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Qtec
07-29-2011, 04:46 AM
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vuGE1VxVsYo)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The American Legislative Exchange Council, an organization paid for by corporate sponsors, and hosting regular national gatherings of conservative state legislators from around the country. The purpose: drafting and then handing out ready-made, cheat sheet legislation that can be carried back to home legislatures and introduced as distributed, and all curiously geared to benefit ... the corporate sponsors who pay for the gatherings. </div></div>

link (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/13/994204/-Think-you-know-the-Koch-story-Not-if-you-dont-know-ALEC?via=blog_523953)

It just so happens...........

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Legislature wants to privatize prisons, probation officers

The Legislature wants to hand over control of prisons and probation services to private companies. The Senate’s plan is the most extreme and unexpected.
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BY MARC CAPUTO
Herald/Times Tallahassee Bureau

<u>In what could signal a massive private takeover of public prisons,</u> the Florida Senate <span style='font-size: 14pt'>quietly slipped language into its newly proposed budget Monday that seeks to give corporations the chance to run correctional facilities and probation services in 18 counties</span>

The move — which could shift nearly $600 million to private firms — <u>surprised prison guards, their unions and even the head of the Senate’s Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee,</u> Mike Fasano, who said <span style='font-size: 14pt'>his committee was opposed to the idea of privatizing prisons when it was proposed by Gov. Rick Scott’s aides . “We made it clear that we weren’t interested. We moved on without doing it,”</span> said Fasano, R-New Port Richey. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>“And now it appears in the budget.</span> I’m not pleased. It is a huge, substantive issue. It’s a major policy change and <u>it should have at least been discussed publicly.</u>
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Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/28/2138919/legislature-wants-to-privatize.html#ixzz1TUPTuqe9
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Sneaky dirty Scotty does it again.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The plan’s architect,[ ALEC ] Senate budget chief J.D. Alexander, said the proposal was all about doing more with less and reducing the size of government. “We looked at the work of the subcommittee and realized we needed more savings,” Alexander, R-Lake Wales, said. He estimated the privatization initiatives yielded a 7 percent savings.

The budget language doesn’t appear to favor any one vendor although a leading contender is GEO Group, whose healthcare arm, GEO Care, has contributed at least $126,000 to state parties and candidates since 2009.


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Q....just another reason R Scott should be in jail.

LWW
07-29-2011, 05:54 AM
Other states have done this with great success.

Next nonsense?

Qtec
07-29-2011, 06:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Other states have done this with great success. </div></div>

Done what?

Incarcerate people for profit?

Q

LWW
07-29-2011, 06:13 AM
1 - People are incarcerated for crimes.

2 - Prisons have always been ran for money.

3 - You were spoon fed a lie you wanted to hear.

4 - You will cling to the lie like a hungry dog clings to a soup bone.

Next nonsensical claim?

Qtec
07-29-2011, 06:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 - Prisons have always been ran for money. </div></div>

Don´t talk crap.

Q

Gayle in MD
07-29-2011, 08:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 - Prisons have always been ran for money. </div></div>

Don´t talk crap.

Q </div></div>

Crap is all he has, ever.

LWW
07-29-2011, 09:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 - Prisons have always been ran for money. </div></div>

Don´t talk crap.

Q </div></div>

Call Joliet Federal Penitentiary and ask how many of the guards are volunteers.

Soflasnapper
07-29-2011, 04:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 - People are incarcerated for crimes.

2 - Prisons have always been ran for money.

3 - You were spoon fed a lie you wanted to hear.

4 - You will cling to the lie like a hungry dog clings to a soup bone.

Next nonsensical claim? </div></div>

Of course, a state-run prison system involves paying its personnel. However, it doesn't involve an additional cost to the state of providing an extra payment beyond all costs as the profit margin.

Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona is a bought and paid for creature of the largest private prison company in her state. Several of their former executives and lobbyists are her key aides.

She invented a new category of state crime, making a federal civil violation (i.e., non-crime) into an actual state crime, in order to furnish her employer, the large private prison company, a lot more prisoners to house.

Unfortunately for the financially strapped state, this will cost it many millions of dollars more, while accomplishing nothing good, and making a pariah of her state, subjecting it to economic harm from boycotts.

LWW
07-30-2011, 04:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 - People are incarcerated for crimes.

2 - Prisons have always been ran for money.

3 - You were spoon fed a lie you wanted to hear.

4 - You will cling to the lie like a hungry dog clings to a soup bone.

Next nonsensical claim? </div></div>

Of course, a state-run prison system involves paying its personnel. However, it doesn't involve an additional cost to the state of providing an extra payment beyond all costs as the profit margin. </div></div>

True.

It's much worse than that.

