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LWW
07-27-2011, 04:49 AM
Being that MSNBC has new owners, it's tolerance as an official media outlet of the Obama regime is in serious jeopardy.

First, KO is finally given the boot in the arse he so richly deserved ...now Rchel Madcow seems to be about to cost the network's new ownership $50,000,000.00 plus legal fees.

I hope the Madcow fans digest this and see what a hate filled liar she truly is.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A lawsuit seeking in excess of $50 million has been prepared against MSNBC and its talk-show entertainer Rachel Maddow over statements she made about a Minnesota-based ministry.

Word of the development comes in an announcement from officials with the YouCanRunButYouCannotHideInternational ministry run by former rock artist Bradlee Dean.

The attorney handling the case is Larry Klayman, the founder of Judicial Watch and now of Freedom Watch, who said money is not the issue.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>"This case is filed as a matter of principle," he said. "We need more Bradlee Deans in the world and hateful left wing television commentators must be made to respect not only his mission but the law."

How low can the media go? Meet 'The Anti-Journalists.' Not only do they refuse to report the truth – they attack you if you do</span> ...

He once made a statement on the radio criticizing his fellow Christians for not taking a stronger stand about the "gay" rights lobby promoting homosexuality in the schools. According to the ministry announcement, he made a strong reference to Muslims taking the issue more seriously in the context of Shariah law, but did not condone their practices. It was Bradlee's intent to focus attention on the issue, not to advocate harm to anyone.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Despite the very clear disclaimer by Dean on his ministries website and elsewhere regarding the false accusation that he was calling for the execution of homosexuals</span>, according to the announcement, <span style='font-size: 11pt'>"MSNBC's Rachel Maddow and others seized on and accused Dean on her show of supporting the killing of homosexuals, as is the practice in some radical Islamic countries.</span> This seriously has harmed Dean and the ministry, who pride themselves on respect and love for all people."

The ministry announcement said, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"In an interview earlier this year, MSNBC's president Phil Griffin admitted that the network, to boost its ratings, caters to the so-called 'progressive left.' This explains the malicious attacks on Bradlee Dean and his ministry, which are being used to harm the presidential campaign of Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, who is a conservative Christian."</span> <span style='font-size: 14pt'><span style="color: #3333FF">Attention leftist members ... that translates to MSNBC confessing that they pimp y'all with the lies you want to hear so that they can boost ratings ... which means more ad dolars ... which means more profit.</span></span>

The organization explained in the past, Dean and his ministry have been complemented by presidential candidate Michele Bachmann for their work in promoting values for the nation's youth.

"The left wing media's effort to defame Dean is an obvious way to try to harm Bachmann's presidential prospects," the group said.

An earlier report from the ministry said it was Maddow who featured on her program a quote from Dean, "The Muslims are calling for the execution of homosexuals in America. This was just released yesterday and it shows you that they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God. But they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality's an abomination. If America won't enforce the laws, God will raise up a foreign enemy to do just that."

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>But that was an edited version of Dean's original message, which was a benign warning to the homosexual community that the Bible calls the behavior a sin and there are consequences for sin, so they should "flee" from that. Dean explains he was only trying to guilt the Christian community to take the radical leftist homosexual agenda more seriously.</span>

According to Dean's ministry, his actual statement was:
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Muslims are calling for the execution for homosexuals in America, this was just released yesterday and it shows you that they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible, the Judeo Christian God. They seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do. Because these people are livid about enforcing their laws, they know homosexuality is an abomination. And I continually reach out to the homosexual communities on this radio show, and I warn them, which ones love? Here you have Obama condemning it behind the backs of the homosexuals but to their faces he's promoting it. I say this to my gay friends out there the ones that continuously nitpick everything I say. Hollywood is promoting immorality and the God of the Heavens in Jesus names is warning you to flee from the wrath to come, yet you have Muslims calling for your execution.</span> If America won't enforce the laws, God will raise up a foreign enemy to do just that's what you're seeing in America today. Read Leviticus 26 America.

