View Full Version : West Memphis 3 freed in plea bargain
Just another tragedy of justice.
Are you saying you believe the tragedy to be that they were released, or that they were ever jailed?
08-20-2011, 07:56 AM
I karnt komment on this thread koz i woz on jury all this week. Got payd $36 per day. What do u get payd in theusofa?????
08-21-2011, 02:09 AM
I read thems links. Baptists strike again.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you saying you believe the tragedy to be that they were released, or that they were ever jailed? </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> There was no physical evidence connecting those convicted to the crime. No DNA, blood, fingerprints, footprints, or hairs. Nothing. </div></div>
There must have been footprints. The only reason footprints were not entered into evidence is because the footprints they found, did not match the defendants.
The reason they are being freed is because there is NO evidence against them, never has been.
They are the victims, like Cush says, of superstitious morons. Backward idiots, probably TeeBaggers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> There was no physical evidence connecting those convicted to the crime. No DNA, blood, fingerprints, footprints, or hairs. Nothing. </div></div>
Other than multiple convictions, including guilty pleas by all 3 as recently as last week.
This case is nowhere near as clear cut as you imagine it to be.
08-21-2011, 04:48 AM
I am on the fence with this one. I was born and raised just a few miles from up there,,,the pics of the ditch is very familiar in general, and the attitude against juviniles who chose to be "different" in dress and habits is a highlight to the authorities I have never agreed with all through my life. Well, it was even that way back then in the 60 when I lived there. I will say this,,,it is definitely very odd that the State of Arkansas would release them if they ever thought these weren't the real killers. That's not the normal mentality or action for Arkansas lawmakers, cops and such. My guess is that possibly one or two of those kids were in this mess and did kill these youngsters, but I don't see it as it has been painted all these years to the press and the world. I hope they continue to pursue the DNA and all of the truth now after all this time. I hate a racist legal system, be it against color or difference in lifestyle. I won't be a bit surprised though to find out that the black headed kid was really involved. Something in his face bothers me a lot. I don't know what it is, it's just something...sid
08-21-2011, 07:37 AM
Theys innocent. The killer(s) killed somewheres else.
Thems 3 kids koodnt hav killed somewheres else koz theys didn hav a pickup.
Wonder who the killer(s) iz.
Perhaps they witnessed something they shouldn't have near the Mena, Arkansas airport?
It appears the DNA is with them.
Now who is the real killer?
08-21-2011, 05:05 PM
There woz a black car seen parked near abandoned buildings in that area just before time of death.
But there are some obvious suspekts, relativs for starters.
08-21-2011, 05:10 PM
.......................................Satanism is a group of religions that is composed of a diverse number of ideological and philosophical beliefs and social phenomena. Their shared feature include symbolic association with, admiration for the character of, and even veneration of Satan or similar rebellious, promethean, and liberating figures. Generally, those Satanists who believe in the Judeo-Christian concept of Satan are linked into the belief system of today's Judeo-Christian religion, as they believe in the same theology presented in the Hebrew Bible.
Satan, also called Lucifer by many Christians, first appears in the Books of Chronicles provoking David to take a census of Israel. In the Book of Job he is called "the Satan" (meaning "the accuser") and acted as the prosecutor in God's court. A character named "Satan" was described as the tempter of Jesus in many of the Gospels of early Christians. Christianity and Islam typically regard Satan as the adversary or enemy, but extensive popular redactions and recompositions of biblical tales have inserted his presence and influence into every aspect of adversarial role back to the Creation and Fall. By Christians and Muslims especially, the figure of Satan was treated variously as a rebellious or jealous competitor to human beings, to Jesus, and characterized as a fallen angel or demon ruling the penitential Underworld, chained in a deep pit, wandering the planet vying for souls or providing the impetus for all worldly travesty.
At points during the development of the Christian religion, Satan became its outspoken enemy, and this served the interests of all those who would use this to their advantage, inclusive of those who fashioned or recomposed the mythos of Satanism. Particularly after the European Enlightenment, some works, such as Paradise Lost, were taken up by Romantics and described as presenting the biblical Satan as an allegory representing a crisis of faith, individualism, free will, wisdom and enlightenment. Those works actually featuring Satan as a heroic character are fewer in number, but do exist; George Bernard Shaw, William Blake, and Mark Twain (Letters from the Earth) included such characterizations in their works long before religious Satanists took up the pen.
