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Qtec
09-06-2011, 01:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Goodbye to All That: <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult</span>

Barbara Stanwyck: "We're both rotten!"

Fred MacMurray: "Yeah - only you're a little more rotten." -"Double Indemnity" (1944)

Those lines of dialogue from a classic film noir sum up the state of the two political parties in contemporary America. Both parties are rotten - how could they not be, given the complete infestation of the political system by corporate money on a scale that now requires a presidential candidate to raise upwards of a billion dollars to be competitive in the general election? Both parties are captives to corporate loot. The main reason the Democrats' health care bill will be a budget buster once it fully phases in is the Democrats' rank capitulation to corporate interests - no single-payer system, in order to mollify the insurers; and no negotiation of drug prices, a craven surrender to Big Pharma.

But both parties are not rotten in quite the same way. The Democrats have their share of machine politicians, careerists, corporate bagmen, egomaniacs and kooks. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Nothing, however, quite matches the modern GOP.</span> </div></div>

Excellent article [long]but worth the read, very revealing.

Q..... here (http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779)

Q

Qtec
09-06-2011, 01:14 AM
For egor.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This constant drizzle of "there the two parties go again!" stories out of the news bureaus, combined with the hazy confusion of low-information voters, means that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the long-term Republican strategy of undermining confidence in our democratic institutions has reaped electoral dividends.</span> <span style="color: #3333FF">The United States has nearly the lowest voter participation among Western democracies; this, again, is a consequence of the decline of trust in government institutions - if government is a racket and both parties are the same, why vote?</span> And if the uninvolved middle declines to vote, it increases the electoral clout of a minority that is constantly being whipped into a lather by three hours daily of Rush Limbaugh or Fox News. There were only 44 million Republican voters in the 2010 mid-term elections, but they effectively canceled the political results of the election of President Obama by 69 million voters.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>This tactic of inducing public distrust of government is not only cynical, it is schizophrenic. For people who profess to revere the Constitution, it is strange that they so caustically denigrate the very federal government that is the material expression of the principles embodied in that document.</span> </div></div>

LWW
09-06-2011, 02:51 AM
Snoopy's Obamatronic brain was not allowed to digest such treasonous thoughts as those.

Qtec
09-06-2011, 03:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Snoopy's Obamatronic brain was not allowed to digest such treasonous thoughts as those. </div></div>

How wrong can a person be??????????

Q

Qtec
09-06-2011, 03:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: synchronous</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both parties are captives to corporate loot.<span style="color: #990000"> I agree.</span> The main reason the Democrats' health care bill will be a budget buster once it fully phases in is the Democrats' rank capitulation to corporate interests <span style="color: #990000">I agree</span> - no single-payer system,<span style="color: #990000">I agree</span> in order to mollify the insurers;I agree and no negotiation of drug prices, a craven surrender to Big Pharma.<span style="color: #990000"> I agree.</span></div></div>

Q

LWW
09-06-2011, 05:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Snoopy's Obamatronic brain was not allowed to digest such treasonous thoughts as those. </div></div>

How wrong can a person be??????????

Q </div></div>

So far, your ability to be wrong has shown no measurable limit.

Gayle in MD
09-06-2011, 07:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: synchronous</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both parties are captives to corporate loot. The main reason the Democrats' health care bill will be a budget buster once it fully phases in is the Democrats' rank capitulation to corporate interests - no single-payer system, in order to mollify the insurers; and no negotiation of drug prices, a craven surrender to Big Pharma. </div></div>

And what did you think Bush's Pharmaceutical give away was?

FYI, it was the Repiglicans who vowed to block votes if Big Pharm cut backs weren't removed from the Health Care Act.


As well, it was the Repiglicans by a huge margin, who blocked the public option. Democratics were for it, but we had to deal with the DINO's from the flyover states!

We can't fix what's wrong in this country, when we have to deal with the uneducated and uninformed, brain washed Bubbas across this country, who are so stupid, that they vote against their own best interests, and continue to put their religious views, above what is best politically for their country, when they choose their representatives.

A commentary to the mess the Repiglicans made of our American Principles of Separation Of Church and State.


The radical RW Supreme Court, has turned Democratic voting into nothing more than a fascist procdess, in a country of corporate cronyism, the God of the Repiglican Deregulatory Party.

