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Sev
08-04-2011, 08:34 AM
Nicely written.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/273514/america-unbroken-charlie-cooke?page=2

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August 4, 2011 4:00 A.M.
America, Unbroken
The divisive debt-ceiling debate is a sign that the system is working.

In the past couple of weeks, as the fight over the debt-ceiling careered toward the breaking point, we heard a familiar refrain: “The system is broken!”

It is a sentiment echoed by Paul Krugman in Monday’s New York Times. Krugman argues that what the Republicans have “gotten away with calls our whole system of government into question.” Such doubts will undoubtedly be music to the ears of Tom Friedman, who in 2009 infamously extolled the virtues of a system in which “one party can just impose the politically difficult but critically important policies needed to move a society forward in the 21st century.” Friedman was referring to China, but one cannot help wondering whether he would be as happy as his colleague Krugman to see the Republicans done away with too. That way, America could finally be run by those lucky enough to be “reasonably enlightened.”

This is a perennial argument — one that raises its head whenever gridlock occurs in the District of Columbia — and one that needs revisiting frequently. It is all too easy to look at the United States and to dismiss the system when it fails to deliver what we want. But to do so is to train our fire at the wrong target. If anybody is at fault, it is the people, both those we elect to represent us, and ourselves.

“Our Constitution,” said John Adams, “was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Likewise, Congress. When a rogue American dons a white hood and sets fire to a cross, it makes sense to blame the perpetrator for abusing his liberty, not liberty itself. And so it is with the “system.” It is not the fault of the buildings in Washington that the United States is in debt, but the people inside them. And if those people have trouble fixing it, it is they who deserve our opprobrium, and we who need to reevaluate our decision to put them there.

Very well, but what of the rancor? The discord? The partisanship? The politics? Like George Washington, we are quick to dismiss “politics.” This is naïve. Conflict in politics is not only inevitable; it is axiomatically imperative. Politics is division. Political parties do not exist arbitrarily, but are a rational, practical response to dispute. As long as we keep our republic — and in fact even if we do not — people will form cliques in order to forward their agendas. The only way to remove the need for parties, and the disruption they cause, is to remove the capacity for disagreement completely. One cannot help but suspect that for some who claim to find antagonism so tiring, this is the latent desire.

Contra Krugman and Co., the alternative to raucous constitutional democracy is unappealing in these quarters. The cacophonous noise, argument, and hysteria that has characterized Washington over the last few weeks is not, in fact, a sign that the system is broken, but that it is working — this is what is supposed to happen. The federal government was designed to divide power, and to set factions and branches against one another. Our founding fathers made a conscious and reasoned attempt at blunting the unifying edges of the British parliamentary system in favor of Montesquieu’s separation of powers. It was deliberate and it was wise, but it is not always pretty.

This is politics, not ballet. Representative government should be a noisy process. But for all the system’s flaws, we should be pleased that the sound we hear on C-SPAN is of bickering and argument and debate, rather than the eerie silence of enforced acquiescence or the boisterous failure of gunfire. It should be enough that we can resolve our differences peaceably without expecting tranquility.

Herein lies the fundamental problem with the reflexive reaction of Krugman, Friedman, and their ilk, and with those who appear to covet the efficacy of the supposedly “enlightened” dictatorship in China: Enlightenment is a relative term, and it is invariably claimed by both sides. The United States was founded on the principle that there is no permanent enlightened class — we would be fools to throw our respect for that away when things get tough.

When we hear the likes of Bill Clinton, who revealed recently that were he still president and afflicted with a Congress incapable of acting decisively, he would invoke the 14th Amendment “without hesitation, and force the courts to stop [him],” we should hear his words for what they are. Clinton is not far from saying, as Friedman did, that this is too important an issue to leave to the constitutional system of government. “If it came to that,” Clinton warned, he would step in.

No, should be our reply. No you won’t. One tests the strength of a system in difficult times, not when things are rosy. The virtues of American liberty do not vanish upon the instant when the outcomes are undesirable, nor are they conditional upon neat and efficient resolutions. We are all angry with one thing or other, but it is worth remembering that America has survived far worse without pulling itself apart from the inside. It might be messy, but the system is in good shape.
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LWW
08-04-2011, 08:54 AM
Krugman is a Grade A moron.

