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LWW
07-29-2011, 07:01 AM
Here's my take.

The democrooks in congress, as a whole, will campaign promising to do one thing and then slavishly do whatever the party bosses and special interest donors tell them to do ... secure in the knowledge that the far left voter will believe their lies next time around.

The RINO's in congress, as a whole, will campaign promising to do one thing and then cowardly do whatever the democrooks in congress and media elites tell them they should do in order for them to be "LIKED" by those entrenched in DC ... secure in the knowledge that the center left will believe their lies next time around.

The Tea Party member is in congress, as a whole, campaigned promising to actually deliver change and have so far refused to cave, They have stood on principle and remained true to the voters of their district.

Rather than seeking to advance the power of the state and further deprive their constituents of liberty, they have stood down the old school power brokers and taken their oath to defend the COTUS seriously.

That is what befuddles the far left ... they simply can't comprehend how a member of congress can not want to grab more power for the state?

In their world ... the democrooks are supposed to pimp their voters that they are protecting them from abuse by the <span style='font-size: 11pt'>EEEVILLL</span> capitalists, while they abuse them at will.

At the same time they see the RINO's as a group tat is supposed to pimp their voters that they are protecting them from abuse by the <span style='font-size: 11pt'>EEEVILLL</span> democrooks , while they abuse them at will.

In their view ... both democrooks and RINO's are supposed to rail against special interests, while being owned by special interests, and count on the abject ignorance of their voter base to get away with it.

They simply cannot get a grasp that America still produces people of character who gain political office for the good of the nation and not to rob future generations for personal gain.

TEA PARTY CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS ... I SALUTE YOU!

Neither the RINO's nor the democrooks have a majority, and they will never actually publicly join together as that screw up their game ... the bots cannot be allowed to know of their treachery.

If you stand your ground ... you will win.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4803200621_a4c328ddc1.jpg

Now, please, fix bayonets and stand your ground, you are all that stand between the forces of tyranny and a well armed citizenry that has had enough.

Good men and women, the republic is counting on you.

Soflasnapper
07-29-2011, 05:10 PM
Some may be honorable men and women, but they are woefully uninformed and easily led by astro-turfing billionaire Libertarians who ARE out for their own pocketbooks.

They somehow got the impression that our intricately set balance of power arrangements set by the Constitution are really intended to give a veto power to a small rump caucus in one half of one branch of government.

This is an astounding way to honor the Constitution, especially as it explicitly states the national debt shall not be brought into question.

As I say, ignorant and very easily led.

ugotda7
07-29-2011, 05:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some may be honorable men and women, but they are woefully uninformed and easily led by astro-turfing billionaire Libertarians who ARE out for their own pocketbooks. </div></div>

BS...........

Soflasnapper
07-29-2011, 05:21 PM
You think the Koch brothers are entirely altruistic actors in all of this, and not interested in getting changes in regulation to gain additional profits for themselves?

Interesting. But naive.

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LWW
07-30-2011, 05:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some may be honorable men and women, but they are woefully uninformed and easily led by astro-turfing billionaire Libertarians who ARE out for their own pocketbooks.

They somehow got the impression that our intricately set balance of power arrangements set by the Constitution are really intended to give a veto power to a small rump caucus in one half of one branch of government.

This is an astounding way to honor the Constitution, especially as it explicitly states the national debt shall not be brought into question.

As I say, ignorant and very easily led. </div></div>

Let's look at what Chuck Todd said on MSNBC:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'><u>CHUCK TODD:</u></span> Boehner ... Cantor ... and McCarthy were ... linked ... in this. This isn't necessarily about John Boehner not being able to corral these folks. The question is could any Republican speaker have corralled these votes at this time. <span style='font-size: 11pt'>Here's the issue they had: They can't buy them off. They don't want earmarks, they don't care about their committee assignments -- and many of these newcomers didn't get there raising a lot of money anyway so being promised fundraising all that doesn't work.</span> It may be refreshing on one hand, but it makes it that much harder to try to arm-twist and get this vote count to happen.</div></div>


Or perhaps you prefer CNN:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>BORGER:</span> He ran up against freshmen who don't owe him anything, Anderson. <span style='font-size: 11pt'>They were elected outside of the establishment, and honestly a lot of them don't care if they get reelected.

