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LWW
08-05-2011, 11:35 AM
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SENATOR <s>HERMAN MALKIN MUNSTER</s> <s>FREDERICK HUBBARD GWYNNE</s> JOHN FORBES KERRY: "And I have to tell you, I say this to you politely. The media in America has a bigger responsibility than it's exercising today. The media has got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual."

"It doesn't deserve the same credit as a legitimate idea about what you do. And the problem is everything is put into this tit-for-tat equal battle and America is losing any sense of what's real, of who's accountable, of who is not accountable, of who's real, who isn't, who's serious, who isn't?" </div></div>
<span style='font-size: 26pt'>STATISTS REJOICE! (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/05/john_kerry_media_has_responsibility_to_not_give_eq ual_time_to_tea_party.html)</span>

eg8r
08-05-2011, 11:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The media has got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual."
</div></div>Kind of like when Kerry said he was a Vietnam hero and the RNC had to go round up a bunch of people that were there to prove Kerry was a liar?

eg8r

llotter
08-05-2011, 12:36 PM
I have often wondered if Marx deserves the same place at the table where ideas are dispensed as say, Adam Smith? My answer, HELL NO

LWW
08-05-2011, 02:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The media has got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual."
</div></div>Kind of like when Kerry said he was a Vietnam hero and the RNC had to go round up a bunch of people that were there to prove Kerry was a liar?

eg8r </div></div>

Or when Obama claimed he was a law professor.

Soflasnapper
08-05-2011, 05:13 PM
Of course, that isn't what he said.

Nowhere was the TP mentioned.

But if the shoe fits, I guess...

LWW
08-06-2011, 02:20 AM
TRANSLATED:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just because there is a transcript, audio, and video of him saying that doesn't prove that he actually said that.</div></div>

Soflasnapper
08-06-2011, 07:31 PM
I had relied on what has been reported, but thought maybe I had missed it.

So I looked again. What I found were people PARAPHRASING him as referring to the Tea Party, when he never did.

The old paraphrasing trick, where things then become assumed to be real quotes, when they were the old 'in other words, what he's really saying is...' trick.

Nowhere did he say Tea Party, or at least, nowhere I've found, including your link. When Tea Party is put in as part of the quote, I've seen it given as [Tea Party], which brackets mean it wasn't said.

Here's RawStory's article, with Kerry's Morning Joe video of the remarks in question in context attached:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Kerry to the media: Stop giving equal time to every ‘absurd notion’

Posted on 08.5.11
By David Edwards
Categories: Featured, Nation

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) thinks the media made a big mistake by devoting equal time to every “absurd notion” during the debt ceiling debate.

“And I have to tell you, I say this to you politely,” Kerry told MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough Friday. “The media in America has a bigger responsibility than it’s exercising today. The media has got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual.”

“It doesn’t deserve the same credit as a legitimate idea about what you do. And the problem is everything is put into this tit-for-tat equal battle and America is losing any sense of what’s real, of who’s accountable, of who is not accountable, of who’s real, who isn’t, who’s serious, who isn’t?”

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren offered only a partial quote from the Massachusetts senator Friday, as she expressed her outrage and <span style='font-size: 20pt'>suggested he was targeting the tea party</span>.</span> [...]</div></div>

Many people have 'suggested' it, and even 'quoted' his supposedly saying it. But he did not.

RawStory's link to the video, here. (http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/kerry-to-the-media-stop-giving-equal-time-to-every-absurd-notion/)

ugotda7
08-06-2011, 08:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had relied on what has been reported, but thought maybe I had missed it.

So I looked again. What I found were people PARAPHRASING him as referring to the Tea Party, when he never did.

The old paraphrasing trick, where things then become assumed to be real quotes, when they were the old 'in other words, what he's really saying is...' trick.

Nowhere did he say Tea Party, or at least, nowhere I've found, including your link. When Tea Party is put in as part of the quote, I've seen it given as [Tea Party], which brackets mean it wasn't said.

Here's RawStory's article, with Kerry's Morning Joe video of the remarks in question in context attached:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Kerry to the media: Stop giving equal time to every ‘absurd notion’

Posted on 08.5.11
By David Edwards
Categories: Featured, Nation

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) thinks the media made a big mistake by devoting equal time to every “absurd notion” during the debt ceiling debate.

“And I have to tell you, I say this to you politely,” Kerry told MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough Friday. “The media in America has a bigger responsibility than it’s exercising today. The media has got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual.”

“It doesn’t deserve the same credit as a legitimate idea about what you do. And the problem is everything is put into this tit-for-tat equal battle and America is losing any sense of what’s real, of who’s accountable, of who is not accountable, of who’s real, who isn’t, who’s serious, who isn’t?”

