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Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 09:31 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59827.html

By JOE SCARBOROUGH | 7/25/11 1:49 PM EDT
WASHINGTON, D.C.— Aug. 3, 2011

It was a financial storm that even an economics professor could see coming. The debt crisis that had gripped Washington for a month came to a sudden, horrifying climax that left America’s economy looking like a nuclear wasteland. Credit markets suffered life-threatening seizures as the stock market dropped a staggering 25 percent. U.S. Treasuries plummeted as Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s downgraded the United States’ credit rating — instantly adding trillions of dollars in interest costs to the national debt. Only gold was on the rise, and its price exploded past $2,000 an ounce.



European markets reacted with understandable alarm while shock waves raced across Asia despite the early morning hour. China remained still, issuing little more than bland assurances, while its leaders quietly relished the fact that the United States of America had undermined its economic standing in a way that the Middle Kingdom could never have done on its own.

The threat of exploding interest rates on home mortgages, cars, student loans and credit cards caused growing concerns. But it was the gutting of 401(k)’s and pension programs that would soon stir panic. Camera shots of citizens lined up outside banks, credit unions and Social Security offices caused commodity prices to collapse less than 30 minutes after those images began flickering on CNBC — and more than a few news commentators drew parallels between the chaos of this day and the early morning hours after the Sept. 11 attacks.

President Barack Obama went before TV cameras to try to calm Americans. Despite his shaky on-air performance, the president’s message was convincing and explained why the overwhelming majority of Americans surveyed in an overnight Gallup Poll blamed Republicans for the financial catastrophe that had quickly brought the world’s largest economy to its knees.

Obama began his short speech by quoting another president.

“Congress consistently brings the government to the edge of default before facing its responsibility. This brinkmanship threatens the holders of government bonds and those who rely on Social Security and veterans benefits. Interest rates would skyrocket, instability would occur in financial markets and the federal deficit would soar. The United States has a special responsibility to itself and the world to meet its obligations.”

The president paused for effect while Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke stood beside him and watched.

“Ronald Reagan said that 24 years ago. It is time that Republicans running the House today follow the 40th president’s wise advice and do the right thing.”

With that, Obama, Geithner and Bernanke left the Rose Garden and walked back into the White House. For the next hour, markets continued to drop. By late afternoon, the New York Stock Exchange and NASDAQ took the extraordinary step of closing their markets.



But the damage was already done. In a day’s time, America’s credit rating had collapsed, the dollar had fallen into disrepute and the life savings of millions of Americans had been wiped out.

Inside the office of the speaker of the House, Jamie Dimon and Jeff Immelt joined Geithner and Bernanke to explain in the bluntest terms possible the stakes that lay before John Boehner’s Republican caucus.



Bernanke summarized their positions.

“Mr. Speaker, this Congress can either pass a long-term deal tonight to bring sanity back to the markets or can expect to face unimaginable economic consequences in the morning.” The Fed chairman stood up to leave but left Boehner with a final jab. “There is no Plan B. Not after Congress’s performance today.”

Boehner glanced over Bernanke’s shoulder to see breaking news on a bank riot in St. Louis. Another screen showed a late-night protest at a Richmond Social Security office. The image of a burning LAPD squad car seemed to be running on an endless loop on Headline News while a commentator was shouting about the “riots caused by the Republicans.”

The speaker knew his caucus was cornered. By the time he entered HC-5 in the bowels of the Capitol complex, most members sensed they were on the wrong side of an epic political rout. By late July, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor had realized that his future in national politics would depend on how quickly he could bring this crisis — which many on Wall Street were blaming squarely on him — to a close.

Boehner entered the grim caucus room and went straight to the podium, telling members that the events of the day had made irrelevant any ideological argument. He was finished in a few minutes and then turned the mic over to Cantor, who told conservatives that the only option left to them was to live to fight another day. Only Michele Bachmann and a handful of freshman members delivered impassioned pleas to keep waging their war on Obama. But those short speeches were written more as fodder for future press releases than to persuade fellow Republicans.

The meeting was quickly adjourned with the understanding that Boehner would immediately call a vote to stop the hemorrhaging of world markets by extending the debt ceiling. In so doing, Boehner and his conservative caucus would be giving the president what he had been asking for all along.

The $4 trillion deal that the speaker had once hoped for was now nothing more than an opportunity lost. His party could have had a historic deal to reduce the national debt. His caucus could have made a real difference. Instead, their intransigence crippled America’s economy and clinched the reelection of Barack Obama.

Soflasnapper
07-26-2011, 10:03 AM
God forbid this take place!