Klayman told WND that <span style='font-size: 11pt'>the original misapplication of the comments came through writer Andy Birkey of the Minnesota Independent, where he headlined a story "GOP-linked punk rock ministry says executing gays is 'moral'."</span>

The ministry wrote to the newspaper to correct the impression and Birkey noted Dean's statement that, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"We have specifically rejected, as all Christians do, the Islamic doctrine, and actual practice, of executing homosexuals. But some have claimed, in effect, that by merely mentioning the execution of homosexuals (as a criminal practice of Islam), on our radio broadcast, we have suggested it for consideration. Obviously this is absurd. The whole point was to contrast the Islamic position with the Christian position. This may not have been as clear as we would have otherwise planned it to be. Live radio is not scripted. But everyone who knows us knows that this is our position because we have stated it consistently for years…"</span>

But since the original statement, the Independent report, and its followup, Klayman noted, <span style='font-size: 11pt'>the original accusation has spread. The Minneapolis Star-Tribune explained Dean's comments were "read as advocating executions for gay people," KARE Television commented on his "controversial statements about gay persons," and on the City Pages said Dean "has praised religious extremists who execute suspected homosexuals."

ABC jumped into the fray with the blog comment that Dean "has suggested homosexuals be executed."

Activist sites from as Rightwingwatch took it even further, saying that Dean statements include "that Muslim nations that execute gays are more moral than American Christians."

State Democrat-Farmer-Labor Party Rep. Karen Clark accused Dean of saying that "extremists who call for the execution of American gays are morally justified."</span> ...

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>The antagonism against Dean heated up again in just the last few weeks after he, by invitation, delivered a prayer to open the House session at the Minnesota Legislature.

The Associated Press accused Dean of making "derogatory remarks about gay people," though Dean’s prayer made no reference to homosexuality.</span> ...</div></div>

SHAME ON THEM! (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=326585)

Qtec
07-27-2011, 07:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Dean's ministry, his actual statement was: </div></div>

As usual, they are lying. Its a cut and paste job. listen to the bits they left out here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOYF2Og1nMI&feature=player_embedded)

Also.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dean later denied that he was speaking favorably of "Muslims...calling for the execution of homosexuals in America," saying that he is "opposed to the state, in any country, no matter what its religious tradition, in executing homosexuals. [sic] We are against anyone, anywhere, at any time, who executes homosexuals for being homosexual."

During the same show, however, Dean went on to completely fabricate a scary statistic about gay Americans, <u>essentially appearing to claim that all gays and lesbians are habitual sexual predators:</u>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>DEAN: On average, they [gays and lesbians] molest 117 people before they're found out. How many kids have been destroyed, how many adults have been destroyed because of crimes against nature?</span>

Fox & Friends has a history of not appearing to vet its guests. Sometimes, it makes for hilariously uncomfortable T.V. This time, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Fox has elevated yet another wingnut to a mainstream media platform. At what point will Fox News either take responsibility for vetting the guests before allowing them a platform to speak, or take ownership of the hateful positions its guests spout?</span> </div></div>

GOP favourite website (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008100030)

LOL


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If America won't enforce the laws, God will raise up a foreign enemy to do just that's what you're seeing in America today. Read Leviticus 26 America. </div></div>


I read it. What is the punishment for gays in the bible?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: <u>they shall surely be put to death;</u> their blood shall be upon them.[3](Leviticus 20:13 KJV) </div></div>

He is quite plainly saying they deserve to die.

Q

LWW
07-27-2011, 03:35 PM
1 - You have no clue what you are talking about.

2 - The NT replaced the OT.

3 - Your link doesn't dispute what was posted.

4 - That makes no difference to a tool such as yourself.

Gayle in MD
07-28-2011, 06:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Dean's ministry, his actual statement was: </div></div>

As usual, they are lying. Its a cut and paste job. listen to the bits they left out here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOYF2Og1nMI&feature=player_embedded)

Also.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dean later denied that he was speaking favorably of "Muslims...calling for the execution of homosexuals in America," saying that he is "opposed to the state, in any country, no matter what its religious tradition, in executing homosexuals. [sic] We are against anyone, anywhere, at any time, who executes homosexuals for being homosexual."