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren offered only a partial quote from the Massachusetts senator Friday, as she expressed her outrage and <span style='font-size: 20pt'>suggested he was targeting the tea party</span>.</span> [...]</div></div>

Many people have 'suggested' it, and even 'quoted' his supposedly saying it. But he did not.

RawStory's link to the video, here. (http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/kerry-to-the-media-stop-giving-equal-time-to-every-absurd-notion/) </div></div>

So who was he talking about then? It's an easy question, come on, be honest.

Qtec
08-06-2011, 10:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kind of like when<u> Kerry said he was a Vietnam hero</u> </div></div>

When was that then? Got a direct quote of him saying that?


Q

LWW
08-07-2011, 05:51 AM
The North Viet Namese thought of him as a hero.

LWW
08-07-2011, 05:54 AM
Sofanapper believes Kerry was talking about whoever the regime tells him to believe Kerry was talking about.

eg8r
08-07-2011, 03:51 PM
LOL, so now you agree he wasn't a hero? Talk about flip flop.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
08-07-2011, 05:24 PM
So who was he talking about then? It's an easy question, come on, be honest.

All manner of people on the fringes, on any and all policy matters that come before the Congress.

An Art Laffer, or a Oirly Taitz, or a Lord Monckton, for example.

Yes, and probably some people currently associated with the TPM as well, like Michele Bachmann, or Rand Paul. But they get included as whack jobs well before the TPM came about, and it is their wacky kind of factually ungrounded pronouncements that put them in the category more than their current TPM iconic status.

Sev
08-07-2011, 06:58 PM
Amazing how the left only supports the 1st amendment when it suits their cause.

Soflasnapper
08-07-2011, 08:06 PM
News judgment, who gets covered and who doesn't, has nothing to do with the 1st amendment, unless mandated by the government.

For instance, that nutbar Florida Koran burner 'preacher,' of no importance, and with no followers to speak of, was enabled by the intense focus of unwarranted media coverage to briefly become an actor on the world stage. Should they have done that, or was doing it a dereliction of their duty to the public good?

Had they decided not to cover him, as they did not the first time he pulled that stunt which was a couple years before IIRC, that would have in no way infringed upon his 1st amendment rights.

Somewhere in this country, or around the world, there are any number of fringe persons spewing predicate-free nonsense. We have a place for them called 'the internet' (and right here as well!).

They only get big media coverage out of somebody's agenda to put them up on the stage. An agenda not in the public interest.

Qtec
08-08-2011, 12:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, so now you agree he wasn't a hero? Talk about flip flop.

eg8r </div></div>

So you made it up.

Good to know.

Q

ugotda7
08-08-2011, 12:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So who was he talking about then? It's an easy question, come on, be honest.

All manner of people on the fringes, on any and all policy matters that come before the Congress.

An Art Laffer, or a Oirly Taitz, or a Lord Monckton, for example.

Yes, and probably some people currently associated with the TPM as well, like Michele Bachmann, or Rand Paul. But they get included as whack jobs well before the TPM came about, and it is their wacky kind of factually ungrounded pronouncements that put them in the category more than their current TPM iconic status. </div></div>

Your lack of intellectual honesty is noted.

Here, maybe you can figure out who he's talking about here:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/07/blame-game-vitriol-demonstrates-sp-disgust/

"I believe this is without question the Tea Party downgrade," said Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. "This is the Tea Party downgrade because a minority of people in the House of Representatives countered even the will of many Republicans in the United States Senate who were prepared to do a bigger deal."

LWW
08-08-2011, 02:07 AM
Please ... you know how reality riles them.

LWW
08-08-2011, 02:08 AM
My GAWD man ... even snoopy gets it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Kerry tells it like it is.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Appearing on Meet the Press today, Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) slammed Republicans’ and the Tea Party’s intransigence and hostage taking on negotiating over the debt, calling S&P’s downgrade of U.S. debt the “Tea Party downgrade”:</div></div>

Q... link (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/08/07/289962/sen-john-kerry-its-the-tea-party-downgrade/)

Q </div></div>

eg8r
08-08-2011, 05:29 AM
It good to see you flip flop qtip.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
08-08-2011, 11:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So who was he talking about then? It's an easy question, come on, be honest.

All manner of people on the fringes, on any and all policy matters that come before the Congress.

An Art Laffer, or a Oirly Taitz, or a Lord Monckton, for example.

Yes, and probably some people currently associated with the TPM as well, like Michele Bachmann, or Rand Paul. But they get included as whack jobs well before the TPM came about, and it is their wacky kind of factually ungrounded pronouncements that put them in the category more than their current TPM iconic status. </div></div>

Your lack of intellectual honesty is noted.

