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LWW
08-02-2011, 04:14 AM
This thread is about things most thinking people know intuitively, but the state uses it's propaganda machine to deceive the naive.

First off, let's deal with the nation's GDP:

http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-gdp.gif

As can be clearly seen, the US economy went into the tank after the Clinton era dot bomb bubble popped, and only briefly entered into expansion following the Bush era tax cuts, and GDP growth has been severely negative ever since the democrooks took control of congress.

The Bush and Obama regimes, along with both parties, have both been guilty of trying to kick the can down the road and avoid actually making the hard choices needed to correct the problems.

LWW
08-02-2011, 04:21 AM
Next we will discuss inflation.

According to the state the US has had very little inflation for a long time.

That also is a lie. If one views inflation under the same manner it was measured in the early 1980's and before, we learn that we haven't actually had sub 5% inflation for almost 3o years ... and that inflation has spent as much time above 10% since the democrooks took congress as it has below 10%, and is currently running about 11%.

http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-cpi.gif

LWW
08-02-2011, 04:29 AM
Next up is unemployment.

The official state pimped lie is that UE is running a tad over 9%.

When underemployed are taken into account, by the state's own admission that number nearly doubles to 16%.

It would be great if it was actually that good.

Ever wonder how the Clinton/Bush era had such low UE rates while we still had a huge homeless problem?

The answer is that in 1994 the democrook controlled congress legislated the long term discouraged unemployed out of existence. In an Orwellian act, they were made "NONPERSONS" by legislative fiat.

When they are factored back in, the unemployed/underemployed rises to 23%.

Being that these folks aren't underemployed, that would make the true UE rate around 15%.

http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-emp.gif

LWW
08-02-2011, 04:33 AM
Next, let's review another way the state cooks the books.

Releasing one set of economic data to media fanfare ... only to revise it downward later.

As can be seen here, the Obama regime, and has pimped the people repeatedly with this one:

http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/2011/680/gdp-benchmark.png

Again, this reminds me of the Orwellian "MINISTRY OF PLENTY" production reports.

LWW
08-02-2011, 04:45 AM
Oh ... remember how the "MISERY INDEX" took town James Earl Carter in 1980?

He had invented the phrase in the 1976 election, and then under his regime it nearly doubled to 22%.

Well, measured under the same metrics as then ... dear leader's misery index is somewhere between 26% and 34%.

Even with the full book cooking ability of the federal gubmint ... Obama's regime can't get the MI down to what James Earl Carter told us was unacceptable in 1976.

OH DEAR! (http://www.shadowstats.com/)

OH MY! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index)

LWW
08-02-2011, 05:01 AM
http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/2011/680/gdp-benchmark.png

Also notice that even with the state's creative accounting ... US GDP, after cooking the numbers, in 2011 is still short of where it was in 2007 when the democrooks took control of congress.

Even assuming meager growth, that is over a trillions dollars in lost wealth that has been inflicted upon a nation of 300,000,000.

This is where an Obamatron states that just because I can prove it doesn't mean I can prove it.

cushioncrawler
08-02-2011, 05:50 AM
GDP shood read GDC, ie cost, but really it shood read GDP, ie price. Not important.

But the most important figures here at all are the non-employment and un-employment. Over 22% looks true enuff -- but praps it iz higher than that -- not good. If i were king it would be say 1%.

If i were king inflation would be zero%, or even say -1%.
Population growth would be -1%.
mcRex.

LWW
08-02-2011, 06:39 AM
There are members here who believe that non-obamatrons should be thinned out.

Sev
08-02-2011, 06:52 AM
Where are the deniers???

LWW
08-02-2011, 07:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where are the deniers??? </div></div>

Living in denial, of course.

Meanwhile they continue to put their faith in the stupidonomic hypotheses which claim that:

- Coal powered cars will improve air pollution.

- Corn powered cars have nothing to do with food price rises.

- High unemployment rates drive job growth.

- Warmer temps ... along with cooler temps, wetter weather, drier weather, more storms, fewer storms, more snow, less snow, and every other meteorological event ... is proof of MMGW.

- Tax cuts are government spending ... and it's great fun to watch their heads spin in collectivist unison when you point out that if tax cuts represent spending and they are against cuts in spending then they must be against cutting the tax cuts.

Soflasnapper
08-02-2011, 01:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where are the deniers??? </div></div>

LWW can dish out far more lunacy than I can take the time to research to disprove. If that's the point, I concede it.

You know, if you change the meanings of commonly accepted terms, phrases, quantitative measures that others agree upon, you can make up anything you want. Is that a more, or a less, reasonable analysis than what everyone agrees to? An important question, that remains unanswered here, and probably, unasked by someone who blindly takes this to be factual and better than the official numbers.

Not to hoist him on his own petard or anything, but how about recasting the Reagan years using these alternative measurement standards?

LWW
08-02-2011, 04:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, if you change the meanings of commonly accepted terms, phrases, quantitative measures that others agree upon, you can make up anything you want. </div></div>

Excellent doublethink my friend.

Actually, much to your chagrin, what I am suggesting is that we compare eras with the same metric.

You, OTOH, are happy that the state spoon feeds you it's newest "TRUTH" ... "POVERTY IS PROSPERITY" to go with the other three.

It's a shame you lack the intellectual integrity to see that you are championing what you accuse me of doing while condemning me for doing what you claim you believe in ... all because the regime tells you that it is so.