Yet, I guess it's a possibility. I guess Scarborough thinks it's at least possible, hence his warning scenario.

See my thread on Paul Craig Roberts for another scenario as an end game.

We've seen the powers take out the sovereignty of other countries from debt. Seems like the powers are taking down this country in the same way, using the GOP as their pawns.

Excerpt, from Unintended Consequences of Debt Ceiling Intransigence (which see):

We are talking about a crisis beyond anything the world has ever seen. Does anyone think that President Obama is going to just sit there while the power of the US collapses? He doesn't have to do so. There are presidential directives and executive orders in place, put there by George W. Bush himself, that President Obama can invoke to declare a national emergency, suspend the debt ceiling limit, and continue to issue Treasury debt. This is exactly what would happen.

Sid_Vicious
07-26-2011, 10:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">God forbid this take place!

Yet, I guess it's a possibility. I guess Scarborough thinks it's at least possible, hence his warning scenario.

See my thread on Paul Craig Roberts for another scenario as an end game.

We've seen the powers take out the sovereignty of other countries from debt. Seems like the powers are taking down this country in the same way, using the GOP as their pawns.

Excerpt, from Unintended Consequences of Debt Ceiling Intransigence (which see):

We are talking about a crisis beyond anything the world has ever seen. Does anyone think that President Obama is going to just sit there while the power of the US collapses? He doesn't have to do so. There are presidential directives and executive orders in place, put there by George W. Bush himself, that President Obama can invoke to declare a national emergency, suspend the debt ceiling limit, and continue to issue Treasury debt. This is exactly what would happen.
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That exactly what's been on my mind. Ol' Bushy pushed his power around, and made his signing statements, etc...so it makes sense that the groundwork for another president utilizing executive power was there. Besides, in this situation, we are in a national emergency. If there ever was a president with just cause to flex their independent muscle, all by himself, Obama in the one. The system is broken with these idiots we call republicans such as Boehner. I can't stand looking at the guy. He looks half drunk to me, even on a good day.

I don't see that Obama has an actual choice but to do this all alone at the last tick of the midnight hour if it is necessary. He has the moxy and the intellegence. Damned good thing it wasn't the chimp, we'd be f-d for certain. If it had not been for that joker, we wouldn't have this mess today. sid

Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 10:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">God forbid this take place!

Yet, I guess it's a possibility. I guess Scarborough thinks it's at least possible, hence his warning scenario.

See my thread on Paul Craig Roberts for another scenario as an end game.

We've seen the powers take out the sovereignty of other countries from debt. Seems like the powers are taking down this country in the same way, using the GOP as their pawns.

<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Pure RW Insanity! The Shock Doctrine???? </span> </span>

Excerpt, from Unintended Consequences of Debt Ceiling Intransigence (which see):

We are talking about a crisis beyond anything the world has ever seen. Does anyone think that President Obama is going to just sit there while the power of the US collapses? He doesn't have to do so. There are presidential directives and executive orders in place, put there by George W. Bush himself, that President Obama can invoke to declare a national emergency, suspend the debt ceiling limit, and continue to issue Treasury debt. This is exactly what would happen.
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<span style="color: #990000">Read it in full. Good piece.

I recall telling these righties on here years ago, they weren't going to like it when a president of a different party, was utilizing Bush's overreach of Presidential Power, in years to come, and in so many different future situations.

As you might imagine, they didn't listen, just attacked and denied, even more vigoriously, as usual. RWers Are Terminally Out Of Touch With Reality.

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Gayle in MD
07-26-2011, 10:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">God forbid this take place!

Yet, I guess it's a possibility. I guess Scarborough thinks it's at least possible, hence his warning scenario.

See my thread on Paul Craig Roberts for another scenario as an end game.

We've seen the powers take out the sovereignty of other countries from debt. Seems like the powers are taking down this country in the same way, using the GOP as their pawns.

Excerpt, from Unintended Consequences of Debt Ceiling Intransigence (which see):

We are talking about a crisis beyond anything the world has ever seen. Does anyone think that President Obama is going to just sit there while the power of the US collapses? He doesn't have to do so. There are presidential directives and executive orders in place, put there by George W. Bush himself, that President Obama can invoke to declare a national emergency, suspend the debt ceiling limit, and continue to issue Treasury debt. This is exactly what would happen.
</div></div>

That exactly what's been on my mind. Ol' Bushy pushed his power around, and made his signing statements, etc...so it makes sense that the groundwork for another president utilizing executive power was there. Besides, in this situation, we are in a national emergency. If there ever was a president with just cause to flex their independent muscle, all by himself, Obama in the one. The system is broken with these idiots we call republicans such as Boehner. I can't stand looking at the guy. He looks half drunk to me, even on a good day.