During the same show, however, Dean went on to completely fabricate a scary statistic about gay Americans, <u>essentially appearing to claim that all gays and lesbians are habitual sexual predators:</u>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>DEAN: On average, they [gays and lesbians] molest 117 people before they're found out. How many kids have been destroyed, how many adults have been destroyed because of crimes against nature?</span>

Fox & Friends has a history of not appearing to vet its guests. Sometimes, it makes for hilariously uncomfortable T.V. This time, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Fox has elevated yet another wingnut to a mainstream media platform. At what point will Fox News either take responsibility for vetting the guests before allowing them a platform to speak, or take ownership of the hateful positions its guests spout?</span> </div></div>

GOP favourite website (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008100030)

LOL


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If America won't enforce the laws, God will raise up a foreign enemy to do just that's what you're seeing in America today. Read Leviticus 26 America. </div></div>


I read it. What is the punishment for gays in the bible?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: <u>they shall surely be put to death;</u> their blood shall be upon them.[3](Leviticus 20:13 KJV) </div></div>

He is quite plainly saying they deserve to die.

Q </div></div>

Bachmann's district is known for one of the highest Teen suicide rates in the country, by not only Gays, but even those mistakenly preceived as Gay, while her Hubby makes money off his Gay Bashing business scam, collecting money from the government, accessing a tax free, "Church/clinic, sort of, lol, like the "Family Values" Repiglican one on C-St., for philandering REpigs to talk about their sex addictions, The Bachmann's "medical" organization is busy talking and praying kids straight, as they replenish their wealth regularly with the Government's money, collecting Farm Subsidies! BWA HA HA HA HA!!!

The small goverrment, kill Fannie and Freddie, no hand outs for the lazy unemployed queen of the Repigs!

Both she, and her husband, have been on the Government dole, throughout their adult lives.

She just got a special government insured loan for an expensive new big house, special mortgage deal...you guessed it... Fannie Mae!


Queen hypocrite, right up there with Palin, who should be teaching a course titled, "Knocked Up! And Loving it!"

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LWW
07-28-2011, 06:50 AM
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Soflasnapper
07-28-2011, 09:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 - You have no clue what you are talking about.

2 - The NT replaced the OT.

3 - Your link doesn't dispute what was posted.

4 - That makes no difference to a tool such as yourself. </div></div>

#2 is #2 (bs).

As the NT says NOTHING about gays, the only thing Christians are referencing is exactly the Leviticus passages, which state it is an abomination and punishable by death. It's the only Biblical statement on homosexuality.

Now, perhaps EVERYBODY mentioned as getting it wrong, actually got it wrong. But it includes media outlets who are NOT pandering to the left (AP?). Is it only MSNBC or RMS being sued? Why not all the other people as well, if they are not?

I'd say the other parties saying the same thing provide an affirmative defense. Given that this man is a public figure, subject to the Sullivan v. NY Times standard for libel of public figures, requiring the showing of actual malice, Rachel Maddow can say she relied on these media reports, and had no idea they were factually incorrect (if there are or were). Hence, no showing of actual malice, bingo, loss of the lawsuit.

LWW
07-28-2011, 09:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 - You have no clue what you are talking about.

2 - The NT replaced the OT.

3 - Your link doesn't dispute what was posted.

4 - That makes no difference to a tool such as yourself. </div></div>

#2 is #2 (bs).

As the NT says NOTHING about gays, the only thing Christians are referencing is exactly the Leviticus passages, which state it is an abomination and punishable by death. It's the only Biblical statement on homosexuality.

Now, perhaps EVERYBODY mentioned as getting it wrong, actually got it wrong. But it includes media outlets who are NOT pandering to the left (AP?). Is it only MSNBC or RMS being sued? Why not all the other people as well, if they are not?

I'd say the other parties saying the same thing provide an affirmative defense. Given that this man is a public figure, subject to the Sullivan v. NY Times standard for libel of public figures, requiring the showing of actual malice, Rachel Maddow can say she relied on these media reports, and had no idea they were factually incorrect (if there are or were). Hence, no showing of actual malice, bingo, loss of the lawsuit.
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You really don't know very much of anything about anything, do you.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

8 For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.

12 <span style='font-size: 11pt'>For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.</span>"

13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 8:7–13</div></div>

Gayle in MD
07-28-2011, 09:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Dean's ministry, his actual statement was: </div></div>

As usual, they are lying. Its a cut and paste job. listen to the bits they left out here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOYF2Og1nMI&feature=player_embedded)

Also.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dean later denied that he was speaking favorably of "Muslims...calling for the execution of homosexuals in America," saying that he is "opposed to the state, in any country, no matter what its religious tradition, in executing homosexuals. [sic] We are against anyone, anywhere, at any time, who executes homosexuals for being homosexual."

