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Soflasnapper
08-02-2011, 03:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> All 50 States See Record Highs in July
LiveScience.comBy OurAmazingPlanet Staff
LiveScience.com | LiveScience.com Mon, Aug 1, 2011

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No state in the union was safe from July's blistering heat wave, according to data from the U.S. National Climatic Data Center.

The horrible July heat wave, lasting weeks in some cities, the entire month in others, affected nearly 200 million people in the United States at some point. Preliminary data show that 2,712 high-temperature records were either tied or broken in July, compared with 1,444 last year, according to the NCDC. At least one weather station in all 50 states set or tied a daily high temperature record at some point during July.

Two weather stations tied for the hottest temperature recorded during July. The Blythe station in Riverside County, Calif., and the Gila Bend station in Maricopa County, Ariz., both hit 120 degrees Fahrenheit (48.9 degrees Celsius) in July.

Even Alaska recorded unusually sweaty temperatures. The temperature at the Northway weather station in Southeast Fairbanks County hit a record 97 F (36.1 C) on July 11.

Newark, N.J., set an all-time high at 108 F (42.2 C) on July 22, breaking the record of 105 F (40.6 C), set in 2001.

In Washington, D.C., Dulles International Airport saw its hottest July on record this year and recorded its highest July temperature of all time at 105 F (40.6 C), on July 22. That same day, water in the nearby Potomac River was the hottest ever recorded at 96 F (35.4 C) (records go back to only 1988), reported the Capital Weather Gang blog.

The city of Morehead, Minn., had the dubious distinction as the hottest place on Earth for a day, said meteorologist Heidi Cullen of Climate Central, in an interview on National Public Radio. On July 19, the heat index there a measure of humidity and temperature that indicates how hot the weather feels was 134 F (56.7 C). (The National Weather Service later said this reading could be an anomaly due to the local weather station's location in a very wet field, and not representative of the entire town.)</div></div>

Global warming a fraud? (http://news.yahoo.com/50-states-see-record-highs-july-173203227.html)

cushioncrawler
08-02-2011, 05:29 PM
Yesterday woz the hottest early august melbourne day on record. Me, i played billiards all day.
mac.

LWW
08-03-2011, 03:21 AM
Absolutely a fraud.

The article headline implies that all 50 states set a new all time high ... in reality, as noted in the last thread we discussed this, none of the 50 states actually set an all time high ... and in fact, very few states have set an all time high in the last 25 years.

The claim is "PROVEN" in the article on the basis that of hundreds ... sometime thousands ... of weather stations in the individual states, they could find ONE that set a location record.

The example they cite is typical Goremen fakirism ... using a station at a major airport. Airports are massive heat sinks. Dulles didn't exist before 1962 ... so it was actually the highest reading for 50 years ... and it had an internal train system installed last year.

But ... it was on the spoon, so you accept it.

Soflasnapper
08-03-2011, 04:35 PM
Odd reaction.

I would think that a summer in which every state had at least one place with a new high temp record would show a far likelier higher average temperature than one in which one weather station in one place set the real-all-time high (without others also showing that kind of record level).

This is wrong.... why, again?

cushioncrawler
08-03-2011, 05:43 PM
If citys inkreec temp, and if citys iz manmade, then aint that manmade warming. First the airport, then the globe.
Damn its hot in the unemployment queue.
mac.

LWW
08-04-2011, 04:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Odd reaction.

I would think that a summer in which every state had at least one place with a new high temp record would show a far likelier higher average temperature than one in which one weather station in one place set the real-all-time high (without others also showing that kind of record level).

This is wrong.... why, again? </div></div>

I doubt that evry many summers pass where at least one city doesn't reach a local all time temperature reading for a single day.

Especially when one considers that if, as example, a single new weather station was installed in 2011 per state then by default it's 2011 reading would be an all time record.

If you want any type of credibility to this articles claim you would need to compare weather records in towns over the last 100 years.

OTOH, if you want to find "PROOF" of something you have blindly accepted as "TRUTH" ... this type of junk science is wonderful.