Here, maybe you can figure out who he's talking about here:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/07/blame-game-vitriol-demonstrates-sp-disgust/

"I believe this is without question the Tea Party downgrade," said Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. "This is the Tea Party downgrade because a minority of people in the House of Representatives countered even the will of many Republicans in the United States Senate who were prepared to do a bigger deal."

</div></div>

Yes, you may notice that when he's talking about the Tea Party, he uses those words.

You may also notice that in the case that LWW said he was seen on video clips, in transcripts, saying that, he did not say it. (Many people SAID he said that, but that doesn't make it true.)

A later clip, where he does say something directly about the Tea Party and uses its name, proves he also mentioned them earlier, in the quote in question, when all the evidence is he did not?

Not sure you understand what intellectual honesty consists of, based on the above.

LWW
08-08-2011, 01:23 PM
That was simply precious.

Qtec
08-09-2011, 01:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It good to see you flip flop qtip.

eg8r </div></div>

Kerry never said he was a hero. I didn't either, where is the flip-flop?

Give me a Kerry quote.

Q....waiting

LWW
08-09-2011, 01:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It good to see you flip flop qtip.

eg8r </div></div>

Kerry never said he was a hero. I didn't either, where is the flip-flop?

Give me a Kerry quote.

Q....waiting </div></div>

He did confess to being a war criminal.

Why do you defend war criminals?

Qtec
08-09-2011, 03:21 AM
So he wasn't a hero?
If he confessed to being a war criminal he can't be a hero.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He did confess to being a war criminal. </div></div>

Did he torture someone?

Q

LWW
08-09-2011, 03:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So he wasn't a hero?
If he confessed to being a war criminal he can't be a hero.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He did confess to being a war criminal. </div></div>

Did he torture someone?

Q </div></div>

Why don't you answer the question ... why do you support a confessed war criminal?

Qtec
08-09-2011, 03:38 AM
Try and keep up.

eg8r seemed to claim that Kerry called himself a hero. I asked for a quote, some kind of proof. He failed. eg not true. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>He made it up.</span>

Now you are saying Kerry confessed to be a war criminal ! All I am asking is for some link to actual facts because I don't remember him saying that.


Q

BTW, The disgusting SwiftBoat campaign against Kerry was a disgrace. It will forever remain a stain on the GOP.

LWW
08-09-2011, 03:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try and keep up.

eg8r seemed to claim that Kerry called himself a hero. I asked for a quote, some kind of proof. He failed.

Now you are saying Kerry confessed to be a war criminal ! All I am asking is for some link to actual facts because I don't remember him saying that.


Q

BTW, The disgusting SwiftBoat campaign against Kerry was a disgrace. It will forever remain a stain on the GOP.

</div></div>

1 - I'm not eg8r.

2 - You still didn't answer the question.

3 - I didn't admit that John Forbes Kerry is a war criminal.

4 - John Forbes Kerry admitted that John Forbes Kerry is a war criminal.

Now ... why do you support a war criminal?

eg8r
08-09-2011, 07:54 AM
LOL, you cannot even take a compliment. It is ok to flip flop this time, I agree he never was a hero. However that child porn lover he used as his megaphone sure thought he was a hero. Is that dude in jail yet?

eg8r

eg8r
08-09-2011, 07:55 AM
Heck no he wasn't a war hero. We all knew it and the SBV made sure everyone knew it. LOL, then Kerry started calling himself a war criminal. That is when we knew he wasn't even considered "the brains" in his own household.

eg8r

eg8r
08-09-2011, 08:05 AM
If not for the swiftboat vets Americans may never know about Kerry's deep lies about his service. They brought the truth about his lies. A purple heart for shooting himself, give me a break.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
08-09-2011, 02:20 PM
Not sure that is right at all.

Turned out that many of those men who claimed they served with Kerry did not, and had no knowledge one way or the other as to what had happened.

One got in some trouble for signing a statement with an affidavit that he knew these things were true from personal knowledge. He was brought up on bar ethics charges for lying in a sworn statement.

Oddly, if Kerry's more significant medals were falsely granted him from fabricated non-existent action that never occurred, so too had some of those charging him also been falsely awarded their medals for this same (supposedly false) action.

Lastly, one of the charges these same people made was that when he jumped off the boat and killed that man with a weapon who'd been firing on the boat, he committed unlawful homicide. If so, there at least we see Kerry actually performing the action that helped make up the reason for his medals for bravery and heroism, even by the accounts of his critics.

eg8r
08-09-2011, 03:28 PM
LOL, you attack the credentials of the SBV but I failed to see your attack on the kiddie porn freak Kerry chose as his defender who lost his medal. Don't worry, I am not surprised.

eg8r