It adds the costs of gubmint waste and inefficiency ... the costs of bloated public union wages and benefits ... the costs of unions demanding more employees than needed so that few actually have a reasonable workload ... the costs of the lack of accounting oversight ... the costs of political cronyism ... the costs of management appointed as political favor instead of merit.

Now ... what was your point?

Qtec
07-30-2011, 06:04 AM
What does this have to do with <u>prison companies writing legislation</u> [ to have it <u>passed into law </u>by crooked republicans ]- who's <u>sole purpose is to fill up their prisons for more profit?</u>

A great example of Capitalism's failings.

It don't happen?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Judges Plead Guilty in Scheme <span style='font-size: 14pt'>to Jail Youths for Profit </span> </div></div>

link (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At worst, Hillary Transue thought she might get a stern lecture when she appeared before a judge for building a spoof MySpace page mocking the assistant principal at her high school in Wilkes-Barre, Pa. She was a stellar student who had never been in trouble, and the page stated clearly at the bottom that it was just a joke.

Instead, the judge sentenced her to three months at a juvenile detention center on a charge of harassment.

She was handcuffed and taken away as her stunned parents stood by.

“I felt like I had been thrown into some surreal sort of nightmare,” said Hillary, 17, who was sentenced in 2007. “All I wanted to know was how this could be fair and why the judge would do such a thing.”

The answers became a bit clearer on Thursday as the judge, Mark A. Ciavarella Jr., and a colleague, Michael T. Conahan, appeared in federal court in Scranton, Pa., to plead guilty to wire fraud and income tax fraud for taking more than <span style='font-size: 26pt'>$2.6 million in kickbacks to send teenagers to two privately run youth detention centers run by PA Child Care and a sister company, Western PA Child Care.</span>

While prosecutors say that Judge Conahan, 56, secured contracts for the two centers to house juvenile offenders, Judge Ciavarella, 58, was the one who carried out the sentencing<span style='font-size: 26pt'> to keep the centers filled. </span></div></div>

Q....but hey, lets stick to more important things like is Obama's BC real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soflasnapper
07-30-2011, 01:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 - People are incarcerated for crimes.

2 - Prisons have always been ran for money.

3 - You were spoon fed a lie you wanted to hear.

4 - You will cling to the lie like a hungry dog clings to a soup bone.

Next nonsensical claim? </div></div>

Of course, a state-run prison system involves paying its personnel. However, it doesn't involve an additional cost to the state of providing an extra payment beyond all costs as the profit margin. </div></div>

True.

It's much worse than that.

It adds the costs of gubmint waste and inefficiency ... the costs of bloated public union wages and benefits ... the costs of unions demanding more employees than needed so that few actually have a reasonable workload ... the costs of the lack of accounting oversight ... the costs of political cronyism ... the costs of management appointed as political favor instead of merit.

Now ... what was your point? </div></div>

My point evidently escaped you, as you stopped reading as of the end of the partial quote you cited?

Large bureaucracies always have inefficiencies, waste fraud and abuse, but a cost-plus private bureaucracy both has an incentive to pad such additional costs, AND a need to make a profit all on top of it all, which is a dead lost cost for these private arrangements, providing no service for that money.

Qtec
07-31-2011, 03:41 AM
Personally, I can't think of anything worse than depriving someone of his freedom for profit.

Its barbaric.

Q

Stretch
07-31-2011, 05:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I can't think of anything worse than depriving someone of his freedom for profit.

Its barbaric.

Q </div></div>

That's what Corporate America is all about. St.

Qtec
07-31-2011, 05:40 AM
watch this (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-exposing-private-prison-indu)

Q

Gayle in MD
07-31-2011, 07:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I can't think of anything worse than depriving someone of his freedom for profit.

Its barbaric.

Q </div></div>

That's what Corporate America is all about. St. </div></div>

Yes it is, and that's why Repiglican policies, deregulation, hidden contributions from multi-national corporations, compliments of the RW radical activist Supreme Court, dirty food, air water, higher health costs, all tied to the Repiglicans and their on-going deregulation of polluting corporations.

One can only assume that those who continue to vote for Repigs, those Christian Family Values folks, the For Profit anything goes, as long as it increases the corporate bottom line, do not care about the health of their own kids and grand kids.

It cannot be denied, Repigs protect polluters, and that alone increases Cancer rates, stops R & D, IOW, job creation, raises health costs, destroys God's beautiful Earth.

Some Christians, huh?

For profit without regulations, means corruption, period, and pushing for that in the criminal justice system, destroys everyone's safety and their Constitutional rights.

Repiglican voters are too stupid to cocnnect dots!

Everrytime I hear or read anyone from the right use the words freedom, or justice or liberty, it makes me want to throw up the hypocrisy is so pervasive. Particularly when it is someone who defends cold blooded murderers.

G.