Inverted cross, often seen as a symbol of Satanism.Although the public practice of Satanism began in 1966 with the founding of the Church of Satan, some historical precedents exist: a group called the Ophite Cultus Satanas was founded in Ohio by Herbert Arthur Sloane in 1948. Inspired by Gnosticism and Gerald Gardner's Wicca, the coven venerated Satan as both a horned god and ophite messiah.....................
08-21-2011, 05:15 PM
Az far az i know Satan iz No2 in heaven. God's righthandman (or woman). God's helper in relation to working out who goze to heaven. And God's helper in that Satan will one day hav the task of looking after all thoze who dont go to heaven.
But ignorant modern Christian prix think that its ok to worship Mary, and (other) Saints, and (other) Angels, but not ok to worship Satan. Silly ignorant prix.
08-21-2011, 05:23 PM
Wicca (pronounced /ˈwɪkə/), also known as Pagan Witchcraft, is a Pagan new religious movement. Its adherents are referred to as Wiccans, though the terms Witches or Crafters are also sometimes used. Developing in England in the first half of the 20th century, Wicca was popularised in the 1950s and early 1960s by a Wiccan High Priest named Gerald Gardner, who at the time called it the "witch cult" and "witchcraft," and its adherents "the Wica." From the 1960s onward, the name of the religion was normalised to "Wicca."
Wicca is typically a duotheistic religion, worshipping a goddess and a god, who are traditionally viewed as the Triple Goddess and Horned God. These two deities are often viewed as being facets of a greater pantheistic godhead, and as manifesting themselves as various polytheistic deities. Nonetheless, there are also other theological positions within Wicca, ranging from monotheism to atheism. The religion also involves the ritual practice of magic, largely influenced by the ceremonial magic of previous centuries, often in conjunction with a broad code of morality known as the Wiccan Rede, although this is not adhered to by all Pagan Witches. Another characteristic of this religion is the celebration of seasonally-based festivals, known as Sabbats, of which there are usually eight in number annually.
There are various different denominations within Wicca, which are referred to as traditions. Some, such as Gardnerian and Alexandrian Wicca, follow in the initiatory lineage of Gardner; these are often collectively termed British Traditional Wicca, and many of their practitioners consider the term Wicca to apply only to these lineaged traditions. Others, such as Cochrane's Craft, Feri and the Dianic tradition, take primary influence from other figures and may not insist on any initiatory lineage. Some of these do not use the word "Wicca" at all, instead preferring to be referred to only as "Witchcraft," while others believe that all traditions can be considered "Wiccan."
08-21-2011, 05:24 PM
Theology.......... Main article: Wiccan views of divinity
Although Wiccan views on theology are numerous and varied, the vast majority of Wiccans venerate both a god and a goddess. These two deities are variously understood through the frameworks of pantheism (as being dual aspects of a single godhead), duotheism (as being two polar opposites), hard polytheism (being two distinct deities in a larger pantheon which includes other pagan gods) or soft polytheism (being composed of many lesser deities). In some pantheistic and duotheistic conceptions, deities from diverse cultures may be seen as aspects of the Goddess or God. However, there are also other theological viewpoints to be found within the Craft, including monotheism, the concept that there is just one deity, which is seen by some, such as Dianic Wiccans, as being the Goddess, whilst by others, like the Church and School of Wicca, as instead being genderless. There are other Wiccans who are atheists or agnostics, not believing in any actual deity, but instead viewing the gods as psychological archtypes of the human mind which can be evoked and interacted with.
According to the Witches Janet and Stewart Farrar, who held a pantheistic, duotheistic and animistic view of theology, Wiccans "regard the whole cosmos as alive, both as a whole and in all of its parts", but that "such an organic view of the cosmos cannot be fully expressed, and lived, without the concept of the God and Goddess. There is no manifestation without polarization; so at the highest creative level, that of Divinity, the polarization must be the clearest and most powerful of all, reflecting and spreading itself through all the microcosmic levels as well".
