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Qtec
09-01-2011, 07:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DICK CHENEY (MEET THE PRESS NBC 9/8/02): It's now public that in fact he has been seeking to acquire <span style='font-size: 14pt'>and we have been able to intercept to prevent him from acquiring through this particular channel the kinds of tubes that are necessary to build a centrifuge and the centrifuge is required to take low grade uranium and enhance it into highly enriched uranium which is what you have to have in order to build a bomb."</span>

BILL MOYERS: Did you see that performance?

BOB SIMON: I did.

BILL MOYERS: What did you think?

BOB SIMON: I thought it was remarkable.

BILL MOYERS: Why?

BOB SIMON: Remarkable. You leak a story, and then you quote the story. I mean, that's a remarkable thing to do.

BILL MOYERS: <span style='font-size: 14pt'>And that's only part of it. Using the identical language of the anonymous sources quoted in the TIMES, top officials were now invoking the ultimate spectre of nuclear war -- the smoking gun as mushroom cloud.</span> </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BILL MOYERS: <u>Critics point to September eight, 2002 and to your show in particular, as the classic case of how the press and the government became inseparable.</u>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Someone in the administration plants a dramatic story in the NEW YORK TIMES And then the Vice President comes on your show and points to the NEW YORK TIMES. <u>It's a circular, self-confirming leak.</u></span>

TIM RUSSERT: I don't know how Judith Miller and Michael Gordon reported that story, who their sources were. It was a front-page story of the NEW YORK TIMES. When Secretary Rice and Vice President Cheney and others came up that Sunday morning on all the Sunday shows, they did exactly that. </div></div>

Cheney planted the story through Libby.

He never mentioned that the USA knew about these tubes before they even left the factory - in China!

Cheney et al used this planted story to crank up the fear factor on Saddam having a [ non-existent ] nuke.


Q......... link (http://crooksandliars.com/2007/04/26/moyers-and-russert-and-cheney-oh-my)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In 2000, Iraq ordered, via a company in Jordan, 60,000 high-strength aluminum tubes manufactured from 7075-T4 aluminum with an outer diameter of 81 mm, and an inner diameter of 74.4 mm, a wall thickness of 3.3 mm and a length of 900 mm, to be manufactured in China. <u>These tubes were classified as controlled items by the United Nations and Iraq was not permitted to import them.</u>[2]

The order was placed with an Australian company, International Aluminum Supply (IAS), which was associated with Kam Kiu Propriety Limited, a subsidiary of the Chinese company that would do the manufacturing. Concerned that the tubes might be related to Iraqi efforts to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program, Garry Cordukes, the director of the company, contacted the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS). <span style='font-size: 14pt'>In turn, ASIS notified U.S. intelligence services.</span>

ASIS also asked Cordukes to obtain a sample of the tubes for examination. He obtained one and handed it over to the ASIS.

On May 23, 2001, a container load of about 3,000 aluminum tubes left the factory in southern China. It traveled on a barge to Hong Kong. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was watching its progress,</span> as was the ASIS. In July 2001, the tubes were seized in Jordan by the Jordianian secret police and the CIA, according to a CIA presentation later that year. </div></div>

LWW
09-01-2011, 08:02 AM
You should read THIS (https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol48no4/bombs_in_garden.html).

ugotda7
09-01-2011, 09:05 AM
You better watch it.....your head might explode.

Qtec
09-01-2011, 09:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bomb In My Garden is not documented with sources, </div></div>

Just one defectors story and we know how accurate the defectors stories were.

What has this got to do with Cheney deceiving the US people on Meet the Press.

Q

LWW
09-01-2011, 09:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bomb In My Garden is not documented with sources, </div></div>

Just one defectors story and we know how accurate the defectors stories were.

What has this got to do with Cheney deceiving the US people on Meet the Press.

Q

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Why did you deceitfully truncate the quote where you did?

The paragraph in it's entirety follows:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bomb In My Garden is not documented with sources, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>but the names, dates, and events discussed allow checking of key facts. Moreover, the former head of the UN Iraqi Survey Group, David Kay, and a number of American nuclear specialists find the story largely accurate and compelling as indicated by their comments in the book and on the dust jacket.</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>Mahdi Obeidi concludes that Saddam came close to having an atom bomb in 1991 and probably</span> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>intended to restart the program given an opportunity.</span> As to the future, Obeidi warns the reader that “illicit nuclear programs share a common weak spot: they need international complicity” to succeed, and there are many unemployed nuclear scientists still in Iraq. </div></div>

LWW
09-01-2011, 09:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bomb In My Garden is not documented with sources, </div></div>

Just one defectors story and we know how accurate the defectors stories were.

