own website.

"Obama will stir the 'Melting Pot' into a better 'Molten America,'" states an endorsement from the New Black Panther Party, or NBPP, which is a registered team member and blogger on Obama's "MyObama" campaign website.

The NBPP is a controversial black extremist party whose leaders are notorious for their racist statements and for leading anti-white activism.</div></div>

OH DEAR! (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=59326)

Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 12:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about addressing the blatant elctoral fraud that happened in 2008?

What about Ohio's AG allowing carloads of people to come in and then register to vote without ID ... and then be escorted from polling station to polling station by the State Police ... and then order the State Police to prohibit poll watchers from entering as these voters repeatedly voted at poll after poll as part of an OAG ordered week of pre-election voting?

What's that?

It doesn't fit your agenda?

What about members of the New Black Panther Party threatening folks at polling stations? </div></div>

I am not informed of the allegations about Ohio. However, it was not in any way the deciding state. Obama could have lost Ohio, NC, Virginia, and another typical red state (forget which one right now) and still have won the electoral college vote.

My understanding is that same day registration/voting is the law in Ohio. If that's not true, please correct me. If irregular activities occurred there, I don't support that, but do support prosecution of any law-breaking, and clean and fair elections from all sides.

The NBBP folks claim is a freaking joke. On you, for being so gullible. Two guys, one legally there as an accredited poll watcher, in an almost entirely black precinct that had already gone the prior election for the WHITE Democrat Kerry by about a 99% vote? Yeah, they were REALLY influencing the vote there.

And their position was they were AGAINST OBAMA?!?! You and your Fox News information are pitiful on this matter. BS beyond BS. As has already been explained to you many many times. Still can't get it, I see.

I wonder if Beelzebub is losing his touch, putting out such transparent propaganda that is so easily seen through. And again, proving the point that there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

</div></div>

Tap Tap Tap! Excellent description of the Forum terrorists, more dangerous than the Foreign Terrorists, lol.

Oh, that awful day the RW Activist Supreme Court, threw out Florida's Supreme Court Decision, and appointed the chimp!

It's been all down hill for America, ever since! could have been much worse, without this President, he saved us from the Bush Depression, but as we can see, the Repiglicans will make quick work of any saving progress, thanks to the money from the corporate thieves.

BTW, Have you ever seen this?

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/bush-family-fortunes/

LWW
07-26-2011, 04:24 PM
So why are you cheering that sofanapper told a flat out lie?

What's that?

I was supposed to just accept it the way the cabal accepts spoon fed lies?

Huh?

You love the lie?

Sorry darlin ... El Dubb Dubb don't play dat.

LWW
07-26-2011, 04:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The NBBP folks claim is a freaking joke. On you, for being so gullible. Two guys, one legally there as an accredited poll watcher, in an almost entirely black precinct that had already gone the prior election for the WHITE Democrat Kerry by about a 99% vote? Yeah, they were REALLY influencing the vote there.

And their position was they were AGAINST OBAMA?!?! You and your Fox News information are pitiful on this matter. </div></div>

Sir, you owe me a personal apology for besmirching my reputation ... but beyond that you owe this august forum an apology for your blatant deceit.

An honorable man would show contrition and do the right thing.

Soflasnapper
07-26-2011, 11:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The NBBP folks claim is a freaking joke. On you, for being so gullible. Two guys, one legally there as an accredited poll watcher, in an almost entirely black precinct that had already gone the prior election for the WHITE Democrat Kerry by about a 99% vote? Yeah, they were REALLY influencing the vote there.

And their position was they were AGAINST OBAMA?!?! You and your Fox News information are pitiful on this matter. </div></div>

Sir, you owe me a personal apology for besmirching my reputation ... but beyond that you owe this august forum an apology for your blatant deceit.

An honorable man would show contrition and do the right thing.

</div></div>

You'd need a reputation, other than the one you have I mean, for that to be appropriate.

What part of it was a lie? You think their stating he'd mix up a melting pot is an endorsement? They are segregationists, race haters, do not want mixing, and did indeed oppose Obama, probably on those exact grounds. It's hard to find it because the opposite has been spewed around in the echo chamber. If I'm mistaken, that's not a lie. A lie is a witting misstatement of fact. As far as I know, I'm telling the truth.

And that's a side issue anyway. (Not that I've given up looking for the evidence I relied on, I'm still looking.)

What's important is the gravimen of what I said, which you did not deny, and it alone, whether or not they 'supported' him, makes your point a joke:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two guys, one legally there as an accredited poll watcher, in an almost entirely black precinct that had already gone the prior election for the WHITE Democrat Kerry by about a 99% vote? Yeah, they were REALLY influencing the vote there. </div></div>

Complete and utter joke.

