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Gayle in MD
09-04-2011, 07:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The so called subprime mortgage crisis - the crisis that brought the global financial system down - how did it happen? How did we let it happen - me, you, the Wall Street people and the people who are now on the verge of losing their homes?

Let's get back to the time when the crisis was still just a big "ordinary" speculative housing bubble. Back then, and for the most of the history of banking, banks would refuse to lend money to people with poor credit history or no income. The qualification guidelines to get a mortgage were pretty tight.

The Excess Capital
At that same time, back in the early 2000's, there was an excess capital globally. The world did not even imagine there would be a global financial crisis and all investment managers were concerned about was where to invest their capital in order to make it grow. Generally, the demand was for low risk investments that paid some nice return.

However, such investment options were not easy to find. This pushed a great amount of money straight into the US mortgage market thanks to the unique and wonderful (on principle) vehicle - securitization.

Here is the big picture and how it works:

An individual gets a mortgage loan from a broker. Then the broker sells the mortgage to a bank, which in its turn again sells the mortgage but this time to an investment firm on Wall Street. Such firms collect thousands of mortgages in one big pile. This in fact represents thousands of mortgage checks coming every month, a monthly income that was supposed to continue for the life of the mortgages. And of course, the firm in its turn sells shares of that income to investors who are willing to buy.

Mortgage backed securities seemed like the perfect solution to the great demand of assets. After all, in the beginning they were wonderful, safe investments - built out of mortgages with big down payments, proven steady income and money in the bank.

And investors loved them - and not only US investors but investors from all over the world.

The Heavy Demand for More Mortgage Backed Securities
The demand for those great, safe mortgage backed securities was really high. In fact, so high, that there was a point somewhere in 2003 when everyone who qualified for a mortgage got one, and still the global pool of money wanted more.

Thus, things needed to change. And they did. The mortgage qualification guidelines did.

At first, the stated income, verified assets (SIVA) loans came out. People didn't have to prove their income any more. They just needed to "state" it and show that they had money in the bank.

Then, the no income, verified assets (NIVA) loans came out. The lender was no longer interested in what you do for a living. People just needed to show some money in their bank accounts.

This wasn't enough to satisfy the huge appetite of global investors. The qualification guidelines kept going looser in order to produce more mortgages, more securities.

This leads us to NINA. Have you heard of NINA?

NINA is an abbreviation of No Income No Assets. Basically, NINA loans are official loan products and let you borrow money without having to prove or even state anything. All you needed to have in order to get a mortgage was a credit score.

Why would a bank loosen its criteria for lending money so much? Well, banks didn't keep these mortgages. They didn't care whether they are risky and the borrower will ever pay them back simply because they sold the mortgages to Wall Street. The Wall Street then sold them to global investors ... as low risk investments.

The Risk
Why would any investor consider mortgage backed securities low risk investments?

Well, investors use a special system to assess risk. Credit rating agencies, such as Standard & Poor's, Moody's, and Fitch, give ratings to every type of bond according to its risk. Letter grades mark the safety of the investments - triple A is given to the safest ones, for example US government bonds.

And in this case, the credit rating agencies blessed most of the mortgage backed securities with AAA rating.

The problem with this high rating is that agencies used the wrong data to estimate the risk. Looking back historically, what they saw was a very low rate of defaulting, a very low foreclosure rate. However, the current situation was different - with new qualification requirements, new mortgages given to people who would never have gotten them before, and of course, a big speculative housing bubble that was eventually going to pop.

The Housing Bubble
Up to 2006, the housing market in the US was flourishing.

It was easy to get a home loan, so more people wanted to buy a house. The increased housing demand increased in return the prices. The increased prices attracted investors who were looking to buy houses as an investment, only to sell it later for more. This further created more demand and further increased the prices - a classic speculative housing bubble.

And because of the rising prices, the consequences from all the "bad" loans given to people who could not afford them were delayed. Whenever people experienced difficulties making their mortgage payments, they could easily take another loan against the value of their house, simply because now it was worth more.