What has this got to do with Cheney deceiving the US people on Meet the Press.

Q

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It has everything to do with it as your source's clear implication is that Saddamite Hussinsein was a guy that had no nuclear weapons capability nor desire.

This is clearly false ... but, it doesn't advance your agenda of hate towards <span style='font-size: 14pt'>B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!!!</span> and <span style='font-size: 14pt'>CH-CH-CH-CHENEY!!!!</span>

Gayle in MD
09-01-2011, 10:06 AM
My only beef with Nancy Pelosi, and with the President, is that they have not done the right thing, regarding what should have happened to the entire top level of the Bush Administration.

Regardless of how Cheney tries to spin or justify his many war crimes, the fact is, we have the treaty to read, we have the FISA law to read, we have the Constitution to read, and we have proof the Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld, all committed Treason, AND War Crimes.

I believe that every patriotic American, and every person of human dignity, should be outraged, and that we should continue to demand that the Department Of Justice, launch the appropriate investigations into their war crimes, and the Unconstitutional actions they took when they launched a war of aggression, agsint a country which had never attacked us on our shores, (against not only our Constitution, but against the Geneva conventions) broke the FISA laws, when they spied on Americans, and clearly, launched a concerted organized group effort, approved by Bush and launched by Cheney, straight out of the Vice Presiden't s office, and outed a covert CIA NOC Agent, which clearly, is the reason why Scooter Libby was convicted of five felony counts, incuding lying to prosecutors, and obstructing justice.

If the White Houses had not blocked the investigation, and tried to cover up their crime, and refused to actually come clean, for two to three months after they were under investigation, there would never have been an appointment of a Special Prosecutor by the Department of Justice.

The failure to follow through with appropriate legal remedies regarding these unAMerican Activities, and WAR CRIMES, and treasonist acts, committed by Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld, continues to threaten our rights, to privacy, to protection from more illegal wars in the future, and basically has grown to a level which threatens the future of all of our Constitutional protections, as citizens.

It seems to me that having pulled off these highly criminal acts, the Republican Party has continued to ignore appropriate behavior, and cntinued to commit unprecedented acts which are disrespectful to the Office of the Presidency, and have continued to try to legislate measures both at the Federal and State levels, which threaten our rights, and ignore The Constitution, of our country.

As Representatives of the American people, they have continued to lie to Americans, and sabotage the urgent actions which we need to be addressing, and promoting, at this time of national emergency.

In doing so, they are basically committing Treason, against our country, again, as well, and displaying gross negligence.


Dick Cheney, a man who, at the very least, should be serving a life sentence, for the many people that he and Goerge Bush have murdered, the many lies they told us, and the many lives they destroyed and tortured, should be stalked by every American who cares about our Constitution, everywhere they show up, regardless of where or why, either to peddle their self-serving disgusting books of lies, or to sit down and have dinner, they should be stalked and harrassed for the rest of their lives, by Americans who value human rights, and the COTUSA.

G.

Qtec
09-01-2011, 10:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bomb In My Garden is not documented with sources, </div></div>

Just one defectors story and we know how accurate the defectors stories were.

What has this got to do with Cheney deceiving the US people on Meet the Press.

Q

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Why did you deceitfully truncate the quote where you did?

The paragraph in it's entirety follows:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bomb In My Garden <span style='font-size: 14pt'>is not documented with sources</span>, but the names, dates, and events discussed allow checking of key facts<span style="color: #990000">..and?????????? </span>Moreover, the former head of the UN Iraqi Survey Group, David Kay, and a number of American nuclear specialists find the story <span style='font-size: 14pt'>largely accurate</span> <span style="color: #990000">ie not accurate.</span>and compelling as indicated by their comments in the book and <span style='font-size: 14pt'>on the dust jacket.</span><span style="color: #990000"> LOL</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>Mahdi Obeidi concludes that Saddam came close to having an atom bomb in 1991 and <span style='font-size: 17pt'>probably</span></span> intended to restart the program given an opportunity. As to the future, Obeidi warns the reader that “illicit nuclear programs share a common weak spot: they need international complicity” to succeed, and there are many unemployed nuclear scientists still in Iraq. </div></div>
</div></div>


ie, not proof.