Qtec
08-04-2011, 05:29 AM
The present GW model predicts extreme weather and that's exactly what the US has experienced in the last year, if not the last 10 years.
Raging fires and extreme droughts in many States and in others massive flooding. Record snowfalls and record temps etc etc etc etc. The list goes on.

Even the US defence policy treats GW as a fact and takes into account the dangers in their planning for the future, its basically only the GOP that denies, in the face of facts.



Q

LWW
08-04-2011, 05:46 AM
Please point us to the era where the Oit did not experience weather extremes?

LWW
08-04-2011, 05:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The present GW model predicts extreme weather and that's exactly what the US has experienced in the last year, if not the last 10 years.
Raging fires and extreme droughts in many States and in others massive flooding. Record snowfalls and record temps etc etc etc etc. The list goes on.

Even the US defence policy treats GW as a fact and takes into account the dangers in their planning for the future, its basically only the GOP that denies, in the face of facts.



Q </div></div>

Record temps have been proven to be a Goremon myth in a recent thread.

The worst snowfall in US history was in Alaska ... in 1953.

The worst ever in the lower 48 was Oregon in 1949.

Only 9 states have had record snowfalls in the last 20 years ... and this will be claimed to be proof of global warming.

OH DEAR! (http://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/snowiest-year.php)

LWW
08-04-2011, 05:58 AM
As far as recent weather ... 2008 was the 54th coldest out of the last 105 years!
OH MY! (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080313_coolest.html)

LWW
08-04-2011, 06:02 AM
The winter with the most consecutive below zero days was ... 1912! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_cold_air_outbreak)

The warmest US summer was in the 1930's.

LWW
08-04-2011, 06:11 AM
Another hole in your mythology is that the year with the most extreme weather extremes in US history is that 1936 featured both the warmest summer in US history ... in combination with the coldest winter of the decade.

Astoundingly ... George Walker Bush had not yet been born and democrooks controlled virtually every aspect of the US gubmint.

OH DEAR! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_heat_wave)

OH MY! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_cold_wave)

PS - None of this is to blame FDR or his Roosetrons for the extreme weather of the 1930's. This was stated tongue in cheek to demonstrate the absurdity of the far left blaming everything on B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!!! with a similar absurdity.

LWW
08-04-2011, 06:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even the US defence policy treats GW as a fact and takes into account the dangers in their planning for the future

Q </div></div>

I'm glad you mentioned that.

I live close to the nation's largest USAF base ... and it is common knowledge that if since 2007 you want something the least bit questionable to get funding, this is what you do. Change the title of the project from:

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>"RESEARCH REGARDING (INSERT NAME)"</span>

to

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>"RESEARCH REGARDING (INSERT NAME) AND IT'S IMPACT ON GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE"</span>

and then when you gain funding, remember to include 10-20 pages of boiler plate junk science buzzwords to appease the Goremons at the end.

Soflasnapper
08-04-2011, 08:56 AM
The very mention of any partisanship as to the weather discloses your absurd bias here.

This is mainly about cultural resentments, and hitting the hippies in the face. Bravo, well done! That will put the stupid greenies in their place. And especially that Gore guy, whom you hate. Evil man, certainly. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Meanwhile, the people will make up their own minds as to what they're experiencing, and eventually, the absurdity of these denials will become crystal clear.

Now you're trying to put forward the continental US, some 6% of the land mass of the earth at most, as the way to tell what the average world temperature is? Well, it IS SOME KIND OF SAMPLE, I supposed, but no especially valid sample, where we could take it as a reasonable surrogate for the entire world temperature.

But your side does it all the time, as when a cold winter in the Northeast of the country in '10 supposedly showed that GW wasn't occurring. Because a small fraction of the 6% of the land mass of the world (and where more than that is ocean surface), had cold weather and snowfall in the winter?!?! Even as the winter Olympics site had intemperate high temperatures and no snow, and was also in North America.

You have overlearned the false talking points, which were designed to say there was uncertainty, not that GW certainly wasn't happening. It takes a truly gullible person to take the talking points (false, to begin with) to the next level, that there is certainty there isn't any GW at all.