08-21-2011, 05:27 PM
Traditionally the God is viewed as a Horned God, associated with nature, wilderness, sexuality, hunting and the life cycle. The Horned God is given various names according to the tradition, and these include Cernunnos, Pan, Atho and Karnayna. Whilst this figure is not equated with the traditional Christian figure of <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Satan</span>, who is seen as being an entity devoted to evil in Christianity, a small minority of Wiccans, in keeping with the accusations of the historical witch trials, refer to their Horned God with some of Satan's names, such as "the Devil" or as "Lucifer", a Latin term meaning "light bearer". At other times the God is viewed as the Green Man, a traditional figure in European art and architecture, and they often interpret him as being associated with the natural world. The God is also often depicted as a Sun God, particularly at the festival of Litha, or the summer solstice. Another expression of the God is that of the Oak King and the Holly King, one who rules over winter and spring, the other who rules over summer and autumn.
The Goddess is usually portrayed as a Triple Goddess, thereby being a triadic deity comprising a Maiden goddess, a Mother goddess, and a Crone goddess, each of whom has different associations, namely virginity, fertility and wisdom. She is also commonly depicted as a Moon Goddess, and is often given the name of Diana after the ancient Roman deity. Some Wiccans, particularly from the 1970s onwards, have viewed the Goddess as the more important of the two deities, who is pre-eminent in that she contains and conceives all. In this respect, the God is viewed as the spark of life and inspiration within her, simultaneously her lover and her child. This is reflected in the traditional structure of the coven. In one monotheistic form of the Craft, Dianic Wicca, the Goddess is the sole deity, a concept that has been criticised by members of other more egalitarian traditions.
08-21-2011, 05:31 PM
Wiccans cast spells or workings during ritual practices, often held inside a sacred circle, in an attempt to bring about real changes in the physical world (these rituals are further explained in the "Ritual practices" section below). Common Wiccan spells include those used for healing, for protection, fertility, or to banish negative influences. Many early Wiccans, such as Alex Sanders, Sybil Leek and Doreen Valiente, referred to their own magic as "white magic", which contrasted with "black magic", which they associated with evil and Satanism. Sanders also used the similar terminology of "left hand path" to describe malevolent magic, and "right hand path" to describe magic performed with good intentions; terminology that had originated with the occultist Madame Blavatsky in the 19th century. Some modern Wiccans however have stopped using the white-black magic and left-right hand path dichotomies, arguing for instance that the colour black should not necessarily have any associations with evil.
The scholars of religion, Rodney Stark and William Bainbridge, claimed, in 1985, that Wicca had "reacted to secularisation by a headlong plunge back into magic" and that it was a reactionary religion which would soon die out. This view was heavily criticised in 1999 by the historian Ronald Hutton, who claimed that the evidence displayed the very opposite, that "a large number [of Wiccans] were in jobs at the cutting edge [of scientific culture], such as computer technology."
08-21-2011, 05:33 PM
Morality......... Main article: Wiccan morality
"Bide the Wiccan laws ye must, in perfect love and perfect trust... Mind the Threefold Law ye should - three times bad and three times good... Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill - an it harm none, do what ye will."
Lady Gwen Thompson There exists no dogmatic moral or ethical code followed universally by Wiccans of all traditions, however a majority follow a code known as the Wiccan Rede, which states "an it harm none, do what ye will". This is usually interpreted as a declaration of the freedom to act, along with the necessity of taking responsibility for what follows from one's actions and minimising harm to oneself and others. Another common element of Wiccan morality is the Law of Threefold Return which holds that whatever benevolent or malevolent actions a person performs will return to that person with triple force, or with equal force on each of the three levels of body, mind and spirit, similar to the eastern idea of karma. Both the Rede and the Threefold Law were introduced into the Craft by Gerald Gardner, and subsequently adopted by the Gardnerian and other traditions.
Many Wiccans also seek to cultivate a set of eight virtues mentioned in Doreen Valiente's Charge of the Goddess, these being mirth, reverence, honour, humility, strength, beauty, power and compassion. In Valiente's poem, they are ordered in pairs of complementary opposites, reflecting a dualism that is common throughout Wiccan philosophy. Some lineaged Wiccans also observe a set of Wiccan Laws, commonly called the Craft Laws or Ardanes, 30 of which exist in the Gardnerian tradition and 161 of which are in the Alexandrian tradition. Valiente, one of Gardner's original High Priestesses, argued that the first thirty of these rules were most likely invented by Gerald Gardner himself in mock-archaic language as the by-product of inner conflict within his Bricket Wood coven -  the others were later additions made by Alex Sanders during the 1960s.