<span style='font-size: 17pt'>What has this got to do with Cheney deceiving the US people on Meet the Press.</span>

Q

LWW
09-01-2011, 11:08 AM
Because your handlers demand that you rebuke the answer doesn't change the answer's validity.

eg8r
09-01-2011, 11:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just one defectors story and we know how accurate the defectors stories were.
</div></div>What a schmuck. Now defector stories are not accurate yet they were your only sources when defecting from W?

eg8r

LWW
09-01-2011, 12:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just one defectors story and we know how accurate the defectors stories were.
</div></div>What a schmuck. Now defector stories are not accurate yet they were your only sources when defecting from W?

eg8r </div></div>

As I've always said ... if the claim is against Bush, snoopy believes no evidence is needed. If the claim supports Bush ... snoopy believes that no amount of evidence is sufficient.

Oddly ... the link I gave is from the Obama regime.

Qtec
09-01-2011, 09:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just one defectors story and we know how accurate the defectors stories were.
</div></div>What a schmuck. Now defector stories are not accurate yet they were your only sources when defecting from W?

eg8r </div></div>

What defectors from W <span style="color: #990000">[?]</span> were my only sources'?

Q

Sid_Vicious
09-02-2011, 04:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My only beef with Nancy Pelosi, and with the President, is that they have not done the right thing, regarding what should have happened to the entire top level of the Bush Administration.

Regardless of how Cheney tries to spin or justify his many war crimes, the fact is, we have the treaty to read, we have the FISA law to read, we have the Constitution to read, and we have proof the Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld, all committed Treason, AND War Crimes.

I believe that every patriotic American, and every person of human dignity, should be outraged, and that we should continue to demand that the Department Of Justice, launch the appropriate investigations into their war crimes, and the Unconstitutional actions they took when they launched a war of aggression, agsint a country which had never attacked us on our shores, (against not only our Constitution, but against the Geneva conventions) broke the FISA laws, when they spied on Americans, and clearly, launched a concerted organized group effort, approved by Bush and launched by Cheney, straight out of the Vice Presiden't s office, and outed a covert CIA NOC Agent, which clearly, is the reason why Scooter Libby was convicted of five felony counts, incuding lying to prosecutors, and obstructing justice.

If the White Houses had not blocked the investigation, and tried to cover up their crime, and refused to actually come clean, for two to three months after they were under investigation, there would never have been an appointment of a Special Prosecutor by the Department of Justice.

The failure to follow through with appropriate legal remedies regarding these unAMerican Activities, and WAR CRIMES, and treasonist acts, committed by Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld, continues to threaten our rights, to privacy, to protection from more illegal wars in the future, and basically has grown to a level which threatens the future of all of our Constitutional protections, as citizens.

It seems to me that having pulled off these highly criminal acts, the Republican Party has continued to ignore appropriate behavior, and cntinued to commit unprecedented acts which are disrespectful to the Office of the Presidency, and have continued to try to legislate measures both at the Federal and State levels, which threaten our rights, and ignore The Constitution, of our country.

As Representatives of the American people, they have continued to lie to Americans, and sabotage the urgent actions which we need to be addressing, and promoting, at this time of national emergency.

In doing so, they are basically committing Treason, against our country, again, as well, and displaying gross negligence.


Dick Cheney, a man who, at the very least, should be serving a life sentence, for the many people that he and Goerge Bush have murdered, the many lies they told us, and the many lives they destroyed and tortured, should be stalked by every American who cares about our Constitution, everywhere they show up, regardless of where or why, either to peddle their self-serving disgusting books of lies, or to sit down and have dinner, they should be stalked and harrassed for the rest of their lives, by Americans who value human rights, and the COTUSA.

G.