Wake up!

G.

LWW
09-06-2011, 07:59 AM
Why did big pharma back Obamacare so vigorously?

It never ceases to amaze me that dembots see pure goodness and light in "THEIR TEAM" and satanic evil in the other.

But ... that was a goal of old Saul, to brainwash the hyper partisan, the naive, and the just plain dumb into seeing it that way.

Gayle in MD
09-06-2011, 09:04 AM
[quote=Qtec] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Goodbye to All That: <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult</span>

Barbara Stanwyck: "We're both rotten!"

Fred MacMurray: "Yeah - only you're a little more rotten." -"Double Indemnity" (1944)

Those lines of dialogue from a classic film noir sum up the state of the two political parties in contemporary America. Both parties are rotten - how could they not be, given the complete infestation of the political system by corporate money on a scale that now requires a presidential candidate to raise upwards of a billion dollars to be competitive in the general election? Both parties are captives to corporate loot. The main reason the Democrats' health care bill will be a budget buster once it fully phases in is the Democrats' rank capitulation to corporate interests - no single-payer system, in order to mollify the insurers; and no negotiation of drug prices, a craven surrender to Big Pharma.

But both parties are not rotten in quite the same way. The Democrats have their share of machine politicians, careerists, corporate bagmen, egomaniacs and kooks. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Nothing, however, quite matches the modern GOP.</span> </div></div>

Excellent article [long]but worth the read, very revealing.

Q..... here (http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779)



Bravo! One of the best I've ever read. I'm going to send it everywhere!

This needs to go viral!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 1. The GOP cares solely and exclusively about its rich contributors. The party has built a whole catechism on the protection and further enrichment of America's plutocracy. Their caterwauling about deficit and debt is so much eyewash to con the public. Whatever else President Obama has accomplished (and many of his purported accomplishments are highly suspect), his $4-trillion deficit reduction package did perform the useful service of smoking out Republican hypocrisy. The GOP refused, because it could not abide so much as a one-tenth of one percent increase on the tax rates of the Walton family or the Koch brothers, much less a repeal of the carried interest rule that permits billionaire hedge fund managers to pay income tax at a lower effective rate than cops or nurses. Republicans finally settled on a deal that had far less deficit reduction - and even less spending reduction! - than Obama's offer, because of their iron resolution to protect at all costs our society's overclass.

Republicans have attempted to camouflage their amorous solicitude for billionaires with a fog of misleading rhetoric. John Boehner is fond of saying, "we won't raise anyone's taxes," as if the take-home pay of an Olive Garden waitress were inextricably bound up with whether Warren Buffett pays his capital gains as ordinary income or at a lower rate. Another chestnut is that millionaires and billionaires are "job creators." US corporations have just had their most profitable quarters in history; Apple, for one, is sitting on $76 billion in cash, more than the GDP of most countries. So, where are the jobs?

Another smokescreen is the "small business" meme, since standing up for Mom's and Pop's corner store is politically more attractive than to be seen shilling for a megacorporation. Raising taxes on the wealthy will kill small business' ability to hire; that is the GOP dirge every time Bernie Sanders or some Democrat offers an amendment to increase taxes on incomes above $1 million. But the number of small businesses that have a net annual income over a million dollars is de minimis, if not by definition impossible (as they would no longer be small businesses). And as data from the Center for Economic and Policy Research have shown, small businesses account for only 7.2 percent of total US employment, a significantly smaller share of total employment than in most Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries.

Likewise, Republicans have assiduously spread the myth that Americans are conspicuously overtaxed. But compared to other OECD countries, the effective rates of US taxation are among the lowest. In particular, they point to the top corporate income rate of 35 percent as being confiscatory Bolshevism. But again, the effective rate is much lower. Did GE pay 35 percent on 2010 profits of $14 billion? No, it paid zero.

When pressed, Republicans make up misleading statistics to "prove" that the America's fiscal burden is being borne by the rich and the rest of us are just freeloaders who don't appreciate that fact. "Half of Americans don't pay taxes" is a perennial meme. But what they leave out is that that statement refers to federal income taxes. There are millions of people who don't pay income taxes, but do contribute payroll taxes - among the most regressive forms of taxation. But according to GOP fiscal theology, payroll taxes don't count. Somehow, they have convinced themselves that since payroll taxes go into trust funds, they're not real taxes. Likewise, state and local sales taxes apparently don't count, although their effect on a poor person buying necessities like foodstuffs is far more regressive than on a millionaire.