Basically, they went into more debt in order to pay off their debts. Thus, the housing bubble made home equity loans and home equity lines of credit extremely popular.

The Breaking Point which Turned the Problem into a Crisis
However, in contrast to the rising house prices, the average household income didn't increase. Thus, despite all the incentives and exotic mortgage products, people just couldn't afford those high prices and it was only a matter of time for the problem to come out.

And it did. The big housing bubble burst, the property values stopped increasing and the whole thing came to a point when the mortgage lending industry started witnessing something new - many people defaulted on their very first mortgage payment.

What happened was a chain of reactions very similar to those in the housing bubble but only in the opposite direction. The number of people who defaulted on their mortgages increased more and more which in return increased the number of houses on the market. The oversupply of houses and lack of buyers pushed the house prices down till they really plunged in late 2006 and early 2007.

That was the point when people on Wall Street started to panic. They no longer wanted to buy risky mortgages. Mortgage companies, which used to sell risky loans, experienced the devastating consequences of going out of business.

Unfortunately it was already too late for everybody.

The market has already absorbed enormous amounts of these securities. All kinds of investors from all over the world - individuals and big financial institutions - basically have bought these AAA rated mortgage securities thinking that it was almost as safe as putting money in a savings account. Now that the complexity and the real risk of these securities came out, most of them are already worth less than half their initial value and all those investors lost a great deal of money.

Moreover, foreclosures keep springing up. In the past mortgages were held in the books of financial institutions such as banks, who had real interest in working with their borrowers and making sure that everything possible is done to pay back the loans. However, in the current situation, mortgages have been sold and resold and pooled together into securities and sold to investors in the financial market. It is really really hard to even find who the actual current owner of mortgage is. And it is just as hard to prevent foreclosures.



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<span style="color: #990000"> I'm really disgusted with the Right blaming consumers, and Democratics, annd Fannie and Freddie, for the mortgage crisis.

Particularly those who try to blame the CRA, community Reinvestment Act, which had absolutely nothing to do with what happened.

The Mortgage Crisis happened structly because of GREED by Predatory Lenders, and crpooks on Wall St. and was a done deal, as I have stated all along, by the time the Democratic Representatives had the majority.

People working in the Predatory Lending market, were paid bonuses, the more bad loans they pushed through, the more money they made.

Hence, no oversight, under Bush's "Ownership Society" and Alan Greenspan's continued low interest rates, and his deregulatory insistance, from the late 90's, throughout, until he left his own mess behind him, just as Bush did, all of it was driven by investors, greedy banks and corrupt lending corporations, like Country Wide, and with complete negligence as to the horrendous situation they were creating, they were too busy creating exotic instruments, in order to hide even more of their gross greed and fraud, and was exacerbated by the loss of income that Middle Class Americans suffered throughout the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy, loss of income for all of the rest, whose jobs were being outsourced by the many of them same greedy corporate PIGS, who were being subsidized by our own money, hiding their cold cash off shore, and didn't care about anything but their bottom line, and to hell with their country.

All of this was also exacerbated by the Greed and corruption in the Health Industry, and the Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical Industry, which Bush and Repiglicans refused to address, and even prevented any competition or savings, that could have lessoned the costs, for the citizens who were struggling to pay for their health needs.

As the article PROVES, this was a done deal, by the time Democratics gained the majority.

G. </span>

Gayle in MD
09-04-2011, 08:06 AM
And the right is silent, LMAO!

LWW
09-04-2011, 10:54 AM
I'm really disgusted at how easily punk'd folks like you are.

Your spoon wielder left out a critical point ... why were these mortgage backed securities so popular?

The answer is that many were actually bought by FANNIE and FREDDIE and resold by them. These carried the implicit guarantee of Uncle Sam to make good on them should they ever default.

Most of the rest were covered by the explicit guarantee of FDIC coverage following the repeal of Glass-Stegal.

The balance also carried the explicit guarantee of Uncle Sam through USDA Farm Loans, FHA, VA etcetera.

For FANNIE/FREDDIE/USDA/FHA/VA loans ... they set the lending standards and are completely responsible for their own stupidity.

