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Gayle in MD
07-25-2011, 09:17 PM
Oil companies made 77 billion dollars in profits, yet, Repiglicans want to borrow more money, many millions more, and spend it on hand outs to those same Oil Companies.

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ugotda7
07-25-2011, 11:14 PM
Just how stupid are you?

Soflasnapper
07-25-2011, 11:54 PM
GIMD misspoke, I agree. The figure is billions, not millions. Other than that, accurate.

Qtec
07-26-2011, 01:04 AM
I might be wrong but this is what I think he was getting at.


"A tax cut or a tax deduction or tax break is not a handout. All it is is letting me or others keep more of their own money."

This is the thinking of many here.

Q

LWW
07-26-2011, 03:02 AM
Do you disagree?

LWW
07-26-2011, 03:03 AM
Then what are these handouts?

Please be specific.

Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 06:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GIMD misspoke, I agree. The figure is billions, not millions. Other than that, accurate. </div></div>

Any way we slice it, the right has shown their ignorance with this absurd idea they continue to use, that billions upon billions in hand outs to the richest people in the country, doesn't amount to spending. Doesn't amount to social engineering. Oh yes it is, and it is spending.

The right swallows this double talk because the thing thhey do best, is hate their fellow Americans.

Only the right is dumb enough to think that in a society where the disparity between the rich and the rest is expanding at the rates we've seen since Repiglicans first crashed our economy, with their blank check spending, borrowing, warring, failing to regulate, and cutting taxes for the wealthy, while failing to pay for anything, can survive, while the average guy and his family, have lost their futures, the Middle Class, have been the losers, lower wages, outourced jobs, opportunities, consistantly declining.

How irratitonal it is to push this lie that revenues don't matter, after they pushed the lie that deficits didn't matter, for eight years!

The old line PIGS with their "No tax hikes" and their Flyover Piglets, a bunch of radical extremists, ignorant and irrational, all of them bowing down to the demands of the Big Daddy Hog, a yapper who has never even been elected to public office, anywhere, anytime, Grover the Dork, being allowed to run the country by Boehner, Cantor and McConnell????

Q had it right long ago, the inmates have taken over the asylum.

G.

LWW
07-26-2011, 06:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just how stupid are you? </div></div>

The answer to the totality of her stupidity may never actually be known ...

LWW
07-26-2011, 06:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GIMD misspoke, I agree. The figure is billions, not millions. Other than that, accurate. </div></div>

Billions are simply thousands of millions ... but, like most Obama voters, she seems to see a million and a billion and a trillion and a gazillion as all the same number.

Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 06:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I might be wrong but this is what I think he was getting at.


"A tax cut or a tax deduction or tax break is not a handout. All it is is letting me or others keep more of their own money."

This is the thinking of many here.

Q </div></div>

Disparity between the rich and the poor is growing at such a huge rate, even Greenspan is saying that growing disparity is a threat to Capitalism.

Repiglicans are destroying this country, pure and simple.

Higher revennues, are essential, if we are to succeed is lowering the Deficits. WE need to get rid of the Bush Tax Cuts, NOW! We need revenues to deal with the deficits, those same deficits that Repiglicans yapped about for eight years, saying, "The deficits don't matter"

Yet here we are, being threatened to lose our credit rating, and why? Because of two obese know nothings, without honor?

It's Rush and Grover who are the speakers of the house.

One is an overpaid talker of hateful rhetoric and the other lives off the dole from his tax-exempt organizati*on. Such good Americans.


Obviously they still think the deficits don't matter, underneath all their BS bravado.

Repiglicans don't want our country in the black, until the President isn't black!

PIGS!
G.

LWW
07-26-2011, 07:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I might be wrong but this is what I think he was getting at.


"A tax cut or a tax deduction or tax break is not a handout. All it is is letting me or others keep more of their own money."

This is the thinking of many here.

Q </div></div>

Disparity between the rich and the poor is growing at such a huge rate, even Greenspan is saying that growing disparity is a threat to Capitalism.

Repiglicans are destroying this country, pure and simple.

G. </div></div>

Really? Then why did the damage all occur with the democrooks in charge of both houses of congress and the White House?

LWW

Sev
07-26-2011, 08:04 AM
Man she is getting desperate.

The rantings are moving into the twilight zone.

LWW
07-26-2011, 08:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man she is getting desperate.

The rantings are moving into the twilight zone. </div></div>

I was thinking more like the "OUTER LIMITS"

eg8r
07-26-2011, 11:08 AM
Actually it is the Dems that want to borrow the extra money. The reps are fighting for spending cuts.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 11:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually it is the Dems that want to borrow the extra money. The reps are fighting for spending cuts.

eg8r </div></div>

Borrow the extra money? You mean pay the payments due on the humongus debts that Bush and the Repiglicans ran up for years, while telling us "The deficits don't matter!"?

