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Gayle in MD
07-29-2011, 12:26 PM
Republicans are recklessly holding our country's economy hostage during debt standoff with Democrats
BY Michael Cohen

On the surface, the current debt limit debate appears to be a traditional argument between Republicans and Democrats over spending and tax priorities and two seemingly incompatible visions about the role of government - a discussion that Americans have been having for more than a century.

What is different now are the tactics being utilized - the threatening of economic cataclysm as a policy tool.

It represents a fundamental breakdown of our national politics and the entering of a dangerous new phase in which extreme political brinkmanship risks becoming an accepted means of forcing policy changes.

To be sure, this fiscal debate would be appropriate in the context of budget negotiations. The reason it is occurring around the debt limit is, in part, because it gives Republicans that much more leverage to achieve their goals. The country can weather a government shutdown if it doesn't pass a budget; it can't easily weather a debt default.

By using the blunt instrument of default Republicans will likely, in the end, force Democrats to cut trillions in spending without any commensurate tax increases.

They will emerge victorious from this fight not because they are necessarily right or Americans support their cuts-only approach (they don't), but rather because they are willing to nihilistically sabotage the US economy.

They are doing so in order to achieve the larger policy goal of reducing the size of government and the political goal articulated last year by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of turning President Obama into a one-term President.

It's hard to think of any other situation in American history where a political party has taken such a scorched earth approach to policy-making.

One should be dismayed about what that means.

Refusing to raise the debt limit is a radical measure that is the policy equivalent of holding a gun to the head of the country's economy and its full faith and credit.

While Republican leaders have 'said' they won't let the country default (although GOP presidential candidates have spoken far more positively about the possibility), the very fact that they have followed a course that could lead to that outcome represents a troubling transformation in our national politics.

How can any sort of compromise be achieved when one party is willing to act so recklessly?

We have, for the lack of a better phrase, entered the world of 'any means necessary' politics, in which any tool at a party's disposal - including holding the country's economy hostage - is considered fair game.

As President Obama said the other day, this is simply no way to run a country.

Michael Cohen, a senior fellow at the American Security Project, is editor of "Live from the Campaign Trail: The Greatest Presidential Campaign Speeches of the Twentieth Century and How They Shaped Modern America."

LWW
07-29-2011, 12:38 PM
TRANSLATED:

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eg8r
07-29-2011, 01:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans are recklessly holding our country's economy hostage during debt standoff with Democrats
BY Michael Cohen
</div></div>And by saying "recklessly holding" Michael means "acting like the Democrats".

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-29-2011, 01:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans are recklessly holding our country's economy hostage during debt standoff with Democrats
BY Michael Cohen
</div></div>And by saying "recklessly holding" Michael means "acting like the Democrats".

eg8r </div></div>

Typical revisionist RW slant, and Again, no surprise.

eg8r
07-29-2011, 01:37 PM
It is a shame that reality escapes you and even when shown the light you cover your eyes.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
07-29-2011, 01:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a shame that reality escapes you and even when shown the light you cover your eyes.

eg8r </div></div>

It's a shame that you never know what you're talking about.

Rather than argue, here's a whole page from google, showing poll after poll, the public blames the Republicans for this mess, not President Obama, and not the Democratic Party.