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Obama and Pelosi have been wusses all along Gayle. I definitely agree that is is a real stain on this country in the fact that Bush and Cheney's crimes were swept under the carpet. It kinda reminds me of Vietnam and how that ugly situation was illegally allowed for so long, costing so many American lives, just because "we politicians here in The USA couldn't be wrong!"
To beat a dead horse even harder,,,Bill Clinton was hounded into impeachement over crap, while Bush and Cheney KILLED lots of people with thier treasons. Yes, Pelosi and Obama has become part of the problem in their passiveness. We'd been far better off as a country to have cleaned house on Bush back then. This country showed it's dainty panties when they did nothing. Maybe Obama deserves to be one term...sid

Gayle in MD
09-02-2011, 06:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Gayle in MD]My only beef with Nancy Pelosi, and with the President, is that they have not done the right thing, regarding what should have happened to the entire top level of the Bush Administration.

Regardless of how Cheney tries to spin or justify his many war crimes, the fact is, we have the treaty to read, we have the FISA law to read, we have the Constitution to read, and we have proof the Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld, all committed Treason, AND War Crimes.

I believe that every patriotic American, and every person of human dignity, should be outraged, and that we should continue to demand that the Department Of Justice, launch the appropriate investigations into their war crimes, and the Unconstitutional actions they took when they launched a war of aggression, agsint a country which had never attacked us on our shores, (against not only our Constitution, but against the Geneva conventions) broke the FISA laws, when they spied on Americans, and clearly, launched a concerted organized group effort, approved by Bush and launched by Cheney, straight out of the Vice Presiden't s office, and outed a covert CIA NOC Agent, which clearly, is the reason why Scooter Libby was convicted of five felony counts, incuding lying to prosecutors, and obstructing justice.

If the White Houses had not blocked the investigation, and tried to cover up their crime, and refused to actually come clean, for two to three months after they were under investigation, there would never have been an appointment of a Special Prosecutor by the Department of Justice.

The failure to follow through with appropriate legal remedies regarding these unAMerican Activities, and WAR CRIMES, and treasonist acts, committed by Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld, continues to threaten our rights, to privacy, to protection from more illegal wars in the future, and basically has grown to a level which threatens the future of all of our Constitutional protections, as citizens.

It seems to me that having pulled off these highly criminal acts, the Republican Party has continued to ignore appropriate behavior, and cntinued to commit unprecedented acts which are disrespectful to the Office of the Presidency, and have continued to try to legislate measures both at the Federal and State levels, which threaten our rights, and ignore The Constitution, of our country.

As Representatives of the American people, they have continued to lie to Americans, and sabotage the urgent actions which we need to be addressing, and promoting, at this time of national emergency.

In doing so, they are basically committing Treason, against our country, again, as well, and displaying gross negligence.


Dick Cheney, a man who, at the very least, should be serving a life sentence, for the many people that he and Goerge Bush have murdered, the many lies they told us, and the many lives they destroyed and tortured, should be stalked by every American who cares about our Constitution, everywhere they show up, regardless of where or why, either to peddle their self-serving disgusting books of lies, or to sit down and have dinner, they should be stalked and harrassed for the rest of their lives, by Americans who value human rights, and the COTUSA.



Obama and Pelosi have been wusses all along Gayle. I definitely agree that is is a real stain on this country in the fact that Bush and Cheney's crimes were swept under the carpet. It kinda reminds me of Vietnam and how that ugly situation was illegally allowed for so long, costing so many American lives, just because "we politicians here in The USA couldn't be wrong!"
To beat a dead horse even harder,,,Bill Clinton was hounded into impeachement over crap, while Bush and Cheney KILLED lots of people with thier treasons. Yes, Pelosi and Obama has become part of the problem in their passiveness. We'd been far better off as a country to have cleaned house on Bush back then. This country showed it's dainty panties when they did nothing. Maybe Obama deserves to be one term...sid </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My only beef with Nancy Pelosi, and with the President, is that they have not done the right thing, regarding what should have happened to the entire top level of the Bush Administration.

</div></div>

On this much, we totally agree, Martin...but...


If President Obama is one term, you can just forget any recovery, for all but the wealthy, who actually, havve already recovered, and forget ever restoring Democracy, and the American dream.

You can also forget getting SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and forget any public school education opportunity for ALL of our children.

You can forget any opportunity for the Middle Class to make a come back, as well.

We are teetering on the brink of a full fascist nation, right now, if not already there.

You need to read, or watch, The Shock Doctrine.