All of these half truths and outright lies have seeped into popular culture via the corporate-owned business press. Just listen to CNBC for a few hours and you will hear most of them in one form or another. More important politically, Republicans' myths about taxation have been internalized by millions of economically downscale "values voters," who may have been attracted to the GOP for other reasons (which I will explain later), but who now accept this misinformation as dogma.

And when misinformation isn't enough to sustain popular support for the GOP's agenda, concealment is needed. One fairly innocuous provision in the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill requires public companies to make a more transparent disclosure of CEO compensation, including bonuses. Note that it would not limit the compensation, only require full disclosure. Republicans are hell-bent on repealing this provision. Of course; it would not serve Wall Street interests if the public took an unhealthy interest in the disparity of their own incomes as against that of a bank CEO. As Spencer Bachus, the Republican chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, says, "In Washington, the view is that the banks are to be regulated and my view is that Washington and the regulators are there to serve the banks."
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We have got to get rid of these PIGS!

G.

LWW
09-06-2011, 09:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have got to get rid of these PIGS!

G. </div></div>

How many of these summummabeaches should the regime take out?

100?

1,000?

1,000,000?

Soflasnapper
09-06-2011, 09:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why did big pharma back Obamacare so vigorously?

It never ceases to amaze me that dembots see pure goodness and light in "THEIR TEAM" and satanic evil in the other.

But ... that was a goal of old Saul, to brainwash the hyper partisan, the naive, and the just plain dumb into seeing it that way. </div></div>

It is my impression they did not back it at all, vigorously. Rather, the deal was that they would hold back their opposition, which is an entirely different matter.

Maybe I'm wrong, and you can supply some evidence that they vigorously backed it, instead?

Big insurance was also bought off, in effect, by favoritism to the industry, and they continued to oppose the plan regardless.

Gayle in MD
09-06-2011, 09:53 AM
LOL, Bush and the Repiglicans have blocked any and every effort to bring down the costs of prescription drugs, in fact, Bush performed the big giveaway, during his administration, that has cost us trillions of dollars.

The same could be said about Repigs as regards the costs of health Care, health Insurance, and energy costs.


The resident Tourettes Barker never gives up with his BS spin and distractions from the facts.

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eg8r
09-06-2011, 12:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The United States has nearly the lowest voter participation among Western democracies; this, again, is a consequence of the decline of trust in government institutions - if government is a racket and both parties are the same, why vote? </div></div>So your columnist has an opinion and it is anti-Republican. Should we be surprised qtip would find this "factual" or defining of true American sentiment? Nope, that schmuck will fall for anything.

eg8r

Qtec
09-08-2011, 07:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The United States has nearly the lowest voter participation among Western democracies; this, again, is a consequence of the decline of trust in government institutions - if government is a racket and both parties are the same, why vote? </div></div>So your columnist has an opinion and it is anti-Republican. Should we be surprised qtip would find this "factual" or defining of true American sentiment? Nope, that schmuck will fall for anything.

eg8r </div></div>

Idiot. This guy was a GOP congressional staffer for 30 years.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you think Paul Ryan and his Ayn Rand-worshipping colleagues aren’t after your Social Security and Medicare, I am here to disabuse you of your naiveté. They will move heaven and earth to force through tax cuts that will so starve the government of revenue that they will be “forced” to make “hard choices” – and that doesn’t mean repealing those very same tax cuts, it means cutting the benefits for which you worked. </div></div>


Q

eg8r
09-08-2011, 07:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Idiot. This guy was a GOP congressional staffer for 30 years.
</div></div>Sorry schmuck, I don't toe the party line like you do. I don't care if W said it. You are trying to tell us that because he was a Rep for 30 years we should believe every opinion he spouts and take it as "fact"? Seems like a odd declaration from a partisan hack like yourself.

eg8r

Qtec
09-08-2011, 07:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You are trying to tell us that because he was a Rep for 30 years we should believe every opinion he spouts and take it as "fact"</div></div>

I'm saying that you should consider it instead of dismissing it out of hand.