This is about paying our debts. Keeping our word, as a country. Do you ever understand anything? Tuning into Rush everyday, isn't going to give you any clue about what's happening in the country, Ed, you'd think you'd have learned that by now.

G.

eg8r
07-26-2011, 12:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You mean pay the payments due on the humongus debts </div></div>Yes with money they don't have because Obama has increased all that debt even more with no end in sight.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 12:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You mean pay the payments due on the humongus debts </div></div>Yes with money they don't have because Obama has increased all that debt even more with no end in sight.

eg8r </div></div>

The majority of our debts, were spent under George W. Bush!

How many times do we have to tell you?

GWB, remember him? The chimp you voted for TWICE!
The administration who borrowed more money than all previous administrations, combined.
The administration that lost 9 billion dollars in the early days of Iraq?
The guy whose no bid contractors, executed our soldiers in their showers?
The guy who outed a covert CIA NOC AGent?
The guy who used Signing statements one hundred and seventy-six times, or so, to ignore Congressional laws?
The guy who illegally spied on Americans?
The guy who said, "The fundamentals of the econoomy are strong" and kept on saying it, for over a year after we were actually in a recession, and until we were on the brink of a depression?
The guy who wanted to spread Democracy around the world?
The guy who said if we didn't give him over 800 billion dollars we'd be in the worst Depression in history, and it would olast a decade? The guy who told you the deficits didn't matter?
The guy who lied you into a war, for invisible MUSHROOM CLOUDS!
The guy who forgot about bin Laden?
The guy who sold you on his "Ownership Society"?
The guy who couldn't speak the English Language?
Is our children learning?
G.

Sid_Vicious
07-26-2011, 04:07 PM
Gayle...I watched Bill Mayher last night and he expressed my on-going question about how these people in my economic situation, remaind bamboozled by "support the rich" and hose up us,,,that US, the same economic group these people belong to. Did you see that show? It is sad but true how it was explained, and a lot has to do with the Fox network approach to media today.

All good points, and worth repeating here!!!!!!!!!!!!

GWB, remember him? The chimp you voted for TWICE!
The administration who borrowed more money than all previous administrations, combined.
The administration that lost 9 billion dollars in the early days of Iraq?
The guy whose no bid contractors, executed our soldiers in their showers?
The guy who outed a covert CIA NOC AGent?
The guy who used Signing statements one hundred and seventy-six times, or so, to ignore Congressional laws?
The guy who illegally spied on Americans?
The guy who said, "The fundamentals of the econoomy are strong" and kept on saying it, for over a year after we were actually in a recession, and until we were on the brink of a depression?
The guy who wanted to spread Democracy around the world?
The guy who said if we didn't give him over 800 billion dollars we'd be in the worst Depression in history, and it would olast a decade? The guy who told you the deficits didn't matter?
The guy who lied you into a war, for invisible MUSHROOM CLOUDS!
The guy who forgot about bin Laden?
The guy who sold you on his "Ownership Society"?
The guy who couldn't speak the English Language?
Is our children learning?

Especially this one:

The guy who said, "The fundamentals of the econoomy are strong" and kept on saying it, for over a year after we were actually in a recession, and until we were on the brink of a depression?

Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 08:53 PM
Yes, I saw it, Martin, and he is usually on the spot with his comedic, but true summaries of what's going on.

Just read Ed's post, and sigh. The right never learns anything.

Boehner lied, over and over in his speech. The kind of talks, and the kind of cuts, are way, way off, not the kind of cuts we should be having.

Our unemployment rate was brought on by the Bush policies, and our deficits, as well. The only thing the right EVER does, is throw the blame at others, believing that if they lie often enough, over and over, the lies will be believed by their sheep.

Incredibly, it works, not just once in a while, but every damned day.

The two wars in the Middle East, which sucked up Clinton's surplus, and ran up deficits, were brought to us by Bush, and the Neocons.

American's loss of privacy, and freedom, also came with the Bush Administration, they used FEAR, to take our rights away.

The shame which hurt our relationships with other nations, was created by the filthy, common practices of the Bush Administration, inhumane behavior, when they destroyed our honor,broke with the Geneva Conventions Treaty, torturing innocent people, and killing people who never did a damned thing to us here in America.

The huge and unmanageable deficits, brought to us by BUSH, and his unchecked spending, and unprecedented borrowing, for eight years non stop.