LWW
07-27-2011, 03:39 AM
What part of this confuses you?

http://husaria.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/obama_panther.jpg

The NBPP backed Obama ... you lied and said they didn't.

The NBPP showed up at polling places with clubs to intimidate voters. RFK's campaign manager was the key witness ... and he called it the worst instance of voter intimidation he had ever seen. He didn't even want to give testimony unless he was given assurances that the case would be prosecuted. He was given those assurances. The AG had a default judgement because the NBPP didn't even show up ... prima facie evidence that they knew the new thugocracy would actually do nothing. They actually did nothing.

And you excuse all of this while calling names ... I asked if you were an honorable man, and you answered my question.

For that, I thank you.

LWW
07-28-2011, 06:29 AM
So the fact that the NBPP endorsed Obama ... joined "AFRICAN AMERICANS FOR OBAMA" and "1,000 BLACK MEN FOR OBAMA" and "1,000,000 AMERICANS FOR OBAMA" is all it takes for you to qualify as proof that the NBPP didn't back Obama?

Precious ... simply precious.

LWW
07-28-2011, 06:41 AM
What about being on the WHITE HOUSE VISITORS LIST (http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records)?

LWW
07-28-2011, 06:47 AM
Fess up dude ... Shabazz only spoke out about Obama after he realized Obama had used he and the NBPP like a pimp would.

It would do this forum so much good for the cabal to just once face the truth about Obama and stop lying to cover up for him.

I understand y'all are probably quite embarrassed having been totally fooled by dear leader, but denial doesn't help you.

The first step towards recovery is to admit one has a problem, and Obama denial is the left's current main problem.

Do the right thing.

LWW
07-28-2011, 04:29 PM
http://www.purlgurl.net/~puma/graphics/townhall_2.jpg
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"You are about to be ruled by the
black man, cracker."</span>
-Minister King Samir Shabazz-

Do the right things sofa ... denounce the thugocracy and apologize.

Soflasnapper
07-28-2011, 07:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What part of this confuses you?

http://husaria.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/obama_panther.jpg

The NBPP backed Obama ... you lied and said they didn't.

The NBPP showed up at polling places with clubs to intimidate voters. RFK's campaign manager was the key witness ... and he called it the worst instance of voter intimidation he had ever seen. He didn't even want to give testimony unless he was given assurances that the case would be prosecuted. He was given those assurances. The AG had a default judgement because the NBPP didn't even show up ... prima facie evidence that they knew the new thugocracy would actually do nothing. They actually did nothing.

And you excuse all of this while calling names ... I asked if you were an honorable man, and you answered my question.

For that, I thank you.
</div></div>

I relied on a report like this one:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> New Black Panther Party (NBPP): Islamism, racism, violence, hatred


New Panthers' war on whites | Newsnet 14

Oct, 2008

Shabazz is chairman of the New Black Panther Party’s Philadelphia chapter. In black beret atop dreadlocks and a black military uniform, he spends most weekdays near City Hall condemning “crackers” and exhorting black passers-by to rise up against their “slavemasters” – and to give him $2 for the party’s semi-annual newspaper.

He is one of the most recognizable black militants in a city known, since the days of MOVE, for its vocal black-extremism community.

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which monitors hate activity globally, listed the New Black Panther Party as among the most active and tough-talking of black-separatist groups.

Black Hebrews also have grown increasingly active in recent years, according to the SPLC, especially in Philadelphia, where robed street preachers shout out their beliefs daily near City Hall, the Convention Center, Germantown Avenue and other heavily trafficked areas.

Followers of the movement claim that African-Americans are God’s true chosen people because they, not the people traditionally known as Jews, are the real descendants of the biblical Hebrews.

Their views, while often just as extreme, tend to be couched in religious rhetoric about “Edomites” (the descendants of Esau) and such terms that barely slow the stride of most passers-by.

But Shabazz is more blunt in his views:

* On whites: “I’m about the total destruction of white people. I’m about the total liberation of black people. I hate white people. I hate my enemy. . . .”

* On Jews: “I don’t care how much they try to promote the Jewish Holocaust. The African people have suffered a hell of a cost. . . . ”

* <span style='font-size: 14pt'>On Barack Obama and voting: “He’s a puppet on a string. I don’t support no black man running for white politics. I will not vote for who will be the next slavemaster.” Besides, he added, Obama is “a Negro who doesn’t even support reparations for black people in America.”</span></div></div>

Posted on the radical right Free Republic site, and sourced to the Philadelphia newspaper and a Philadelphia television site. (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2548560/posts)

http://www.newsnet14.com/2008/10/30/new-panthers-war-on-whites/]Original links provided at that link, from Philly.com and the local tv website ( [Original link: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081029_New_Panthers__war_on_whites.html )

Now, as the cited piece above begins,

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Shabazz is chairman of the New Black Panther Party’s Philadelphia chapter.</span>

Perhaps you've even heard of him. These quotes from him are real. It was the Philly chapter that sent these guys.