IMO, it's unfair to blame this president for the slow recovery, when it is clear, that Repiglicans created this mess, and then filibustered the recovery, blatantly stating their main goal was to make President Obama a one term president, right in the midst of the worse economic mess this country has ever been in, and while he was dealing with trying to overcome the worst legacy since Roosevelt, or, possibly, the worst ever, given that these times are unlike any other we've been through, givenn we have never been in the midst of adjusting to a global economy, and unprecedented corruption, resulting from unprecedented dysfunctional government, for eight long mighmarish years of George Bush's unprecedented spending and borrowing! Ti
You can't get much more irresponsible than than to adopt as a policy, having your numberr one goal, to destroy a President, in the midst of emergency circumstances, like the POS Repiglicans did, just because you want more political power.

Imagine if Tip O'Neill had told REagan, Mu first goal is to destroy your presidency???

What colossal nerve, and irresponsibility.

And what do they offer? Nothing but more yapping about restoring and maintaining the same BS "Trickle Down" social enngineering policies, and more tax cuts for the wealthy corporate pigs, who have stolen our economy, and destroyed our futures, same pigs that put us into the ditch.

Many more people would be out of work right now, without President Obama's stimulus efforts, and the unemployed, would have been thrown under the bus.

We need to restore the Democratic majority, and every American citizen, who cares about our health, our planet, our children's futures, had better get back into that booth and VOTE!

Democratics accomplished an incredible success, with President Obama, AND in the midst of constant filibustering by the PIGS...

Just to mention a few....


Ledbetter Fair Play Act
The Stimulus Bill
Wall St. Reform
Affordable Health Care Act
Repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell
Aid for our first responders on 9/11
Unemployment for our devastated citizenry

Repiglicans fought against all of it!

Nancy Pelosi was THE most, or the Second most successful Speaker Of The House in history.

The Stimulus Bill provided loads of money to the states, saved loads of jobs, and seventy Repiglicans used that money in their states, to stay afloat, and then bashed the President for giving for helping them. They never missed a ribbon cutting, PIGS!


We can't blame this president, Because it took several years to figure out just how deep in the ditch, Bush left this country.

The Democratic Party, is the ONLY hope, for the Middle Class and the poor and hungry people in this country. Repiglicans will only continue to give more to the wealthy top, at our expense, if they maintain control of the Hous, not to mention all of the hard fought humann rights gains we have worked so hard to bring about, annd which they are consistantly dismantling in Flyover States, across this country.

G.

Qtec
09-02-2011, 07:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If President Obama is one term,</div></div>

He is setting his sights on a second term. This go softly on Wall St is a sign that he is making no waves.

Lets hope we see a new Obama after he wins the election. A Republican would be a disaster.

Q

Gayle in MD
09-02-2011, 07:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If President Obama is one term,</div></div>

He is setting his sights on a second term. This go softly on Wall St is a sign that he is making no waves.

Lets hope we see a new Obama after he wins the election. A Republican would be a disaster.

Q </div></div>

There is no doubt in my mind, he will be a very powerful second term President, and he will win this election. Reagans numbers were lower, and his unemployment numbers, were just as bad, if not worse.

No doubt at all, the President will win.

Repigs should have waited until he left, and tried for the next election, after him, before they proved to Middle Class America, that they didn't give a wit about them, or their kids.

Their behavior has been completely outrageous, and their policies will destroy the Middle Class American workers in this country!
G.

eg8r
09-02-2011, 08:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This go softly on Wall St is a sign that he is making no waves.

Lets hope we see a new Obama after he wins the election. A Republican would be a disaster.</div></div>OK so let's get this straight, being soft on Wall Street is something you blamed the Reps for and the reason why we are in this mess in the first place. Now you admit that Obama is doing the same thing in hopes of winning another election and saving the country from the evil Reps. You are telling us Obama is acting like a Rep and that saves us from the Reps? LOL, you have no idea what you are talking about.

eg8r

Qtec
09-02-2011, 09:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You are telling us Obama is acting like a Rep </div></div>

Correct. That's why the country is in the state its in.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK so let's get this straight, being soft on Wall Street is something you blamed the Reps for and the reason why we are in this mess in the first place. </div></div>

Absolutely.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now you admit that Obama is doing the same thing in hopes of winning another election and saving the country from the evil Reps. </div></div>

I didn't say that but that would be the result.