Congratulations, you are in the top 1% (of the gullible). Let me guess, you join the 'uncertainty' caucus with regard to the alleged harm from smoking as well? Same people using the same uncertainty racket, in the service of big money interests. Limbaugh touted the health benefits of nicotine just this past couple of days, so I guess those are your new marching orders as well.

LWW
08-04-2011, 09:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The very mention of any partisanship as to the weather discloses your absurd bias here. </div></div>

Obviously English comprehension isn't your strong suit.

LWW
08-04-2011, 09:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is mainly about cultural resentments, and hitting the hippies in the face. Bravo, well done! That will put the stupid greenies in their place. And especially that Gore guy, whom you hate. Evil man, certainly. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif </div></div>

No ... it's about truth.

BTW ... I am still a hippie, and probably live a far more eco-friendly lifestyle than any of the resident cabal.

What I don't need is someone to scare me into doing the right thing.

Also, yes ... Al Gore is an evil man. Thousands, perhaps millions, have died because of his vote on corn powered cars.

Next false flag?

LWW
08-04-2011, 09:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now you're trying to put forward the continental US, some 6% of the land mass of the earth at most, as the way to tell what the average world temperature is? Well, it IS SOME KIND OF SAMPLE, I supposed, but no especially valid sample, where we could take it as a reasonable surrogate for the entire world temperature. </div></div>

Actually ... I did no such thing. What I did do was shoot down snoopy's myth that GW was causing weather extremes in the USA.

And, not that this will sink into your spoon fed head, it was you who was recently using non existent all time highs in Floriduh ... roughly 2% of 6%, or .12% of the Oit's land mass ... as <span style='font-size: 14pt'>PROOF!</span> that MMGW is real.

LWW
08-04-2011, 09:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have overlearned the false talking points, which were designed to say there was uncertainty, not that GW certainly wasn't happening. It takes a truly gullible person to take the talking points (false, to begin with) to the next level, that there is certainty there isn't any GW at all. </div></div>

Lame straw argument.

Please try harder.

I have never argued that GW hasn't happened. only a fool would.

What I have argued is that:

- It's entirely, by definition, normal for the Oit to warm coming out of an ice age.

- The Oit is still in an ice age.

- It has been far warmer in our past.

- Most of Oit's warming occurred before industrialization.

- The IPCC models are junk science and completely unreliable.

- Science which is unreliable is, by definition unreliable and in fact not science at all.

- GW may have slowed or stopped.

- No science more accurately predicts climate change than solar activity.

Quote me all you like, but please be honest.

LWW
08-04-2011, 09:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me guess, you join the 'uncertainty' caucus with regard to the alleged harm from smoking as well?</div></div>

Not at all. Even when I smoked as a ute I knew it was harmful.

LWW
08-04-2011, 09:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Limbaugh touted the health benefits of nicotine just this past couple of days, so I guess those are your new marching orders as well. </div></div>

Got a link to that?

What's that?

It was another spoon fed lie that you swallowed without qualm nor trepidation?

What he has claimed is that e-cigarettes are safer than tobacco products in that someone gets the nicotine (ADDICTIVE) portion of smoking without the heat and smoke of inhaling burning tobacco, without inhaling the burned chemicals used on tobacco.

Nicotine is undoubtedly addictive. Nicotine by itself is not a carinogen.

I do not advocate e-cigarettes as the narcotic effects of nicotine can have it's own issues, but if someone had to choose between e-cigs and tobacco smoke ... IMHO I believe it would be insane not to use an e-cig.

I also know a few people who have quit smoking tobacco via the e-cig, very similar to using the nicotine patch or nicotine gum

WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oojWoZByOc&feature=player_embedded#at=162)

Next Frankenesque myth you would like to have shot down?

BTW ... this is where you swear that just because he never said what you claimed is in no way proof that he never said what you claimed.

Soflasnapper
08-04-2011, 12:46 PM
No, this was what was actually said. (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201108030023) About the 4:30 minute mark, slightly before.

Geeze. You are easily fooled, and aggressively wrong.

Wrong is not as bad as aggressively wrong.