Although Gerald Gardner initially demonstrated an aversion to homosexuality, claiming that it brought down "the curse of the goddess", it is now generally accepted in all traditions of Wicca, with certain groups like the Minoan Brotherhood openly crafting their philosophy around it, and various important figures in the Craft, such as Alex Sanders and Eddie Buczynski, being openly homosexual or bisexual.
08-21-2011, 05:36 PM
Practices........... The Neopagan researcher and High Priestess Margot Adler, who defined ritual as being "one method of reintegrating individuals and groups into the cosmos, and to tie in the activities of daily life with their ever present, often forgotten, significance" noted that rituals, celebrations and rites of passage in Wicca are not "dry, formalised, repetitive experiences", but are performed with the purpose of inducing a religious experience in the participants, thereby altering their consciousness. She noted that many Wiccans remain skeptical about the existence of the gods, afterlife etc but remain involved in the Craft because of its ritual experiences, with one, Glenna Turner, saying that "I love myth, dream, visionary art. The Craft is a place where all of these things fit together - beauty, pageantry, music, dance, song, dream."
The High Priest and Craft historian Aidan Kelly claimed that the practices and experiences within Wicca were actually far more important than the beliefs, stating that "it's a religion of ritual rather than theology. The ritual is first; the myth is second. And taking an attitude that the myths of the Craft are 'true history' in the way a fundamentalist looks at the legends of Genesis really seems crazy. It's an alien head-space."
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>It is for this reason that Adler stated that "ironically, considering the many pronouncements against Witchcraft as a threat to reason, the Craft is one of the few religious viewpoints totally compatible with modern science, allowing total scepticism about even its own methods, myths and rituals".</span>
08-21-2011, 05:48 PM
Acceptance of Wiccans...... Religious discrimination against Neopagans
The use of the inverted pentagram by the Church of Satan has contributed to the misidentification of Wiccans as Satanists.Wicca emerged in a predominantly Christian country, and from its inception suffered opposition from certain Christian groups and from the popular tabloids like the News of the World. This has continued till this day, and some Christians have asserted that Wicca is a form of Satanism, despite important differences between these religions, such as the lack of a Satan-like figure in Wiccan theology. Due to negative connotations associated with witchcraft, many Wiccans continue the traditional practice of secrecy, concealing their faith for fear of persecution. Revealing oneself as Wiccan to family, friends or colleagues is often termed "coming out of the broom-closet". In a similar way, some people have accused Wicca of being anti-Christian, a claim disputed by Wiccans such as Doreen Valiente, who stated that whilst she knew many Wiccans who admired Jesus, "witches have little respect for the doctrines of the churches, which they regard as a lot of man-made dogma".
In the United States, a number of legal decisions have improved and validated the status of Wiccans, especially Dettmer v. Landon in 1985. However, Wiccans have encountered hostility from some politicians and Christian organisations, including former president of the United States George W. Bush, who stated that he did not believe Wicca to be a religion
08-21-2011, 05:59 PM
So, the Baptists wanted to hav a Witchburning, allbeit a Witchelectrocution (or a Witchpoizoning).
And the prix nearly got one. Bunch of prix!!!!!!!!
08-21-2011, 09:23 PM
.........The Salem witch trials were a series of hearings before county court trials to prosecute people accused of witchcraft in the counties of Essex, Suffolk, and Middlesex in colonial Massachusetts, between February 1692 and May 1693. Despite being generally known as the Salem witch trials, the preliminary hearings in 1692 were conducted in a variety of towns across the province: Salem Village (now Danvers), Ipswich, Andover and Salem Town.
The best-known trials were conducted by the Court of Oyer and Terminer in 1692 in Salem Town. Over 150 people were arrested and imprisoned, with even more accused but not formally pursued by the authorities. All twenty-six who went to trial before this court were convicted. The four sessions of the Superior Court of Judicature in 1693, held in Salem Village, but also in Ipswich, Boston and Charlestown, produced only three convictions in the thirty-one witchcraft trials it conducted. The two courts convicted twenty-nine people of the capital felony of witchcraft. Nineteen of the accused, fourteen women and five men, were executed by hanging.