The joblessness was brought to us by the Wall St. collapse, that happened under the Bush Agenda.

We do have a job crisis in America, and an unemployment rate that was brought on by the Bush policies, compliments of the blank check Republican majority, period!

And now, Repiglican'e solutions are all about having kid's college tuition go up, retirement for seniors being reduced, medicare and medicaid being slashed, while the hedge fund managers, who made out like bandits under the collapse, continue to pay only fifteen percent on their taxes, while the Middle Class, pays thirty percent.

People making $270,000 paying rates lower than those paying 70,000, in fact, about half as much, and oil and pharma, gouging all of us while Repiglicans pay them subsidies to do it, and worse, allow them to hide their money off shore, while they outsource our jobs.

Repiglicans weren't happy enough about destroying our economy, with Bush's spending, borrowing and growing the deficits, boxing us into a corner, what they want is to destroy the American Dream, altogether.

Do away with the Unions.

Bash our teachers, and taek away their bargaining rights.

Demonize our government workers, both state and federal,

Do away with our social insurance programs, and oversight of our food, water, air, and even transportation safety.

Repiglicans want to destroy everything that makes this the greatest and safest country in which to live in the world, and give everything to their wealthy contributors, the corporate thieves, the American jobs outsourcers, the polluters, the predatory lenders, the financial fraudulent operatives, the pigs, who are just like them.

Class Warfare???

It's only thirty-five years late! Repiglicans have been smothering the Middle Class to death, for thirty-five years, and it started with Ronald Reagan, and the same pigs who were in bed with him, were in bed with the Bush Dynasty, people like Baker, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rove, same who were also in bed with the Saudi's, the bin Ladens, Saddam and the War Profiteering thieves who took us to the cleaners for eight years, while nobody in the Bush Administration cared, or bothered to watch what they were stealing. It was all OK, they were their cronies.

Oh yeah, lets go get those school teachers, and policemen, and firemen, lets blame it all on them, that will solve everything! Those UNION workers, yeah, they were the real thieves and crooks that brought the country to it's knees!

We only have to look to an obese hog, in NJ, a bully like Chris Christie, or a crooked thief, like Rick Scott, or a lying pig like Paul Ryan, or a Koch Brothers puppet like Scott Walker, for direction, and all will be well in America, for surely they will lead us out of the colossal collapse of Bush's America, we won't miss her golden values, her former honor, or her lost future.

Repiglicans destroyed that future we thought we'd leave to our children, long ago, just as we said they would, and they're not finished yet, as you can readily see for yourself. They are pushing for a global collapse, as we write, anything to make Obama a one term president, even if it mean we all lose everything.

IDIOTS!

G.

Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 10:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You mean pay the payments due on the humongus debts </div></div>Yes with money they don't have because Obama has increased all that debt even more with no end in sight.

eg8r </div></div>

No Ed. As usual, you are wrong. Obama hasn't increased the debt more than Bush did. Not even close!

Everybody knows that.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">George Bush owns this deficit
Useless news alert: Tax cuts and war contribute more to our burgeoning debt than Obama's new policies
By Andrew Leonard

Talk about your left-wing blogger link bait! On Sunday, the New York Times published a chart demonstrating the relative contributions to the deficit made by George W. Bush and Barack Obama. Short version: The total cost of new policies initiated during the administration of George Bush: $5.07 trillion. Barack Obama: $1.44 trillion.



Chart:

http://www.salon.com/news/budget_showdow...wns_the_deficit (http://www.salon.com/news/budget_showdown/index.html?story=/tech/htww/2011/07/25/george_bush_owns_the_deficit)



Bush's tax cuts and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are the obvious big-ticket items. The tax cuts, in particular, are the structural-deficit-gift that keeps on giving. As the New York Times observes, if all of the Bush tax cuts "expired as scheduled at the end of 2012, future deficits would be cut by about half, to sustainable levels."

Or, as James Fallows puts it more acidly, "It demonstrates the utter incoherence of being very concerned about a structural federal deficit but ruling out of consideration the policy that was largest single contributor to that deficit, namely the Bush-era tax cuts.

But this is not, by any stretch of the imagination, news. Nor is there any evidence that promulgating this information has any effect on the political process or on popular opinion. And there's a very good reason for this: The debt ceiling is not a fight about the deficit. It's a fight over power and the size of government.