He CLEARLY says (as the headline puts in quotes) nicotine is good for you, nicotine is cool, and he also said nicotine is falsely maligned.

LWW
08-04-2011, 03:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> No, this was what was actually said. (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201108030023) About the 4:30 minute mark, slightly before.

Geeze. You are easily fooled, and aggressively wrong.

Wrong is not as bad as aggressively wrong.

He CLEARLY says (as the headline puts in quotes) nicotine is good for you, nicotine is cool, and he also said nicotine is falsely maligned. </div></div>

That was simply precious.
HERE (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_080311/content/01125107.guest.html) is a link to a transcript of the segment you linked to.

What exactly are you in disagreement with ... and, BTW, this segment I hadn't heard but it is not in conflict with what I linked tyo.

Are you claiming that nicotine is a carcinogen? It isn't BTW.

Are you claiming nicotine has no medicinal or beneficial use? It does BTW.

Are you claiming Limbaugh was saying that smoking was healthy? He obviously wasn't.

What exactly are you disagreeing with ... other than Media Matters tells you that you disagree?

Please repost the specific parts that you feel were inaccurate.

I'll be waiting.

BTW ... I interpreted your initial statement to be an implication that he was saying smoking was healthy, as that is the only sensible context the statement can be taken in as nicotine does in fact have known medicinal and health benefits.

If that was not your original point, then I can only assume that you either were again pontificating about something you actually know nothing about or you were simply following your marching orders from MM.

LWW
08-05-2011, 06:04 AM
Bumped for an answer.

LWW
08-05-2011, 06:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The present GW model predicts extreme weather and that's exactly what the US has experienced in the last year, if not the last 10 years.

Q </div></div>

I'm still waiting for you to give examples of some of these extremes?

Gayle in MD
09-14-2011, 11:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The very mention of any partisanship as to the weather discloses your absurd bias here.

This is mainly about cultural resentments, and hitting the hippies in the face. Bravo, well done! That will put the stupid greenies in their place. And especially that Gore guy, whom you hate. Evil man, certainly. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Meanwhile, the people will make up their own minds as to what they're experiencing, and eventually, the absurdity of these denials will become crystal clear.

Now you're trying to put forward the continental US, some 6% of the land mass of the earth at most, as the way to tell what the average world temperature is? Well, it IS SOME KIND OF SAMPLE, I supposed, but no especially valid sample, where we could take it as a reasonable surrogate for the entire world temperature.

But your side does it all the time, as when a cold winter in the Northeast of the country in '10 supposedly showed that GW wasn't occurring. Because a small fraction of the 6% of the land mass of the world (and where more than that is ocean surface), had cold weather and snowfall in the winter?!?! Even as the winter Olympics site had intemperate high temperatures and no snow, and was also in North America.

You have overlearned the false talking points, which were designed to say there was uncertainty, not that GW certainly wasn't happening. It takes a truly gullible person to take the talking points (false, to begin with) to the next level, that there is certainty there isn't any GW at all.

Congratulations, you are in the top 1% (of the gullible). Let me guess, you join the 'uncertainty' caucus with regard to the alleged harm from smoking as well? Same people using the same uncertainty racket, in the service of big money interests. Limbaugh touted the health benefits of nicotine just this past couple of days, so I guess those are your new marching orders as well. </div></div>



<span style='font-size: 20pt'> We Must Destroy Repiglican Fascism Before It's Too Late! </span>

Soflasnapper
09-14-2011, 11:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The present GW model predicts extreme weather and that's exactly what the US has experienced in the last year, if not the last 10 years.

Q </div></div>

I'm still waiting for you to give examples of some of these extremes? </div></div>

Nice graphs illustrating these facts at the link here. (http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/show.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> August 2011 Global Weather Extremes Summary

August was yet another busy month for global weather extremes. Highlights included record-busting heat and drought (again) in the south-central portions of the U.S.A. The climatological summer of June-August was the 2nd warmest since accurate measurements began in 1895. An intense heat wave also affected southern Europe in mid-month. Severe tropical storms lashed the eastern seaboard of the USA (Irene) and the Philippines and Japan. Torrential rains caused devastating flooding and landslides in Nigeria and Uganda. But the 2nd most important extreme weather story (2nd to the USA heat wave and drought) was the record cold wave and blizzard that hit New Zealand on August 14-15.