For those which fell under FDIC protection ... they were the result of gubmint intervention in free markets.

Boiled down simply the deal was that you could make whatever kind of loans you wanted as a bank. If they worked out ... you kept the profits. If they ddn't and broke the bank ... no big deal as you had a guaranteed bailout plan in place from the feds.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled delusion.

eg8r
09-05-2011, 06:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm really disgusted with the Right blaming consumers, and Democratics, annd Fannie and Freddie, for the mortgage crisis.
</div></div>You always did shy away from reality.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-14-2011, 09:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The so called subprime mortgage crisis - the crisis that brought the global financial system down - how did it happen? How did we let it happen - me, you, the Wall Street people and the people who are now on the verge of losing their homes?

Let's get back to the time when the crisis was still just a big "ordinary" speculative housing bubble. Back then, and for the most of the history of banking, banks would refuse to lend money to people with poor credit history or no income. The qualification guidelines to get a mortgage were pretty tight.

The Excess Capital
At that same time, back in the early 2000's, there was an excess capital globally. The world did not even imagine there would be a global financial crisis and all investment managers were concerned about was where to invest their capital in order to make it grow. Generally, the demand was for low risk investments that paid some nice return.

However, such investment options were not easy to find. This pushed a great amount of money straight into the US mortgage market thanks to the unique and wonderful (on principle) vehicle - securitization.

Here is the big picture and how it works:

An individual gets a mortgage loan from a broker. Then the broker sells the mortgage to a bank, which in its turn again sells the mortgage but this time to an investment firm on Wall Street. Such firms collect thousands of mortgages in one big pile. This in fact represents thousands of mortgage checks coming every month, a monthly income that was supposed to continue for the life of the mortgages. And of course, the firm in its turn sells shares of that income to investors who are willing to buy.

Mortgage backed securities seemed like the perfect solution to the great demand of assets. After all, in the beginning they were wonderful, safe investments - built out of mortgages with big down payments, proven steady income and money in the bank.

And investors loved them - and not only US investors but investors from all over the world.

The Heavy Demand for More Mortgage Backed Securities
The demand for those great, safe mortgage backed securities was really high. In fact, so high, that there was a point somewhere in 2003 when everyone who qualified for a mortgage got one, and still the global pool of money wanted more.

Thus, things needed to change. And they did. The mortgage qualification guidelines did.

At first, the stated income, verified assets (SIVA) loans came out. People didn't have to prove their income any more. They just needed to "state" it and show that they had money in the bank.

Then, the no income, verified assets (NIVA) loans came out. The lender was no longer interested in what you do for a living. People just needed to show some money in their bank accounts.

This wasn't enough to satisfy the huge appetite of global investors. The qualification guidelines kept going looser in order to produce more mortgages, more securities.

This leads us to NINA. Have you heard of NINA?

NINA is an abbreviation of No Income No Assets. Basically, NINA loans are official loan products and let you borrow money without having to prove or even state anything. All you needed to have in order to get a mortgage was a credit score.

Why would a bank loosen its criteria for lending money so much? Well, banks didn't keep these mortgages. They didn't care whether they are risky and the borrower will ever pay them back simply because they sold the mortgages to Wall Street. The Wall Street then sold them to global investors ... as low risk investments.

The Risk
Why would any investor consider mortgage backed securities low risk investments?

Well, investors use a special system to assess risk. Credit rating agencies, such as Standard & Poor's, Moody's, and Fitch, give ratings to every type of bond according to its risk. Letter grades mark the safety of the investments - triple A is given to the safest ones, for example US government bonds.

And in this case, the credit rating agencies blessed most of the mortgage backed securities with AAA rating.

The problem with this high rating is that agencies used the wrong data to estimate the risk. Looking back historically, what they saw was a very low rate of defaulting, a very low foreclosure rate. However, the current situation was different - with new qualification requirements, new mortgages given to people who would never have gotten them before, and of course, a big speculative housing bubble that was eventually going to pop.