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"Utter incoherence" becomes entirely coherent when one considers that Republican strategy is founded on two things: neutering Obama and rolling back the welfare state. Tax cuts are always good, because eventually they starve the beast. That's how to make sense of the seemingly contradictory actions of a party that just eight months ago voted for a package of tax cuts raising the annual deficit by about $200 billion turning around and suddenly declaring that the deficit is the greatest existential threat the nation faces. How else can we explain Republicans' turning down huge deficit reduction deals, and then settling on a strategy -- a short-term debt ceiling hike -- whose only real attraction is that it directly contravenes the president's oft-expressed desire for a long-term hike? The point is not to fix government finances; it's to deny Obama anything he can call a victory while at the same time slashing the size of government so as to ensure that rich people pay low taxes.

An infinite number of charts pointing out who caused the deficit will never change that dynamic
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Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 10:13 PM
Oh, and BTW, Ed, enjoy your business trips.

Repiglicans are doing away with the FAA, too. Not enough anti-union language to suit them.

Awe, but who needs all that money wasted on air traffic safety while you're flying, anyway!

Get used to it, nothing will be safe, Repiglicans think spending money to keep Americans safe, is wasteful.

And, I'm sure they'll privatize all of it, so we'll end up with safety for profit, hmmmmm, think I know how safe that's going to be.

Get used to it, at least, until we get rid of the Repiglican majority.

It's going to get much worse....thanks to the BUBBA RW voters, same nutjobs who gave us BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH!

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LWW
07-27-2011, 03:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually it is the Dems that want to borrow the extra money. The reps are fighting for spending cuts.

eg8r </div></div>

You know reality riles them ...

LWW
07-27-2011, 03:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No Ed. As usual, you are wrong. Obama hasn't increased the debt more than Bush did. Not even close!

Everybody knows that.
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You are truly a lost cause if you believe this.

The only way the statement stands is by comparing 2.5 years of the Obama regime against 8 years of the Bush regime.

When compared in any other fashion, such as debt incurred in 2.5 years or in an average year, the Obama regime has been the worst in US history ... in fact worst than the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th worst combined.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled delusion.

eg8r
07-27-2011, 08:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No Ed. As usual, you are wrong. Obama hasn't increased the debt more than Bush did. Not even close!
</div></div>I think you are suffering a comprehension problem. I did not say what you did. When Bush left office the deficit was at a certain point. It has since gone up and that is Obama's fault. You really should take some more time to read before responding. Also, while we have realised the actual debt just yet, this HC bill that was put forth will become the biggest deficit driver this country has EVER seen.

eg8r

eg8r
07-27-2011, 08:16 AM
I hope they privatize it sooner than later. The idiots working the security lines are horrible. It will be nice once we get a group of people that work because their performance will drive whether they keep their job. The way it is now they cannot be fired unless they are stealing electronics out of suitcases. Oh wait, your beloved government loser was just caught doing that. Yeah, I feel real safe now.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-27-2011, 09:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No Ed. As usual, you are wrong. Obama hasn't increased the debt more than Bush did. Not even close!
</div></div>I think you are suffering a comprehension problem. I did not say what you did. When Bush left office the deficit was at a certain point. It has since gone up and that is Obama's fault. You really should take some more time to read before responding. Also, while we have realised the actual debt just yet, this HC bill that was put forth will become the biggest deficit driver this country has EVER seen.

eg8r </div></div>

No, wrong again. The AHCB saved money, it didn't add anything to the deficit.

The deficit we face is a direct result of Repiglican policies.

President Obama, saved us from the Bush Depression.

He has created more jobs than Bush did in eight years. Private Sector JOBS.

You simply cannot expect to know the facts when you only slurp up the lies from the right.

As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.

Nothing new.

eg8r
07-27-2011, 09:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, wrong again. The AHCB saved money, it didn't add anything to the deficit.
</div></div>The HC bill is going to be the most costly overrun this country has ever seen. It has not even gone into effect so how could you delusionally think it might have saved any money. Absolute ignorance of all things financially related to the history of our Government.

eg8r

Sev
07-27-2011, 11:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No Ed. As usual, you are wrong. Obama hasn't increased the debt more than Bush did. Not even close!
</div></div>I think you are suffering a comprehension problem. I did not say what you did. When Bush left office the deficit was at a certain point. It has since gone up and that is Obama's fault. You really should take some more time to read before responding. Also, while we have realised the actual debt just yet, this HC bill that was put forth will become the biggest deficit driver this country has EVER seen.

eg8r </div></div>

No, wrong again. The AHCB saved money, it didn't add anything to the deficit.

The deficit we face is a direct result of Repiglican policies.

President Obama, saved us from the Bush Depression.

He has created more jobs than Bush did in eight years. Private Sector JOBS.

You simply cannot expect to know the facts when you only slurp up the lies from the right.

As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.

Nothing new. </div></div>

What?? What???

Somebody get a straight jacket.