They believe they were sent to Congress to make government smaller and, duhh, to cut the deficit, and this is what they intend to do -- and they believe that the Boehner bill is not strong enough because they understand that, at some point, there's going to have to be a compromise. So they want the House to have the strongest possible bargaining position that it can have.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>COOPER:</span> Gloria, it seems when you talk to some <span style='font-size: 11pt'>they don't care necessarily about being reelected. </span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>BORGER:</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>No! They don't!</span></div></div>

So a couple of things are proven here:

1 - Take whatever the cabal here claims, and turn it upside down.

2 - The far left is completely mystified that these new congressional members actually stand on principle and put the interests of the nation ahead of their personal political ambitions ... something the democrooks and RINO's could never do.

You may now continue your regularly scheduled delusion.

Qtec
07-30-2011, 05:54 AM
There is no Tea party. What's generally called the Tea Party is the extreme minority wing of the Republican party that has been astro-turfed into a 'third party'.

they are led by the nose.

Q..ie spoon fed.

Qtec
07-30-2011, 05:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">uninformed and easily led </div></div>

ie , exploited.

Q

Gayle in MD
07-30-2011, 08:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no Tea party. What's generally called the Tea Party is the extreme minority wing of the Republican party that has been astro-turfed into a 'third party'.

they are led by the nose.

Q..ie spoon fed. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tea Party is the extreme minority wing of the Republican party </div></div>

I think it started that way, financed by Koch, and other greedy corrupt organizations, like the U.C. Chamber of Commerce, another shadow RW organization, and promoted by Fox, but now, the entire Repiglican party is a party of extremists, IMHO.

And actually, Repiglican policies prove that Repigicans were extremists even before the ultra stupid, ultra extremist Tea Party was brain washed, by Fox and corporate interests, of course.


You said it best long ago, "The inmates have taken over the asylum."

So true.

G.
G.

Soflasnapper
07-30-2011, 01:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some may be honorable men and women, but they are woefully uninformed and easily led by astro-turfing billionaire Libertarians who ARE out for their own pocketbooks.

They somehow got the impression that our intricately set balance of power arrangements set by the Constitution are really intended to give a veto power to a small rump caucus in one half of one branch of government.

This is an astounding way to honor the Constitution, especially as it explicitly states the national debt shall not be brought into question.

As I say, ignorant and very easily led. </div></div>

Let's look at what Chuck Todd said on MSNBC:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'><u>CHUCK TODD:</u></span> Boehner ... Cantor ... and McCarthy were ... linked ... in this. This isn't necessarily about John Boehner not being able to corral these folks. The question is could any Republican speaker have corralled these votes at this time. <span style='font-size: 11pt'>Here's the issue they had: They can't buy them off. They don't want earmarks, they don't care about their committee assignments -- and many of these newcomers didn't get there raising a lot of money anyway so being promised fundraising all that doesn't work.</span> It may be refreshing on one hand, but it makes it that much harder to try to arm-twist and get this vote count to happen.</div></div>


Or perhaps you prefer CNN:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>BORGER:</span> He ran up against freshmen who don't owe him anything, Anderson. <span style='font-size: 11pt'>They were elected outside of the establishment, and honestly a lot of them don't care if they get reelected.

They believe they were sent to Congress to make government smaller and, duhh, to cut the deficit, and this is what they intend to do -- and they believe that the Boehner bill is not strong enough because they understand that, at some point, there's going to have to be a compromise. So they want the House to have the strongest possible bargaining position that it can have.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>COOPER:</span> Gloria, it seems when you talk to some <span style='font-size: 11pt'>they don't care necessarily about being reelected. </span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>BORGER:</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>No! They don't!</span></div></div>

So a couple of things are proven here:

1 - Take whatever the cabal here claims, and turn it upside down.

2 - The far left is completely mystified that these new congressional members actually stand on principle and put the interests of the nation ahead of their personal political ambitions ... something the democrooks and RINO's could never do.

You may now continue your regularly scheduled delusion. </div></div>

Actually, it is EXACTLY CRAVEN SELF-INTEREST that dictates the GOP follow its rump caucus over the cliff.