Sev
08-04-2011, 10:06 AM
Scary clown more like.

Soflasnapper
08-04-2011, 02:18 PM
I have not read anything more Pollyannish this year. What a load.

The system is working???!?!?! For WHOM?

Deep pocket money guys who can now buy things for fractions on the dollar, perhaps.

LWW
08-04-2011, 04:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have not read anything more Pollyannish this year. What a load.

The system is working???!?!?! For WHOM?

Deep pocket money guys who can now buy things for fractions on the dollar, perhaps. </div></div>

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llotter
08-04-2011, 05:19 PM
I think National Review has sold out to the Republicans. The author joins a long list of .'conservatives' attempting to buck up the Tea Partiers while supporting the leadership. But they are putting politics over the interests of the country by avoiding sharing responsibility for the economic disaster that is coming our way. Conservatives know that it is the burden of excessive government that is causing the problem but The Moron is only increasing the burden and it won't end well. The old saying is those that close their eyes to a pending crash are equally responsible as those causing it.

Sev
08-04-2011, 05:58 PM
You should see all the regulations the idiot is implementing.

cushioncrawler
08-04-2011, 06:39 PM
The usofa shood get a new system. Why not uze the system the usofa foisted on Germany after WW1. Perfikt in every way.
mac.

Soflasnapper
08-04-2011, 07:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think National Review has sold out to the Republicans. The author joins a long list of .'conservatives' attempting to buck up the Tea Partiers while supporting the leadership. But they are putting politics over the interests of the country by avoiding sharing responsibility for the economic disaster that is coming our way. Conservatives know that it is the burden of excessive government that is causing the problem but The Moron is only increasing the burden and it won't end well. The old saying is those that close their eyes to a pending crash are equally responsible as those causing it. </div></div>

I applaud your take on the National Review's partisanship over citizenship.

However, it is not regulation that has done much of anything in this country's demise. It is the fact that we've been subjected to the most titanic many-trillions of dollar fraud, from the banks and the brokerage houses, and they blew up that money so the country's in very sick financial shape.

Both parties are bought and paid for by those same criminal classes, so nothing has been done, and likely nothing will be done about these root causes, which will therefore be done again.

LWW
08-05-2011, 03:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both parties are bought and paid for by those same criminal classes, so nothing has been done, and likely nothing will be done about these root causes, which will therefore be done again. </div></div>

You sound like a TPM my friend ... you actually attend a rally rather than be told what it's all about by the party.

Oh, one more thing, something will be done about all this. The TPM is perhaps our last best hope before the next American revolution.

Qtec
08-05-2011, 03:46 AM
When the next American revolution happens, YOU will be in the minority!

You are the enemy.

People like you are the problem.

Q...........nutjob.

LWW
08-05-2011, 04:17 AM
When the first US revolution happened, the patriots were in the minority.

LWW
08-05-2011, 04:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q...........nutjob. </div></div>

Don't you feel better after facing up to it.

cushioncrawler
08-05-2011, 05:55 AM
It twernt the revolution, it woz the first civil war.
mac.

LWW
08-05-2011, 06:02 AM
There is no such thing as a "CIVIL" war.

cushioncrawler
08-05-2011, 06:12 AM
Didn i read that the usofa civil war woznt really a civil war at all, teknikally speaking.
And that the suppozed revolution woz in fakt a civil war, my own idea, karnt remember now.

A patriot in the revolution (civil war) woz patriotik to the king, surely.
mac.

LWW
08-05-2011, 06:21 AM
The US "CIVIL" War is known by more than one name here, although that is the most common name.

Among the uneducated masses it is commonly called the "SILVER" War.

Amongst those with deep historical knowledge it is often referred to as "THE WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION" ... which is what it really was.

The myth of Abraham Lincoln ... foisted upon the victims of public education in this country ... is the worst instance of historical revisionism ever perpetrated in this country. But ... leftists desperately need their godkings so the likes of Lincoln - Stalin - Lenin - Hitler - Minh - Pot - Fidel - Che - Chavez - Kim Jung Il -Obama are constantly being raised up as messianic characters.

cushioncrawler
08-05-2011, 04:59 PM
Abe's biblikal rant about a house divided would lead a sensible person away from war rather than to war.
mac.

LWW
08-06-2011, 02:17 AM
But as Abe said "YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME" ...