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eg8r
08-24-2011, 07:21 AM
Can someone from the left please defend Biden and offer some explanation as to what they think he meant?

eg8r

Sev
08-24-2011, 07:46 AM
Got to love love Joe.
Every excursion is an adventure. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Qtec
08-24-2011, 11:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While in Chengdu, China yesterday, Biden gave the Chinese<u> a backhanded compliment slash criticism of their welfare state.</u> China’s rapidly aging population will soon encounter the structural problem that happens when you have a larger senior population that requires the support of a much smaller working population to sustain the social-welfare state.

“Your policy has been one which I fully understand -- I’m not second-guessing -- of one child per family,” said Biden. “The result being that you’re in a position where one wage earner will be taking care of four retired people. Not sustainable.”
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The less diplomatic translation of Biden’s comments amounts to: “you people are in for a s**t storm, but don’t blame the messenger.”</span> We won’t Joe, but I can’t speak for our Communist masters. They’re quite literal over there.

China faces another rapidly accelerating problem; a male-heavy population. There are about 105 Chinese males born for every female, which means in about 30 years or so there will be a lot of bachelors that cannot find a spouse. This problem is compounded by China’s cultural affinity for family and the stigma associated with being a single, adult male. China’s government has to find something for those people to do and, historically, military adventurism has provided male-heavy populations a quick and dirty remedy for overcrowding.

Some among the antediluvian set believe that a state-instituted policy of mandated abortions and forced sterilization is a bit heavy handed. Well, they simply don’t understand just how crowded China is. Furthermore, it is an acknowledged fact that children without a sibling that are raised in an affluent society grow up to be well-adjusted and productive. So stop giving Uncle Joe​ a tough time, guys. He’s just telling it like it is.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Will this statement come to bite Joe back home or is this a refreshing, fact-based critique of the Chinese system?</span></div></div>

Just more false outrage from the RW noise machine.

Q

eg8r
08-24-2011, 12:05 PM
So you don't want to give this a shot? Do you let other people speak for you in your every day life also?

eg8r

Soflasnapper
08-24-2011, 03:19 PM
How about this language:

"I understand the arguments made for capital punishment, and I don't second guess them. (They are correct, in so far as they go. However, I still oppose it, using arguments from another angle.)"

cushioncrawler
08-24-2011, 06:57 PM
By my calcs if familys hav 2 kids u will hav 2 workers supporting 8, ie themselves plus 6 others = a ratio of 1 : 4.

If familys hav 1 kid u will hav 3 workers supporting 15, ie themselves plus 12 others = a ratio of 1 : 5.

Both of the abov cases are based on dads working and mums not -- and granddads working and grandma's not -- and greatgranddads and greatgrandmas both not working.

So, 2 kids versus 1 kid iz like komparing 1:4 with 1:5 -- no big deal.

But wait, there's more. With 2 kids per family, the extended family group livs in say 3 houses. And in theory it will allways be in 3 houses.

But, with 1 kid per family, the extended family group lives in 7 houses, and it will allways be 7. But the one happy kid will hav a choice of 4 houses to live in, ie when the 8 greatgrandadsnmums all die.

The kid will pick one house, and sell three, praps to someone from theusofa. Then, invest the money and liv happyly ever after without working at all.

In fakt, if the kid wants, and pairs up with another kid, they kan liv in one house and between them they will hav 7 houses to sell, praps to Biden's large family.

And, in china, this will be the case generation after generation. Lots of chineze walking around playing golf etc living off their investments.
mac.

cushioncrawler
08-24-2011, 07:18 PM
Thats good stuff there mac, but u hav missed some important points.
If Biden's familys hav 3 kids each, then each kid will havta find part of the money for a house, praps say 1/3rd of the cost of a house. This iz koz there will never be enuff greatgrandadnmum houses to cater for all of the greatgrandkids.

Plus, each kid will havta pay for part of a new housing subdivision and a new school and a new factory subdivision etc etc etc. Every kid, every generation. For ever and ever.
mac.

cushioncrawler
08-24-2011, 07:49 PM
Hmmmm -- yes, i kan follow that. And dont forget that while Biden's family iz paying for part of a new faktory subdivision etc, the chineze greatgrandkid iz inheriting a part of a faktory.

In effekt the chinese need for houses and faktrys and everything halves each generation. Az kids grow up they kan sell and invest a half of what iz out there -- ie houses, faktrys, skools, the lot -- and invest.
mac.

cushioncrawler
08-24-2011, 09:01 PM
wikileads...........
The one-child policy; literally "policy of birth planning" refers to the one-child limitation applying to a minority of families in the population control policy of the People's Republic of China (PRC). The Chinese government refers to it under the official translation of family planning policy.[1] It officially restricts married, urban couples to having only one child, although it allows exemptions for several cases, including rural couples, ethnic minorities, and parents without any siblings themselves.[2] A spokesperson of the Committee on the One-Child Policy has said that approximately 35.9% of China's population is currently subject to the one-child restriction.[3] The Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macau are completely exempt from the policy. Also exempt from this law are foreigners living in China.

The policy was introduced in 1978 and initially applied to first-born children in the year of 1979. It was created by the Chinese government to alleviate social, economic, and environmental problems in China,[4] and authorities claim that the policy has prevented between 250 and 300 million births from its implementation until 2000,[2] and 400 million births from 1979 to 2011. The policy is controversial both within and outside China because of the manner in which the policy has been implemented, and because of concerns about negative social consequences.[5] The policy has been implicated in an increase in forced abortions,[6] female infanticide, and underreporting[7] of female births, and has been suggested as a possible cause behind China's gender imbalance. Nonetheless, a 2008 survey undertaken by the Pew Research Center reported that 76% of the Chinese population supports the policy.[8]

The policy is enforced at the provincial level through fines that are imposed based on the income of the family and other factors. Population and Family Planning Commissions (Chinese: 计划生育委员会) exist at every level of government to raise awareness about the issue and carry out registration and inspection work. Despite this policy, there are still many citizens that continue to have more than one child.[9]

In 2008, China's National Population and Family Planning Commission said that the policy will remain in place for at least another decade.[10] In 2010, it was announced that the majority of the citizens first subject to the policy are no longer of reproductive age and it has been speculated that many citizens simply disregard or violate the policy in more recent years. Still, the deputy director of the Commission stated that the policy would remain unaltered until at least 2015.[11] In March 2011, the Chinese government reviewed the policy and expressed considerations to allow for couples to have a second child.[12][13]........

cushioncrawler
08-26-2011, 02:05 AM
China's 1 child policy -- will this lead to a shit storm for china???? -- what sort of shit????? -- what sort of storm????

Ok, lemmesee -- one child.
Ok, lets say that China meens one child -- for the whole of china. Ok, that one child will one day (when everyone else dies) inherit all of china. That one child will be rich rich rich. It will be a richrich-storm, not a shit-storm.

Ok, one child per family wont be that big a richrich-storm -- it will only be a rich-storm.

A shit-storm. Having 3 kids per family -- thats a shitshit-storm. Not only iz it a shit-storm in the medium term, but its a shitshit-storm in the long term, due to overpopulation.
mac.

cushioncrawler
08-26-2011, 02:07 AM
So, biden figures that world overpopulation iz good, and that a falling population iz a shit-storm.
Silly bugger. But there are plenty that think like him.
mac.