I don't see that Obama has an actual choice but to do this all alone at the last tick of the midnight hour if it is necessary. He has the moxy and the intellegence. Damned good thing it wasn't the chimp, we'd be f-d for certain. If it had not been for that joker, we wouldn't have this mess today. sid </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Damned good thing it wasn't the chimp, we'd be f-d for certain. If it had not been for that joker, we wouldn't have this mess today. sid </div></div>


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<span style='font-size: 14pt'>No question about that, my friend! Everything we kept warning the righties about, all of it came true.

Boehner did look hung over on Monday night! LOL, noticed that right away.

Those facial lines of his, deeper, and looked like they had been painted in red, LOL, dead giveaway. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Didn't stop his non stop denials and ridiculous lies though, one right after another, blaming Dems and the President, for everything that he and the Repubs have done of late, blaming the debt on Obama, Ignoring the causes, Bush and the repigs, who are the ones who created the crash, the debts, the two unfinished wars, the loss of honor to this country!

That's why I just want to throw up every time I see Boehner, Cantor and McConnell's faces. BIG SPENDERS!!!!

And the irrational, extremist, radical, Flyover BUBBAS of the Tea Party, Greenhorns on The Hill, Double YUK! They couldn't run a lemonade stand. This Congress looks like a Chinese Fire Drill!</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

G.

Sev
07-26-2011, 11:00 AM
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LWW
07-26-2011, 03:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We are talking about a crisis beyond anything the world has ever seen. Does anyone think that President Obama is going to just sit there while the power of the US collapses? He doesn't have to do so. There are presidential directives and executive orders in place, put there by George W. Bush himself, that President Obama can invoke to declare a national emergency, suspend the debt ceiling limit, and continue to issue Treasury debt. This is exactly what would happen.
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That would be an error of unimaginable stupidity.

But ... if the Obamatrons want a constitutional crisis where dear leader stands in total opposition to the will of the people, he does so at his personal peril.

The Secret Service and US Marshalls wouldn't last 15 minutes against a single US Army brigade.

Soflasnapper
07-26-2011, 11:21 PM
I believe the armed forces would obey their oaths, and the CIC. Those gentlemen are serious, unlike some armchair barroom philosophers extant here.

Do you think they'd join up with the yahoos?

Soflasnapper
07-26-2011, 11:25 PM
We are now in a state of emergency, so far as I know. Since 2001 on that certain day or day after.

The LEGAL powers under emergency decree are... well... unlimited. Flat out unlimited. And it's all legal (like).

These have been long envisioned. People like Ollie North worked on Rex '84, the exercise practicing the suspension of the Constitution, and I guess, the institution of martial law.

When ole Jack Brooks (D-TX) asked Ollie about it in the Iran/Contra hearings, Chairman Inouye (D-HI) hushed him up, said that question could await executive hearings (i.e., private, unrecorded for the public), and that was a necessary hush up I suppose, since these matters are highly classified.

LWW
07-27-2011, 03:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The LEGAL powers under emergency decree are... well... unlimited. Flat out unlimited. And it's all legal (like).</div></div>

Of all the ridiculous things you have claimed ... that is top 5 material.

Soflasnapper
07-27-2011, 04:06 PM
The powers of the president under a declared emergency are basically anything he says-- complete dictatorship. Suspend the Constitution entirely. Seize any property. Tell companies to do whatever he says.

It's what the W administration said was true just under a state of war, even without a declaration of emergency.

This was originally set up in the Reagan administration as the continuity of government planning, concerning the aftermath of a nuclear war. It devolved into another purpose, to control massive rioting and civil disobedience attendant controversial foreign policy actions, such as an invasion of Nicaragua.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Is the State of Emergency Superseding our Constitution? Address to the Commonwealth Club, San Francisco, November 23, 2010

In July 1987, during the Iran-Contra Hearings grilling of Oliver North, the American public got a glimpse of “highly sensitive” emergency planning North had been involved in. Ostensibly North had been handling plans for an emergency response to a nuclear attack (a legitimate concern). But press accounts alleged that the planning was for a more generalized suspension of the constitution at the president’s determination.

As part of its routine Iran-contra coverage, the following exchange was printed in the New York Times, but without journalistic comment or follow-up:

[Congressman Jack] Brooks: Colonel North, in your work at the N.S.C. were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?