Below are the months highlights.

NORTH AMERICA

August was the 2nd hottest such on record for the contiguous U.S.A. with the average of 75.7 falling just short of the 75.8 recorded in August 1983. For Texas and Oklahoma it was the warmest month (any month) on record. In fact, the average temperature for Texas for the month of August was 88.1, the warmest recorded for any state during any month. Several cities broke their all-time maximum temperature on record. For all the details of the temperature records broken see my previous blog.

[...]

The drought in Texas intensified (culminating in devastating wild fires in September). Midland, Texas, for instance, has reported only .63 of precipitation since October 1, 2010 (normal amount for this period is 12.79). The .63 is about half of what Death Valley (normally the driest location in the United States) has recorded.

Meanwhile, in contrast, portions of the mid-Atlantic recorded their wettest single month on record thanks to the intense rainfall generated by Hurricane Irene. The following cities are some of those that reported their wettest month (any month) on record: New York City 18.95 (old record 16.85 in Sept. 1882), Philadelphia 19.31 (old record 15.82 in Aug. 1867), Trenton, NJ 16.10 (old record 15.22 in July 1880), Allentown, PA 13.47 (old record 13.16 in Oct. 2005), Newark, NJ 18.79 (old record 13.22 in Oct. 2005 although an unofficial 22.48 was reported from Aug 1843). Hurricane Irene also broke Newark, New Jerseys all-time 24-hour precipitation with an 8.92 accumulation on August 27-28. Irene was the strongest tropical storm to strike New Jersey and New York since Floyd in September 1999.

The summer of 2011 has now officially been reported as the wettest in New York City history with a total of 25.23 (old record was 22.40 in 1975). Normal summer precipitation is 13.45.

The coldest temperature measured in the northern hemisphere during August was a reading of -34.1F (-36.7C) at Summit station on Greenland on August 25th.

SOUTH AMERICA and CENTRAL AMERICA

The warmest temperature measured in the southern hemisphere during August was 107.6F (42.0C) at Villamontes, Bolivia on August 11th.

Rainfall in the Atacama Desert of Chile has accumulated to .13 so far this year, six times above the annual average for this driest region on earth.

EUROPE

One of the most intense heat waves to strike southern Europe since 2003 spread from Spain into France, Germany, and Italy during mid August. An all-time record of 42.1C (107.8F) at Florence, Italy was recorded on August 22nd. See my blog of August 24 for more details on this heat wave. NOAA reported a temperature of 117F (47.0C) at Cape Carbonara, Sardinia during this heat wave as the absolute maximum temperature recorded in Europe for August.

Meanwhile, it was cool and rainy in most of northern Europe. In fact, England and Wales recorded its coolest summer since 1993 (this following the extraordinary warmth of the spring months!). The United Kingdom extremes for August included a maximum temperature of 86.5F (30.3C) at Gravesend, Kent on Aug. 3, a minimum of 34.5F (1.4C) at Loch Glascarnoch, Highland on the 25th, and a 24-hour maximum precipitation amount of 3.09 (78.6mm) at Malham Tarn, North Yorkshire on Aug. 10-11th.

AFRICA

Severe flooding hit the Nigerian city of Ibadan August 25-28 killing at least 25 people and displacing many thousands. It was the worst flood to strike Nigeria in recent history according to Red Cross officials. Flooding also affected the countries northern state of Bauchi killing 10 on August 21st.

Heavy rainfall in the eastern district of Bulambuli in Uganda caused landslides that resulted in the deaths of at least 29 on August 29th.

ASIA

The heat wave that blasted the Persian Gulf region in late July continued into early August setting more national heat records in Iran, Iraq, and Kuwait. The hottest temperature in the world during August and the hottest reliably measured temperature on record for Kuwait occurred on August 3rd at Mitribah with a reading of 127.9F (53.3C). Only Death Valley, Lake Havasu City, Arizona, and Moen jo Daro, Pakistan have ever reliably have measured hotter temperatures elsewhere in the world. A national record of 127.4F was recorded at Nassirya Ali Air Base in Iraq on the same day and a possibly reliable national record for Iran was set at Dehloran with a 127.4F (53C) reading as well.