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>One man, Giles Corey, refused to enter a plea and was crushed to death under heavy stones in an attempt to force him to do so. At least five more of the accused died in prison.</span>
The episode is one of the most famous cases of mass hysteria, and has been used in political rhetoric and popular literature as a vivid cautionary tale about the dangers of isolationism, religious extremism, false accusations, lapses in due process, and local governmental intrusion on individual liberties.......
IN THE TAPES OF THE WMPD INTERVIEWS U KAN KLEERLY SEE SOME LARGE STONES IN THE CORNER OF THE ROOM.
AND, HAV A CLOSER LOOK AT THE CLOCK ON THE WALL -- THE YEAR HAND IZ ON 1693.
just watch the first part (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR2sVKssjsI&feature=related)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Q. "Do feel the people who done this were worshipping Satan?"
A. "Sure I do. Just look at the freaks! Just look at them. They look like punks."</div></div>
Right at the 2.40 mark you hear a voice saying, " I see no motive." That's the chief detective. He's lying.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Theys innocent. The killer(s) killed somewheres else. </div></div>
If that's correkt /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif, then the whole confession was false. Which actually fits the facts.
The cops assumed the kids were sexually abused before it was confirmed that they were not. In the confession from Jessie Misskelley [ I.Q 72 ], he says Echols raped one of the kids. ie, he told the story they gave him.
The cops are the ones who should be in prison.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It appears the DNA is with them.
Now who is the real killer? </div></div>
I blame Bush.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It appears the DNA is with them.
Now who is the real killer? </div></div>
The police don't want to know. If they found the real killer it would show them to have lied, conspired and withheld evidence in order to get a conviction. This is why they have this deal. ie the innocent get out of jail,[ after 18 years!], but they can't sue.
No repercussions. No crooked cop goes to jail for 'bearing false witness.'
Why did the Arkansas SC uphold the convictions?
Why did they plead guilty?
What "FALSE WITNESS" did the police conduct?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why did they plead guilty?
You know why. They did it to get out of jail.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What "FALSE WITNESS" did the police conduct? </div></div>
Where to start.
go here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yx0dJivmMI&feature=related)
If you to the 10.35 mark, he says,
"When I was there, I saw Damien hit this one, hit this one boy real bad and then uh, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>and he started screwing them and stuff."</span>
In the beginning of the video the detective says he can't think of a motive! Three 8 year old kids, found naked and hog tied and you can't think of a motive?
The cops believed they were molested. When the kid [ IQ 72 ] gave his 'confession', it was the story the cops told him to tell.
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Guess what, NONE of the kids were molested</span>. This was a crime of extreme violence. No ritual. No sex element.
Your own link ... again ... disputes your conclusion:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Afterward, defense attorney Dennis Riordon, described the arcane procedure as "oxymoronic" and that nothing like it had ever happened in American jurisprudence. <span style='font-size: 11pt'>He explained that the legal standard to entertain a plea required the judge to first decide that there was sufficient evidence to show the defendants would be acquitted if granted a new trial. But then he also had to decide, in accepting an Alford guilty plea, that there was sufficient evidence for conviction.</span>
A news conference by parties in the case followed. Prosecutor Scott Ellington defended the decision, though he held firmly to the state's belief that the defendants were the only ones responsible for the three deaths. He made clear further investigation of others was NOT planned. He released a statement we've printed in full on another post <span style='font-size: 11pt'>He said he believed there was a strong chance a new trial would have been ordered because of jury misconduct, a fact along with new DNA evidence that complicated the case for the state. At this point, it would have been "practically impossible to put on a proper case against defendants," he said.</span> </div></div>
This is the most bizarre case I hjave ever heard of. In summation:
1 - They plead guilty.
2 - They claimed innocence.
3 - The judge believed there was sufficient evidence for acquittal at a new trial.
4 - The judge also believed there was enough evidence for a second conviction at a new trial.
5 - The prosecutor believed that they would get a new trial.
6 - The prosecutor believed they would be acquitted in a new trial.
It makes absolutely no sense for either the judge, the accused, or the prosecution to act as they have ... yet they all have.
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