Both North’s attorney and Sen. Daniel Inouye, the Democratic Chair of the Committee, responded in a way that showed they were aware of the issue:

Brendan Sullivan [North's counsel, agitatedly]: Mr. Chairman?

[Senator Daniel] Inouye: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch upon that?

Brooks: I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed, by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was an area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.

Inouye: May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session.[1]

Brooks was responding to a story by Alfonzo Chardy in the Miami Herald. about Oliver North’s involvement with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) in planning for “Continuity of Government” (COG). According to Chardy, the plans envisaged “suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, emergency appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and declaration of martial law during a national crisis.”[2]

Reagan had installed at FEMA a counterinsurgency team that he had already assembled as governor of California. The team was headed by Army Col. Louis Giuffrida, who had attracted Reagan’s attention by a paper he had written while at the US Army War College, advocating the forcible warrantless detention of millions of black Americans in concentration camps.“ Reagan first installed Giuffrida as head of the California National Guard, and called on him “to design Operation Cable Splicer. … martial law plans to legitimize the arrest and detention of anti-Vietnam war activists and other political dissidents.”[3] These plans were refined with the assistance of British counterinsurgency expert Sir Robert Thompson, who had used massive detention and deportations to deal with the 1950s Communist insurgency in what is now Malaysia.

At the time few people (including myself) attached much importance to the Chardy story about COG. Chardy himself suggested that Reagan’s Attorney General, William French Smith, had intervened to stop the COG plan from being presented to the President, and in 1985 Giuffrida was forced out of office for having spent government money to build a private residence. But COG planning not only continued, it expanded.

Seven years later, in 1994, Tim Weiner reported in the New York Times that what he called “The Doomsday Project” – the search for “ways to keep the Government running after a sustained nuclear attack on Washington” –had “less than six months to live.”[4]

Weiner’s language was technically correct, but also very misleading. In fact COG planning now simply continued with a new target, terrorism. On the basis of Weiner’s article, the first two books to discuss COG planning, by James Bamford and James Mann, both reported that COG planning had been abandoned.[5] Recently Tim Shorrock in 2008 repeated that “the COG program was abandoned during the Clinton administration,” and Shirley Anne Warshaw in 2009 wrote that “the Clinton administration… shut down the super-secret Project.”[6] But on this narrow point, all these otherwise excellent and well-informed authors were wrong.

What Weiner and these authors did not report was that in the final months of Reagan’s presidency the purpose of COG planning had officially changed: it was no longer for arrangements “after a nuclear war,” but for any "national security emergency." This was defined in Executive Order 12656 of 1988 as: “any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency, that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States.”[7] In this way a totally legitimate program dating back to Eisenhower, of planning extraordinary emergency measures for an America devastated in a nuclear attack, was now converted to confer equivalent secret powers on the White House, for anything it considered an emergency.

This expanded application of COG was apparently envisaged as early as 1984, when, according to Boston Globe reporter Ross Gelbspan,

Lt. Col. Oliver North was working with officials of the Federal Emergency Management Agency . . . to draw up a secret contingency plan to surveil political dissenters and to arrange for the detention of hundreds of thousands of undocumented aliens in case of an unspecified national emergency. The plan, part of which was codenamed Rex 84, called for the suspension of the Constitution under a number of scenarios, including a U.S. invasion of Nicaragua.[8]

In other words, extreme measures, designed originally to deal with an externally directed and devastating nuclear attack, were being secretly modified by a non-governmental group to deal with domestic dissenters: a situation that still pertains today.[9]

The Implementation of COG on 9/11

Clearly 9/11 met the conditions for the implementation of COG measures, and we know for certain that COG plans were implemented on that day in 2001, before the last plane had crashed in Pennsylvania. The 9/11 Report confirms this twice, on pages 38 and 326.[10] It was under the auspices of COG that Bush stayed out of Washington on that day, and other government leaders like Paul Wolfowitz were swiftly evacuated to Site R, inside a hollowed out mountain near Camp David.[11]

But the implementation of COG went beyond short-term responses, to the installation of what Professor Shirley Anne Warshaw calls a ninety-day alternative “shadow government” outside Washington.