Perhaps this incontrovertible evidence supporting my statements will cause you to reconsider that I lied about their lack of support of Obama, but I doubt it.

Soflasnapper
07-28-2011, 07:26 PM
The NBPP showed up at polling places with clubs to intimidate voters.

True, but only if "THE NBPP" is one guy, and 'places' means 'one place' and 'clubs' means 'one club.'

Soflasnapper
07-28-2011, 07:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fess up dude ... Shabazz only spoke out about Obama after he realized Obama had used he and the NBPP like a pimp would.

It would do this forum so much good for the cabal to just once face the truth about Obama and stop lying to cover up for him.

I understand y'all are probably quite embarrassed having been totally fooled by dear leader, but denial doesn't help you.

The first step towards recovery is to admit one has a problem, and Obama denial is the left's current main problem.

Do the right thing. </div></div>

He condemned him in October of 2008.

Soflasnapper
07-28-2011, 07:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about being on the WHITE HOUSE VISITORS LIST (http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records)? </div></div>

Well, if you meant this guy, he has the wrong middle initial, and the detail shows he came in with 311 other people during a group tour in July of '09.

Which proves that, uh.... in '08 he... uh... was... ??? Hell, that proves nothing whatsoever.

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LWW
07-29-2011, 05:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fess up dude ... Shabazz only spoke out about Obama after he realized Obama had used he and the NBPP like a pimp would.

It would do this forum so much good for the cabal to just once face the truth about Obama and stop lying to cover up for him.

I understand y'all are probably quite embarrassed having been totally fooled by dear leader, but denial doesn't help you.

The first step towards recovery is to admit one has a problem, and Obama denial is the left's current main problem.

Do the right thing. </div></div>

He condemned him in October of 2008. </div></div>

Read closely ... the NBPP supported Obama for POTUS ... they showed up at polling stations with clubs threatening voters ... you excuse and deny because you will slavishly excuse and deny anything and everything which might politically harm dear leader.

I come down on you harder for this than the other resident Obamatrons because I honestly believe you have something they don't, and that's the sense to know the difference between the party line "TRUTH" and reality.

Qtec
07-29-2011, 05:59 AM
LOL

I´m sure he really needed those 2 votes. LOL


There is no NBBP. link (http://www.blackpanther.org/FAQs.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no new black panther party:

An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation. In response to numerous requests from individual's seeking information on the "New Black Panthers," the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn.

Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party's name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party's true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party's banner.

Secondly, they denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party's fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara, was: "A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love." The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.
</div></div>

etc etc etc.....

So, what does the non existent BBBP have to do with the Ohio election fraud.
I thought you guys were really hot on election fraud.


Q..please, no one liner hit and run job. No drive-by post.

LWW
07-29-2011, 06:05 AM
Irrelevant to the point, but as noted ... you and some other cabalists act so stupidly because you lack the intellectual ability to do more.

Soflasnapper
07-29-2011, 06:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fess up dude ... Shabazz only spoke out about Obama after he realized Obama had used he and the NBPP like a pimp would.

It would do this forum so much good for the cabal to just once face the truth about Obama and stop lying to cover up for him.

I understand y'all are probably quite embarrassed having been totally fooled by dear leader, but denial doesn't help you.

The first step towards recovery is to admit one has a problem, and Obama denial is the left's current main problem.

Do the right thing. </div></div>

He condemned him in October of 2008. </div></div>

Read closely ... the NBPP supported Obama for POTUS ... they showed up at polling stations with clubs threatening voters ... you excuse and deny because you will slavishly excuse and deny anything and everything which might politically harm dear leader.

I come down on you harder for this than the other resident Obamatrons because I honestly believe you have something they don't, and that's the sense to know the difference between the party line "TRUTH" and reality. </div></div>

Don't tell me how to read. I read well, unlike some quoted in this thread.

If it's true the NBPP supported him, as for the instant case in question, the Philly chapter, they evidently didn't in the critical time frame of Oct/Nov '08 (whatever they may have later said), and it was their members who were there in early November.

As for slavishly defending the man, my record is clear enough to the contrary. I'll gladly admit anything actually true, even if negative. I just won't agree with the false propaganda attacks you and your sources traffic in.