The Housing Bubble
Up to 2006, the housing market in the US was flourishing.

It was easy to get a home loan, so more people wanted to buy a house. The increased housing demand increased in return the prices. The increased prices attracted investors who were looking to buy houses as an investment, only to sell it later for more. This further created more demand and further increased the prices - a classic speculative housing bubble.

And because of the rising prices, the consequences from all the "bad" loans given to people who could not afford them were delayed. Whenever people experienced difficulties making their mortgage payments, they could easily take another loan against the value of their house, simply because now it was worth more.

Basically, they went into more debt in order to pay off their debts. Thus, the housing bubble made home equity loans and home equity lines of credit extremely popular.

The Breaking Point which Turned the Problem into a Crisis
However, in contrast to the rising house prices, the average household income didn't increase. Thus, despite all the incentives and exotic mortgage products, people just couldn't afford those high prices and it was only a matter of time for the problem to come out.

And it did. The big housing bubble burst, the property values stopped increasing and the whole thing came to a point when the mortgage lending industry started witnessing something new - many people defaulted on their very first mortgage payment.

What happened was a chain of reactions very similar to those in the housing bubble but only in the opposite direction. The number of people who defaulted on their mortgages increased more and more which in return increased the number of houses on the market. The oversupply of houses and lack of buyers pushed the house prices down till they really plunged in late 2006 and early 2007.

That was the point when people on Wall Street started to panic. They no longer wanted to buy risky mortgages. Mortgage companies, which used to sell risky loans, experienced the devastating consequences of going out of business.

Unfortunately it was already too late for everybody.

The market has already absorbed enormous amounts of these securities. All kinds of investors from all over the world - individuals and big financial institutions - basically have bought these AAA rated mortgage securities thinking that it was almost as safe as putting money in a savings account. Now that the complexity and the real risk of these securities came out, most of them are already worth less than half their initial value and all those investors lost a great deal of money.

Moreover, foreclosures keep springing up. In the past mortgages were held in the books of financial institutions such as banks, who had real interest in working with their borrowers and making sure that everything possible is done to pay back the loans. However, in the current situation, mortgages have been sold and resold and pooled together into securities and sold to investors in the financial market. It is really really hard to even find who the actual current owner of mortgage is. And it is just as hard to prevent foreclosures.



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http://www.stock-market-investors.com/st...-explained.html (http://www.stock-market-investors.com/stock-investment-risk/the-subprime-mortgage-crisis-explained.html)


<span style="color: #990000"> I'm really disgusted with the Right blaming consumers, and Democratics, annd Fannie and Freddie, for the mortgage crisis.

Particularly those who try to blame the CRA, community Reinvestment Act, which had absolutely nothing to do with what happened.

The Mortgage Crisis happened structly because of GREED by Predatory Lenders, and crpooks on Wall St. and was a done deal, as I have stated all along, by the time the Democratic Representatives had the majority.

People working in the Predatory Lending market, were paid bonuses, the more bad loans they pushed through, the more money they made.

Hence, no oversight, under Bush's "Ownership Society" and Alan Greenspan's continued low interest rates, and his deregulatory insistance, from the late 90's, throughout, until he left his own mess behind him, just as Bush did, all of it was driven by investors, greedy banks and corrupt lending corporations, like Country Wide, and with complete negligence as to the horrendous situation they were creating, they were too busy creating exotic instruments, in order to hide even more of their gross greed and fraud, and was exacerbated by the loss of income that Middle Class Americans suffered throughout the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy, loss of income for all of the rest, whose jobs were being outsourced by the many of them same greedy corporate PIGS, who were being subsidized by our own money, hiding their cold cash off shore, and didn't care about anything but their bottom line, and to hell with their country.

All of this was also exacerbated by the Greed and corruption in the Health Industry, and the Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical Industry, which Bush and Repiglicans refused to address, and even prevented any competition or savings, that could have lessoned the costs, for the citizens who were struggling to pay for their health needs.

As the article PROVES, this was a done deal, by the time Democratics gained the majority.

G. </span> </div></div>


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