Cheney jumped into action in his bunker beneath the east Wing to ensure continuity in government. He immediately began to create his shadow government by ordering one hundred mid-level executive officials to move to specially designated underground bunkers and stay there twenty-four hours a day. They would not be rotated out, he informed them, for ninety days, since there was evidence, he hinted, that the terrorist organization al-Qa’ida, which had masterminded the attack, had nuclear weapons. The shadow government, as a result, needed to be ready to take over the government from the bunkers.[12]

These ninety days saw the swift implementation of the key features attributed to COG planning by Gelbspan and Chardy in the 1980s: warrantless detentions, warrantless deportations, and the warrantless eavesdropping that is their logical counterpart. The clearest example was the administration’s Project Endgame -- a ten-year plan, initiated in September 2001, to expand detention camps, at a cost of $400 million in Fiscal Year 2007 alone.[13] This implemented the central feature of the massive detention exercise, Rex 84, conducted by Louis Giuffrida and Oliver North in 1984.[14]

There was also a flurry of other rapid moves to restructure America’s external and domestic structures – so many that today I can mention only a few. Before doing so I should acknowledge the obvious: that enhanced measures to deal with terrorism are needed, and for some of them we should all be grateful. We should acknowledge also, however, that the most significant achievements against terrorism have been the result of traditional intelligence and police work. As for the War on Terror, the most prominent achievement of Cheney’s ninety days, many experts have asserted that it has created far more terrorists than it has disposed of.

On September 20, 2001, Bush launched the war on terror in a televised address to a joint session of congress, when he said, "Our 'war on terror' begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated." Today we now have about 100,000 US troops in Afghanistan, to deal with an officially estimated 60 members of Al Qaeda. The predictable result has been an expansion of terrorist activities in Somalia, Yemen, and above all Pakistan.

The war on terror was administratively implemented in three National Security Presidential Directives, NSPDs 7, 8, and 9. All three are classified, and the topics of two of them are unknown. The third, NSPD 9 of October 25, 2001, directed the Secretary of Defense to plan military options against both Taliban and al Qaeda targets in Afghanistan.[15]

The October date is misleading. A version of the directive calling for covert action in Afghanistan had been approved by principals on September 4, 2001, one week before 9/11.[16] An enhanced plan for military action in Afghanistan, had been approved by Bush on September 17; and the same document “directed the Pentagon to begin planning military options for an invasion of Iraq.”[17]

Perhaps the most significant domestic product from Cheney’s trimester mirabilis was the Patriot Act of October 25, 2001. Congress was given only one week to pass this 340-page bill, which in the opinion of researchers “was already written and ready to go long before September 11th.”[18] In 2007 the Justice Department acknowledged that FBI agents had abused the Patriot Act more than 1000 times.

We should not forget that the Patriot Act was only passed after lethal weapons-grade anthrax letters were mailed to two crucial Democratic Senators – Senators Daschle and Leahy – who had initially questioned the bill. After the anthrax letters, however, they withdrew their initial opposition.[19] Someone -- we still do not know who – must have planned those anthrax letters well in advance.[20] This is a fact most Americans do not want to think about.

It is generally agreed that, of the three men in National Command Authority on 9/11, Cheney was the ideologue most committed to restoring a presidency that had been weakened by Watergate.[21] Cheney had already declared in his Iran-Contra Minority Report of 1987 his belief that “the Chief Executive will on occasion feel duty bound to assert monarchical notions of prerogative that will permit him to exceed the law.”[22] </div></div>

From, and more at (see here). (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22089)

Also see here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84)

More discussion here. (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.html)

Complete text of the original front page Miami Herald article being discussed in the above, here, with further discussion. (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/secret_white_house_plans.htm)

How this concept could be applied to national emergencies involving bio-warfare,
see this Heritage Foundation article. (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Lecture/The-Model-State-Emergency-Health-Powers-Act)

Gayle in MD
07-27-2011, 08:50 PM
Bush/Cheney was the usual corrupt Republican Administration, but in terms of human rights, and our constitutional rights, they were by far, the most corrupt administration of my lifetime.

Reagan, and Nixon, also corrupt.

IMO, Ford was an honest man, but not a great President, and Eisenhower, was a good president, and honest enough, except with his wife, of course...

LWW
07-28-2011, 02:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe the armed forces would obey their oaths, and the CIC. Those gentlemen are serious, unlike some armchair barroom philosophers extant here.

Do you think they'd join up with the yahoos? </div></div>

Which shows how little you know.

Our forces do not swear an oath of allegiance to the POTUS, or any other public official.

LWW
07-28-2011, 02:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bush/Cheney was the usual corrupt Republican Administration, but in terms of human rights, and our constitutional rights, they were by far, the most corrupt administration of my lifetime.</div></div>

Then why are they not still in power?

LWW
07-28-2011, 02:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The powers of the president under a declared emergency are basically blah blah blah blah</div></div>

It's truly a shame you don't read what you link to.