Q



Q

ugotda7
09-02-2011, 11:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If President Obama is one term,</div></div>

He is setting his sights on a second term. This go softly on Wall St is a sign that he is making no waves.

Lets hope we see a new Obama after he wins the election. A Republican would be a disaster.

Q </div></div>

There is no doubt in my mind, he will be a very powerful second term President, and he will win this election. Reagans numbers were lower, and his unemployment numbers, were just as bad, if not worse.

No doubt at all, the President will win.

Repigs should have waited until he left, and tried for the next election, after him, before they proved to Middle Class America, that they didn't give a wit about them, or their kids.

Their behavior has been completely outrageous, and their policies will destroy the Middle Class American workers in this country!
G. </div></div>

Saved for the record......these words are going to taste awfully bad when you eat them later.

eg8r
09-02-2011, 01:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Correct. That's why the country is in the state its in.
</div></div>So now out of left field you start giving Obama some credit for the piss poor economy. LOL, with all this flip flopping you don't know where you stand any more.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-14-2011, 09:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DICK CHENEY (MEET THE PRESS NBC 9/8/02): It's now public that in fact he has been seeking to acquire <span style='font-size: 14pt'>and we have been able to intercept to prevent him from acquiring through this particular channel the kinds of tubes that are necessary to build a centrifuge and the centrifuge is required to take low grade uranium and enhance it into highly enriched uranium which is what you have to have in order to build a bomb."</span>

BILL MOYERS: Did you see that performance?

BOB SIMON: I did.

BILL MOYERS: What did you think?

BOB SIMON: I thought it was remarkable.

BILL MOYERS: Why?

BOB SIMON: Remarkable. You leak a story, and then you quote the story. I mean, that's a remarkable thing to do.

BILL MOYERS: <span style='font-size: 14pt'>And that's only part of it. Using the identical language of the anonymous sources quoted in the TIMES, top officials were now invoking the ultimate spectre of nuclear war -- the smoking gun as mushroom cloud.</span> </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BILL MOYERS: <u>Critics point to September eight, 2002 and to your show in particular, as the classic case of how the press and the government became inseparable.</u>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Someone in the administration plants a dramatic story in the NEW YORK TIMES And then the Vice President comes on your show and points to the NEW YORK TIMES. <u>It's a circular, self-confirming leak.</u></span>

TIM RUSSERT: I don't know how Judith Miller and Michael Gordon reported that story, who their sources were. It was a front-page story of the NEW YORK TIMES. When Secretary Rice and Vice President Cheney and others came up that Sunday morning on all the Sunday shows, they did exactly that. </div></div>

Cheney planted the story through Libby.

He never mentioned that the USA knew about these tubes before they even left the factory - in China!

Cheney et al used this planted story to crank up the fear factor on Saddam having a [ non-existent ] nuke.


Q......... link (http://crooksandliars.com/2007/04/26/moyers-and-russert-and-cheney-oh-my)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In 2000, Iraq ordered, via a company in Jordan, 60,000 high-strength aluminum tubes manufactured from 7075-T4 aluminum with an outer diameter of 81 mm, and an inner diameter of 74.4 mm, a wall thickness of 3.3 mm and a length of 900 mm, to be manufactured in China. <u>These tubes were classified as controlled items by the United Nations and Iraq was not permitted to import them.</u>[2]

The order was placed with an Australian company, International Aluminum Supply (IAS), which was associated with Kam Kiu Propriety Limited, a subsidiary of the Chinese company that would do the manufacturing. Concerned that the tubes might be related to Iraqi efforts to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program, Garry Cordukes, the director of the company, contacted the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS). <span style='font-size: 14pt'>In turn, ASIS notified U.S. intelligence services.</span>

ASIS also asked Cordukes to obtain a sample of the tubes for examination. He obtained one and handed it over to the ASIS.

On May 23, 2001, a container load of about 3,000 aluminum tubes left the factory in southern China. It traveled on a barge to Hong Kong. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was watching its progress,</span> as was the ASIS. In July 2001, the tubes were seized in Jordan by the Jordianian secret police and the CIA, according to a CIA presentation later that year. </div></div>

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We must destroy Repiglican Fascism before it's too late!