During the same show, however, Dean went on to completely fabricate a scary statistic about gay Americans, <u>essentially appearing to claim that all gays and lesbians are habitual sexual predators:</u>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>DEAN: On average, they [gays and lesbians] molest 117 people before they're found out. How many kids have been destroyed, how many adults have been destroyed because of crimes against nature?</span>

Fox & Friends has a history of not appearing to vet its guests. Sometimes, it makes for hilariously uncomfortable T.V. This time, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Fox has elevated yet another wingnut to a mainstream media platform. At what point will Fox News either take responsibility for vetting the guests before allowing them a platform to speak, or take ownership of the hateful positions its guests spout?</span> </div></div>

GOP favourite website (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008100030)

LOL


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If America won't enforce the laws, God will raise up a foreign enemy to do just that's what you're seeing in America today. Read Leviticus 26 America. </div></div>


I read it. What is the punishment for gays in the bible?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: <u>they shall surely be put to death;</u> their blood shall be upon them.[3](Leviticus 20:13 KJV) </div></div>

He is quite plainly saying they deserve to die.

Q </div></div>


<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Brainwashing is a terrible thing. So sad, and they don't even know what's happened to them. </span>
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It is no secret that New Corp employs any and all methods to devastate it's victims and then buy them up when they are wounded and most vulnerable...as highlighted by Rachel Maddow on her show on July 18th. The Murdochs have caused the American elections to be hijacked by Fascist elements for years and indeed caused so much devastation in America through various means of manipulation that it is a welcome thing to have them investigated here in the US.


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The right hates and attacks all those who expose their hidden fascist agenda.

Sadly, removing Murdoch would only be a start, since the fascism has spread in the media to such ann extreme, we're now seeing those who do expose the Radical RW Agenda, are soon banished, as we are seeing more and more of ate.

The Shock Doctrine, is right on schedule.

LWW
07-28-2011, 10:30 AM
Who is this ann extreme that you refer to?

Is that another alias that you maintain?

Soflasnapper
07-31-2011, 07:52 PM
You really don't know very much of anything about anything, do you.

I am well-churched, and moreover, I understand the substance, as well as the form.

The <u>covenant</u> was replaced, not the scripture.

Which is why the Old Testament remains in Christian Bibles. Not as a curiosity, of what used to be important, but as the Holy Word inspired of the Living God.

Do you think Christians want the 10 commandments up on walls because they do not (now) reflect the enduring will of God? Or because THEY DO?

Here's another 3:16 for you, this time from 2nd Timothy, 3:16 (from the King James version):

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Does that mean only scripture in the New Testament? Not to St. Paul, the author, and not to Bible-believing Christians. You may have had instruction from an odd sect that believes that, but it isn't Christianity's teaching from any Christian sect I've heard of, and I've studied this matter.

What is hilarious is that you COULD have corrected me differently and been right, as the NT definitely DOES condemn homosexuality (in the writings of St. Paul). What I knew, but mixed up when I posted, is that JESUS never said anything about homosexuality. Perhaps you knew neither?

But what DID JESUS SAY?

Matthew 5:22

King James Version (KJV)

22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

I do not know your heart, or your religion, but I admonish you, by way of brotherly reproof and instruction, to read and understand this verse.

Soflasnapper
08-03-2011, 12:57 AM
You really don't know very much of anything about anything, do you.

LWW, I take it that when you put this in your reply, you were quoting me (most certainly about you). Since you put it in italics, and that is a normal way I quote others.

Besides the italics clue, it sounds like me (to me), and in fact, I've several times deleted a similar phrase in a reply to you before posting it, or thought it, but held back from typing it.

I apologize for that, if this is right, and will try better to avoid such scorn in the future. However much I'm tempted.

LWW
08-03-2011, 03:50 AM
No ... it just means that you believe you know everything about everything, but actually no almost nothing about anything.

That I can deal with as many people do this, and we all fall into it now and then being human.

What I take issue with is you habit of creating entirely new histories to back up what your claims.

And, FWIW, the covenant is the scripture ... the scripture is the covenant