Past hour
Search ResultsRepublicans Would Bear Most Of The Blame If Debt Limit Isn't Raised
http://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-would-bear-most-of-the-blam... - CachedJul 14, 2011 – Poll shows more Americans believe Obama is more trustworthy on the economy.
Blame Republicans for the Debt Ceiling Crisis - Peter Fenn (usnews ...
http://www.usnews.com › Opinion › Peter Fenn - Cached23 hours ago – Blame Republicans for the Debt Ceiling Crisis. By Peter Fenn ... most important, without two wars that the Republicans and Bush failed to ...
Get more results from the past 24 hours
More voters would blame Republicans than Obama in absence of debt ...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20079483-503544.html - CachedAdd to iGoogle
Jul 14, 2011 – New survey says more voters would blame Republicans, rather than the president, in absence of debt limit deal Read more by Lucy Madison on CBS News' . ... than the democrats . . . . those who shoulder the most blame, ...
Poll: If Debt Ceiling Compromise Not Reached -- Blame Republicans ...
news.yahoo.com/poll-debt-ceiling-compromise-not-reached-blame- ... - CachedJun 24, 2011 – Read 'Poll: If Debt Ceiling Compromise Not Reached -- Blame ... Poll notes that most would blame Republicans if the debt ceiling were ...
Polls: Americans will blame Republicans for no debt ceiling deal ...
http://www.mlive.com › Michigan Politics & Elections › Business - Cached3 days ago – The debt ceiling debate is unfortunately more about politics than ... A CBS poll found 49 percent would blame Republicans if there's no deal .... As such, most of these expenses were not included in the budget deficit ...
Q-poll: GOP will get blame if debt ceiling not raised « Hot Air
hotair.com/.../q-poll-gop-will-get-blame-if-debt-ceiling-not-raised/ - CachedJul 14, 2011 – Q-poll: GOP will get blame if debt ceiling not raised. ... Most analysts reviewing the latest Quinnipiac poll have focused on the fact that ...
Nobody's Impressing Voters Right Now, but Republicans Facing Most ...
http://www.wnyc.org/.../nobodys-impressing-voters-right-now-republican... - CachedJul 14, 2011 – As the debt ceiling negotiations get scrappier, a new poll shows ... Nobody's Impressing Voters Right Now, but Republicans Facing Most Blame ...
The Debt Ceiling and Blame for Obama and the GOP — The Monkey Cage
themonkeycage.org/.../the-debt-ceiling-and-blame-for-obama-and-t... - CachedJul 14, 2011 – The Debt Ceiling and Blame for Obama and the GOP ... they'll blame the GOP and not Obama if most Americans actually wanted to increase the ...
Poll: More say 'blame the GOP' if debt ceiling deal isn't reached ...
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/.../poll-more-say-blame-the-gop-if-de... - CachedJun 20, 2011 – Poll: More say 'blame the GOP' if debt ceiling deal isn't .... is not hard to understand that "most" will blame the Repubs who want to keep ...
Voters mostly blame Republicans for debt-limit deadlock | Capitol ...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/41458 - CachedJul 19, 2011 – 24 Comments for “Voters mostly blame Republicans for debt-limit deadlock” ... and definitively and which party they hate the most and why? ...


Admittedly, this isn't a tiddy way to make my point, but, the fact is, when one does study the polling data, most wil blame the Republicans for this fiasco, AND, unless you've been living in a hole in the ground, you'd surely know by now what this fiasco, created by Republicans, has done economically, already, if you pay any attention at all to the markets.

Now, go take a run, or a swim, gotta tell you, much as you do piss me off, I am proud of the way you have stuck to your exercise regime.

Other than that, you piss me off... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

G.

ugotda7
07-29-2011, 04:34 PM
Dementia.....a terrible thing.

LWW
07-30-2011, 04:26 AM
Isn't it astounding that charlotte, just like the democrooks, worry most about polling numbers and least about what is good for the nation.

Sev
07-30-2011, 11:18 AM
I cant wait to here the caterwauling if the Adkins business goes under due fallout from the debt ceiling.

llotter
07-30-2011, 12:12 PM
They don't call the Republicans the 'stupid party' for nothing. No doubt that they will end up with the lions share of the blame and that's what they deserve for their spineless handling of the whole affair.

Sev
07-30-2011, 12:26 PM
I always have had a hard time understanding what they are so afraid of.
What they need to do is get rid of the rest of the establishment republicans.

Its a pretty sad state of affairs when individuals that are trying to hold the line on fiscal responsibility are call terrorists.

LWW
07-30-2011, 02:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I cant wait to here the caterwauling if the Adkins business goes under due fallout from the debt ceiling. </div></div>

According to the mole it has been on wobbly legs since dear leader's immaculation.

Qtec
07-31-2011, 12:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a shame that reality escapes you and even when shown the light you cover your eyes.

eg8r </div></div>

The reality is,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Refusing to raise the debt limit is a radical measure that is the policy equivalent of holding a gun to the head of the country's economy and its full faith and credit. </div></div>

Raising the debt limit is normal and necessary.

Between a vote in 2004, and another in 2002, many of these Republicans took to the floor of the House to defend a debt ceiling hike as not only necessary, but as a basic matter of responsibility and good governance. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDYLaHQTPj0&feature=player_embedded)

Q

LWW
07-31-2011, 03:28 AM
You sound like the guy who traded in his 2007 model car on a 2008 with no money down ... and then traded it on a 2009 with no money down ... and then traded it on a 2010 with no money down ... and then traded it on a 2011 with no money down ... and now can't understand why the bank is saying he can't trade the 2011 on a 2012 with no money down, and instead must make some lifestyle and equity adjustments before he can buy anything else.