These people know they face primary challenges unless they meet the expectations of their feral supporters, and wish to keep their jobs, or at least, have a better chance, by avoiding a primary challenge.

It's what McCain did when attacked by TParty favorite JD Hayworth, from his right. It's what McConnell is doing, what Boehner is doing, what Orrin Hatch is doing, what Eric Cantor is doing.

All, professional politicians hewing to the TParty platform, which they did NOT run on or get elected on. And the TParty platform is dictated, top down, from the billionaire-funded 'grass roots' orgs, and the several decades'-long activities of the Federalist Society (for RW judges) and ALEC (guiding the ambush tactics of all the just-elected RW governors).

Creepy secretive fascistic orgs that are now in position to, boa-constrictor-like, squeeze the American system until its eyes pop out, and it expires from lack of oxygen.

In the name of personal and Constitutional freedoms, no less.

LWW
07-30-2011, 02:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no Tea party. What's generally called the Tea Party is the extreme minority wing of the Republican party that has been astro-turfed into a 'third party'.

they are led by the nose.

Q..ie spoon fed. </div></div>

Then why is Todd/CNN/MSNBC saying otherwise?

What evidence of this do you have?

What's that?

It was spoon fed to you, and you never question the spoon?

LWW
07-30-2011, 02:36 PM
Your shrill screeches are getting ever more desperate.

Soflasnapper
07-30-2011, 03:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your shrill screeches are getting ever more desperate. </div></div>

??? But you must admit they are beautifully phrased. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Soflasnapper
07-30-2011, 03:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no Tea party. What's generally called the Tea Party is the extreme minority wing of the Republican party that has been astro-turfed into a 'third party'.

they are led by the nose.

Q..ie spoon fed. </div></div>

Then why is Todd/CNN/MSNBC saying otherwise?

What evidence of this do you have?

What's that?

It was spoon fed to you, and you never question the spoon?

</div></div>

The TParty is a media-enabled creation. Clearly, they are simply the far right of the GOP, with so few exceptions as to be meaningless.

Yes, the 'Villagers,' the talking heads who are from and make up the Washington Beltway consensus (which is almost always wrong, btw), have indeed granted them some kind of independent existence apart from the Republican Party.

But let's be honest. When have you ever cited Todd, Gloria Balger, CNN hosts, or any of this lot as accurate authorities on ANYTHING? And why would you be changing that position now?

LWW
07-30-2011, 04:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your shrill screeches are getting ever more desperate. </div></div>

??? But you must admit they are beautifully phrased. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

</div></div>

No, they are desperate and pitiful rants.

What are they?

According to you they are irrelevant while being in total control and bought and paid for while being insanely independent.

In reality, as was the point of this thread, they are something the far left cannot comprehend ... men and women of true principle serving in congress.

You may not agree with their principles, as is your right, but to deny that they have them and are staying true to them only makes you come across as just another pitiful owned mouthpiece of the regime.

Meanwhile ... they are winning.

Soflasnapper
07-30-2011, 04:13 PM
Or so sez you.

Fortunately, your views represent a tiny minority of the country, where instead the vast majority view their petty positions as pigheaded obstinacy, refusing to take yes as an answer.

I ask again, what in the Constitution gives a fraction of the majority of the House of Representatives veto power over the entire functioning of the federal government? Even the grant of a REAL veto power by the COTUS (to the POTUS) admits a method of overturning even that grant of power.

What they are doing is quite beyond the framework of our system, and amounts to the very gangster government some (Bachmann, for one) accused Obama of while he passed things in normal Constitutional order, strictly by the book, even while facing the unprecedented laying on of non-Constitutional filibuster rules for almost everything the Senate does.

They are so ignorant that they've prescribed the functioning of our republic to be by right (???) the operation of mob democracy, where if the federal government does anything that polls badly in the short term, that represents absolute tyranny.

If they don't know better, they are abysmally misinformed.

Presuming they do know better, they are the worst kind of cynical hypocrite traitors to our system imaginable.

Soflasnapper
07-30-2011, 04:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your shrill screeches are getting ever more desperate. </div></div>

??? But you must admit they are beautifully phrased. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

</div></div>

No, they are desperate and pitiful rants.