If you wanted to say he's in bed with the Wall Street masters of universe, I'd say yep. If you said he's a bad negotiator, yes, yes, yes. Does the health care reform bill suck because he cut backroom deals with Big Pharma and Big Insurance? Absolutely. Has he broken campaign promises concerning rolling back incursions on civil rights from the war on terror (tm)? Of course he has. Etc.

There are plenty of accurate criticisms of the man, with which I agree and have said so, and will continue to say so. However, the Alinsky attacks of petty ridicule and political assassination by a thousand paper cuts and smears, throwing all manner of spaghetti on the wall to see if something sticks, I oppose and always will.

LWW
07-30-2011, 04:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it's true the NBPP supported him, as for the instant case in question, the Philly chapter, they evidently didn't in the critical time frame of Oct/Nov '08 (whatever they may have later said), and it was their members who were there in early November.</div></div>

It just isn't in you to admit that you made this up, is it.

Read carefully ... your position boils down to this:

The NBPP endorsed Obama online, in print, and on the airwaves and then showed up at polling stations with billy clubs warning white voters "BE PREPARED TO BE RULED BY THE BLACK MAN" as a way to show that they didn't support Obama.

Are you seriously that far gone that you can convince yourself of such insanity?

Soflasnapper
07-31-2011, 06:21 PM
I didn't make it up. I cited my sources, and you refuse to deal with them. Unless you meant I made up the quotes.

It's hard to know much about the NBPP, since they are a made up org for the media, so far as I can tell. They seem to exist simply to be trotted out on Fox, where they get almost all their national media coverage, to scare the white folks that there is some massive anti-white org out to get them. Which isn't the case, apparently. They promised to get their people to 300 polling places, and managed to get 2 people to 1 such polling place. They are a Potemkin village kind of org, without substance.

If the NATIONAL org (if there is one, I have no idea) may have endorsed O, THE HEAD OF THE PHILLY BRANCH (you know, the city in which this incident took place), DENOUNCED HIM, scant days before the election.

You DO realize, I hope, that local orgs oftentimes disagree with the larger org, and may endorse or withhold endorsing candidates, even if the larger org doesn't endorse, or does endorse, that given candidate.

That's exactly what happened prior to election in WI with regard to endorsing gubernatorial candidate Scott Walker-- local police and fire union locals varied from their state-wide org, and had a different endorsement policy as to his candidacy. (IIRC, the local chapters (likely in Milwaukee) endorsed him, and the state union orgs of the police and firemen did not).

So all you have to question is whether the men SENT from the local Philly branch BY the Philly head of the local org were of his mind-set (as my citations prove his to be-- anti-Obama), or some larger national org's mindset.

Or, discounting these fine points, as I know you have no ability to discern such nuance, you can scream LIAR YOU MADE IT ALL UP, and demand an apology.

Which now, YOU should make forthwith, in my view.

LWW
08-01-2011, 04:14 AM
So now the NBPP is a fabrication of Fox News?

You crack me up brother ... is there no end to the deceit you will use to defend dear leader and the regime?

Apparently not.

Much to your embarrassment, if you were capable of embarrassment:

- The NBPP is older than Fox News.

- The NBPP is an international, not national, organization.

- Malik Zulu Shabazz is the national chairman.

- Malik Zulu Shabazz did endorse Obama.

- The NBPP did endorse Obama.

OH MY! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party)

Qtec
08-01-2011, 10:09 AM
Got a link to their website?

Q

LWW
08-01-2011, 01:43 PM
Doesn't your internet use the google?

Amazingly, being that sofanapper seems to believe they don't exist, I DO HAVE A LINK. (http://www.cbpm.org/nbpp.html)

Gayle in MD
09-14-2011, 11:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>New court filing reveals how the 2004 Ohio presidential election was hacked</span>

by Bob Fitrakis
July 20, 2011

A new filing in the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case includes a copy of the Ohio Secretary of State election production system configuration that was in use in Ohio's 2004 presidential election when there was a sudden and unexpected shift in votes for George W. Bush.

The filing also includes the revealing deposition of the late Michael Connell. Connell served as the IT guru for the Bush family and Karl Rove. Connell ran the private IT firm GovTech that created the controversial system that transferred Ohio's vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush's unexpected victory.<span style='font-size: 14pt'> Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash</span></div></div>

read it. (http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2011/4239)
Q </div></div>


<span style='font-size: 20pt'>We Must Destroy Repiglican Fascism Before It's Too Late! </span>

ugotda7
09-14-2011, 10:30 PM
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!