Typhoons wreaked havoc in the Philippines, Taiwan, and Japan at various times during the month of August. These included Typhoon Muifa which struck Okinawa early in the month killing two and brought flooding rains to Korea killing an additional 10, Typhoon Nanmadol which stuck the Philippines killing 16 and Taiwan (where one death was reported) August 25-27th and then China near Shanghai on August 31 , and Typhoon Talas which struck Japan as a strong tropical storm on September 3rd. resulting in torrential rains that caused flooding resulting in the deaths of 32.

AUSTRALIA and NEW ZEALAND

Tasmania recorded its warmest August on record with temperatures averaging some 2.4C above normal thanks in large part to exceptionally mild nighttime temperatures (see map).

A rare blizzard struck New Zealand on August 14-15th dropping up to two feet of snow and closing airports. Just prior to this unusual polar blast, the AAO index values were among the most negative since NOAA's Climate Prediction Center records began in 1979. The index bottomed out at -4.728 on July 29th, 2nd lowest only to -4.855 on November 23, 1997.

The snow first struck the South Island on Aug. 14th closing airports at Christchurch and then spread to the North Island on August 15th dusting the southern suburbs of Auckland with its first measurable snowfall since the mid-1970s. Auckland Airport recorded its coldest daily maximum temperature on record (records began in 1966 here) on August 15th with a high of just 46.6 (8.1C) and Wellington a maximum of 44.2F (6.8C), their 2nd coldest daily maximum since 43.7F (6.5C) in June 1976. -yes it doesnt actually get very cold in the beautiful cities of New Zealand!.

For New Zealand as a whole the cold wave and snow event was the most extreme since 1939.
</div></div>

Soflasnapper
09-14-2011, 12:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> No, this was what was actually said. (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201108030023) About the 4:30 minute mark, slightly before.

Geeze. You are easily fooled, and aggressively wrong.

Wrong is not as bad as aggressively wrong.

He CLEARLY says (as the headline puts in quotes) nicotine is good for you, nicotine is cool, and he also said nicotine is falsely maligned. </div></div>

That was simply precious.
HERE (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_080311/content/01125107.guest.html) is a link to a transcript of the segment you linked to.

What exactly are you in disagreement with ... and, BTW, this segment I hadn't heard but it is not in conflict with what I linked tyo.

Are you claiming that nicotine is a carcinogen? It isn't BTW.

Are you claiming nicotine has no medicinal or beneficial use? It does BTW.

Are you claiming Limbaugh was saying that smoking was healthy? He obviously wasn't.

What exactly are you disagreeing with ... other than Media Matters tells you that you disagree?

Please repost the specific parts that you feel were inaccurate.

I'll be waiting.

BTW ... I interpreted your initial statement to be an implication that he was saying smoking was healthy, as that is the only sensible context the statement can be taken in as nicotine does in fact have known medicinal and health benefits.

If that was not your original point, then I can only assume that you either were again pontificating about something you actually know nothing about or you were simply following your marching orders from MM. </div></div>

Very simply, he says nicotine is good for you. Not too much of an argument that he said it, as it is the HEADLINE of the post.

It is not good for you, on a net benefits analysis. It is the more harmful of the ingredients in smoking that leads to increased rates of heart disease, which kills more smokers than does lung cancer or the other cancers associated with tobacco use. Using tobacco-free nicotine delivery systems will still lead to heart disease and premature death quite apart from any neurological benefits, even minus the carcinogens in the tars and the bad effects of CO.

cushioncrawler
09-14-2011, 04:55 PM
The last time i looked they thort that the bad (cancer) bit in smoking tobacco woz polycyclic hydrocarbons -- ie the same bad (cancer) bit az u get if u burn fat on your BBQ at too hi a temp.
I dont smoke but i like to burn my meat.
mac.