What are they?

According to you they are irrelevant while being in total control and bought and paid for while being insanely independent.

In reality, as was the point of this thread, they are something the far left cannot comprehend ... men and women of true principle serving in congress.

You may not agree with their principles, as is your right, but to deny that they have them and are staying true to them only makes you come across as just another pitiful owned mouthpiece of the regime.

Meanwhile ... they are winning. </div></div>

Here's the <s>GOP</s> Tea Party members of the House staying true to their principles:

From Politico:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The story of how Boehner passed his debt ceiling package was personal, one-on-one attention — the same kind of tactics he’ll have to rely on as he likely cobbles together House Republican support for a final compromise to avoid a default on the nation’s $14.3 trillion debt.

House GOP leaders declared privately about how they “turned” dozens of members from opposition to support for the bill leading up to Friday’s votes. But the ugly reality was that the speaker had to turn those dozens of members to back his package in the first place.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60272.html#ixzz1Td8g9eT2
</div></div>

LWW
07-31-2011, 02:28 AM
And again with the deceit.

Why did you truncate the article?

What's that?

If you had posted the article in it's entirety you would have had to disclose that it was in fact the TPM which "TURNED" Boehner to include the balanced budget amendment in the bill ... and even then Boehner had 22 defections.

In the end you have, once again, proven my point ... the left can't comprehend that there are members of congress who don't slavishly vote as the party demands them to vote.

You are a fine and faithful servant of the regime sofa ... perhaps the regime will grant you a couple of extra spoons of potato soup for sustenance as your reward once the destruction of American capitalism is complete.

Qtec
07-31-2011, 02:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the end you have, once again, proven my point ... the left can't comprehend that there are members of congress who don't slavishly vote as the party demands them to vote. </div></div>

What you have is some people who won't accept reality. The Dems are never going to pass CC&B or a BB Amendment that requires a change to the USCON

You want the whole country to bow down to demands made by a lunatic ignorant fringe. These are the people who were out protesting about tax increases when they just got a tax cut.


Q

LWW
07-31-2011, 03:40 AM
Actually ... the electorate sent them there to do what they are doing.

Elections mean things.

But, thanks for confirming that the democrooks in the senate are thwarting the will of the people.

Qtec
07-31-2011, 04:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually ... the electorate sent them there to do what they are doing.

Elections mean things.

But, thanks for confirming that the democrooks in the senate are <u>thwarting the will of the people</u>. </div></div>

What % of the voting pop does the TP represent?

Its the TP that's <u>thwarting the will of the people</u>. They are the MINORITY and they are holding the country to ransom to get their way.

Everyone can see that except you and your posse.


Q

LWW
07-31-2011, 06:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually ... the electorate sent them there to do what they are doing.

Elections mean things.

But, thanks for confirming that the democrooks in the senate are <u>thwarting the will of the people</u>. </div></div>

What % of the voting pop does the TP represent?

Its the TP that's <u>thwarting the will of the people</u>. They are the MINORITY and they are holding the country to ransom to get their way.

Everyone can see that except you and your posse.


Q </div></div>

Your problem is that your perception is that a handful of moonbat crazy leftists on MSNBC represent the opinion of the American people.

But, to answer your question, according to the REICH WING CNN (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/07/two-thirds-americans-support-house-cut-cap-and-balance-plan) the US population overwhelmingly backs the cut cap and balance and overwhelmingly rejects the Obam/democrook tax and spend insanity:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CNN just released a poll of 1,000 Americans showing overwhelming support for the House Republican approach to the debt limit crisis. Specifically, 66 percent of Americans favor a deal where both houses of Congresses pass a balance budget amendment, and substantial cuts and caps on future spending, in exchange for a debt limit hike.

As a stand-alone measure, 74 percent of Americans favor a constitutional amendment to require a balanced federal budget. And 60 percent of Americans believe a balanced budget amendment is necessary to get federal deficits under control.

The poll is not all bad news for President Obama. Sixty-six percent of Americans do support a plan to cut four trillion dollars in government spending and raise taxes as part of a debt limit hike. </div></div>

I can take you to knowledge, I can't make you think.