Q...try actually reading it with an open mind...........LOL........some chance!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> They will move heaven and earth to force through tax cuts that will so starve the government of revenue </div></div>

isn't that what they are doing now?

eg8r
09-08-2011, 07:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q...try actually reading it with an open mind...........LOL........some chance!
</div></div>Actually I was the one with the open mind. I decided to not take the info as "fact" which you did not. You found an article that agreed with and automatically believed it. I decided to question it and that is only because of having an open mind.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">isn't that what they are doing now?
</div></div>Tax cuts generate revenue but knowing you it is easy to see how you would forget that.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-08-2011, 08:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You are trying to tell us that because he was a Rep for 30 years we should believe every opinion he spouts and take it as "fact"</div></div>

I'm saying that you should consider it instead of dismissing it out of hand.

Q...try actually reading it with an open mind...........LOL........some chance!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> They will move heaven and earth to force through tax cuts that will so starve the government of revenue </div></div>

isn't that what they are doing now? </div></div>



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry schmuck, I don't toe the party line like you do. </div></div>


<span style="color: #660000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>BWA HA HA HA HA!!!!

What a crock! Almost as funny as trying to insist that tax cuts creat revenue!!!!

Revenue??? We Need JOBS, and even Greenspan has stated that tax cuts for the wealthy, do not pay for themselves, NOR create JOBS!

Most on the right, are too stupid to bother with at all!

G.</span> </span>

Qtec
09-08-2011, 06:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Q: Have tax cuts always resulted in higher tax revenues and more economic growth as many tax cut proponents claim?

A: No. In fact, economists say tax cuts do not spark enough growth to pay for themselves. </div></div>

link (http://factcheck.org/2008/01/the-impact-of-tax-cuts/)

OK?

Q

eg8r
09-09-2011, 01:02 PM
LOL, qtip finds another website that states what qtip desires to be right and acts like it is fact.

You might want to pass on all this insight you are able to sleuth up and pass it on to Obama since he seems to disagree with your factcheck website.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-09-2011, 01:10 PM
It isn't a web site, it is a living, breathing human being, who worked for decades with Repiglicans, and who has blown the Repiglican's BS false verbiage, aka lies, right out of the water.

He was asked, last night, if the Repiglicans would prefer to see our Bush Recession deepen, and Americans suffer, rather than drop their only goal, to win the White House, and he assures us, absolutely! Political power is their ONLY policy, and they only care about representing the wealthy.



Repiglicans are shameful liars, and not Representatives of all of the people in this country.

G.

eg8r
09-09-2011, 01:31 PM
So factcheck.org isn't a website? qtip sure thought it was when he jumped on the internet and grabbed the quote.

eg8r

Qtec
09-09-2011, 06:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, qtip finds another website that states what qtip desires to be right and acts like it is fact.


eg8r </div></div>

watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaE7QuX-zhU)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Clip from July 19, 2010, Rachel Maddow Show where Rachel uses her typical <u><span style='font-size: 17pt'>command of the facts</span></u>, this time employing historical footage of George H. W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and George Bush the younger <span style='font-size: 17pt'>and various irrefutable economic charts to destroy once and for all the Republican "Voodoo Economics" myth (lie) that tax cuts somehow, magically, pay for themselves and don't add to the deficit.</span> </div></div>

Voodoo economics. Its a con.

Q

eg8r
09-09-2011, 07:41 PM
Well then Obama is the head con artist right now. He is giving even more tax cuts to the rich.

eg8r

Qtec
09-09-2011, 08:12 PM
No he isn't.

Q

eg8r
09-09-2011, 08:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No he isn't.
</div></div>So says the resident village idiot. LOL, he just talked about giving even more money to the rich. He is the head con artist right now.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-10-2011, 08:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well then Obama is the head con artist right now. He is giving even more tax cuts to the rich.

eg8r </div></div>

Another lie. The Jobs Act, hasn't even been fully revealed, and he has stated that we should close the loopholes for the wealthy at the top. Not that policy reality has ever had any impact on you.

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eg8r
09-12-2011, 07:38 AM
LOL, he is giving more tax cuts to the rich.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-14-2011, 09:32 AM
We must destroy Repiglican Fascism before it's too late!