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Qtec
09-07-2011, 12:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jim DeMint explained what the Republican Party's real issue with unions being involved in our politics is with the way he framed this question to Mitt Romney -- <span style='font-size: 14pt'>they support Democratic politicians. </span></div></div>

link (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/mitt-romney-compares-unions-making-campaig)

De Mint is a POS and R is bought and paid for. Watching the two of them together spouting their verbal diarrhea is enough to make one puke. Un-Friggin-Believable.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mitt Romney has come under fire for his statements saying that right-to-work laws should remain a state issue, even though, as he reiterated here during Sen. Jim DeMint's GOP Presidential Forum, he said that he would sign a national right-to-work law if it came across his desk as President. Romney has also previously had some praise for unions, making similar statements to the one here where he said "unions play an important role in our country." Apparently Romney doesn't think much of that role if you're either talking about government worker's unions, or heaven forbid unions being allowed to have any influence over our politicians and making campaign donations.

<u>Jim DeMint explained what the Republican Party's real issue</u> with unions being involved in our politics is with the way he framed this question to Mitt Romney -- <u>they support Democratic politicians.</u> And of course with all of the <span style='font-size: 14pt'>corporate money pouring into Republican campaign coffers</span> these days after the Citizens United ruling, no one in the Republican Party wants to see anything remaining to balance that on the left.

Romney said he was concerned about anyone in union leadership being allowed to make decisions for their membership as to who they make campaign donations to, but he doesn't share that concern for the all of the workers in America of varying political affiliations that have their bosses and CEO's making decisions about which politicians to donate to, or that corporations being allowed to buy off our politicians might also be "almost like a form of corruption." No, that's just free speech in Romney-GOP world.

And his criticism of unions and closed shops of course does not address what open shops and these so-called right-to-work laws really are. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>They are nothing more than a way to bust unions financially </span>because when someone opts out of paying their union dues, those unions are still forced to represent those workers. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>They're allowed to reap the benefits of union membership without any of the costs for those protections</span>.

Republicans seem fine with the idea of democracy when it comes to electing our politicians and citizens who did not vote for those politicians having to live with the results of their actions. They don't think so highly of democracy in the workplace, where if a majority of the workers want to join a union, they get a union and once that union is in place, everyone contributes to pay for the benefits and wages that are negotiated for them. And where if they don't like the decisions or the actions of the leaders that their union puts in place, they're free to vote them out during the next election, just as we are when we don't like the way our politicians behave.

The GOP has decided that they were going to do an all out assault on labor unions this year, which isn't working out that terribly well for them in places like Wisconsin and Ohio. It appears Romney has decided that it's a good idea to follow their lead. Let's hope it doesn't play too well for him either if he does end up being their presidential nominee.<span style="color: #990000"> Given Romney's propensity for flip-flopping on issues when it suits him politically, I won't be shocked to see him try to backtrack from some of these statements later. </span></div></div>

Lets hope so, but I won't hold my breath.

Q





10 things to thank the Unions for.

1. The Fair Labor Standards Act, which protected minors against child labor.

2. The concept, if not the total reality, of an eight-hour work day.

3. Time and a half for working overtime.

4. THE WEEKEND.

5. Health insurance and other fringe benefits given by employers.

6. Sick days.

7. Minimum wage and living wage laws (and any increases to either).

8. Worker safety laws (and workers' compensation when you do get hurt on the job).

9. Social Security and Medicare (which unions both pushed for and spend their time defending).

10. The benefit for which unions get criticized the most: Protection from being fired for no good reason.


There are many more. link (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/05/20-reasons-to-thank-labor-unions/)


...and all had to be fought for.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every right that a worker has in the workplace is all because a union fought hard to get it. As Republicans continue to wipe out unions and weaken them, they also weaken us and our ability to fight back against unfair business practices. We are at risk of losing all the things that unions fought long and hard to secure. Even our jobs are at risk. Because of unions, many of the jobs Americans still hold, have not been outsourced overseas. Unions protect jobs in America and where there are unions, there are jobs. Because the private sector has largely wiped out unions, big corporations are able to lay off American workers and give those jobs to cheap labor overseas. If you want a job, or want to keep yours, organize or join a union and fight for your right to work. Unions fight for the American worker, therefore they fight for us. Anyone who says that unions are un-American only wants to get rid of the above list so that they can make ridiculous profits off the backs off a cheap labor workforce. If you support American workers, American jobs, and the continued prosperity of the American people, support labor unions. </div></div>

LWW
09-07-2011, 02:56 AM
Why would any employer fire any employee for no good reason?

Qtec
09-07-2011, 03:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would any employer fire any employee for no good reason? </div></div>

Is that it? <span style='font-size: 17pt'>ANOTHER QUESTION?</span>

I am well aware of your Wedge theory crap.


'Good reason' is a debatable term, <span style='font-size: 23pt'>what about the other 99% of the post?</span>

Qre

LWW
09-07-2011, 04:08 AM
You made a claim.

An independent thinking person should surely be able to explain what they meant by a statement and why they believe it.

Oops ... my bad, I forgot who I was talking to.

Qtec
09-07-2011, 04:25 AM
OK. YOU brought it up.

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>What's your definition of <u>'no good reason'</u>.?????</span>

WAITING.

Q

LWW
09-07-2011, 04:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK. YOU brought it up.

Q </div></div>

Actually ... you did. Right HERE (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=364723#Post364723).

No good reason is quite a simple concept, but I'm not the person claiming that people have been fired for no good reason.

I have discharged many employees over the years ... but have never done it for no good reason.

Qtec
09-07-2011, 04:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No good reason i quite a simple concept, </div></div>

You just had 2 chances to make your point and both times you ducked. Everybody saw it.

...keep it up Sherlock.

Qi

Qtec
09-07-2011, 04:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but I'm not the person claiming that people have been fired for no good reason. </div></div>

Another non answer and STILL NOTHING to do with the thread!.

Q

LWW
09-07-2011, 05:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No good reason i quite a simple concept, </div></div>

You just had 2 chances to make your point and both times you ducked. Everybody saw it.

...keep it up Sherlock.

Qi </div></div>

I made my point quite well, that you are a spoon fed tool of the party possessing no actual comprehension of the bile you regurgitate for them on command.

LWW
09-07-2011, 05:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but I'm not the person claiming that people have been fired for no good reason. </div></div>

Another non answer and STILL NOTHING to do with the thread!.

Q </div></div>

It is my fault ... I set the bar far too high for you.

Gayle in MD
09-07-2011, 06:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jim DeMint explained what the Republican Party's real issue with unions being involved in our politics is with the way he framed this question to Mitt Romney -- <span style='font-size: 14pt'>they support Democratic politicians. </span></div></div>

link (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/mitt-romney-compares-unions-making-campaig)

De Mint is a POS and R is bought and paid for. Watching the two of them together spouting their verbal diarrhea is enough to make one puke. Un-Friggin-Believable.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mitt Romney has come under fire for his statements saying that right-to-work laws should remain a state issue, even though, as he reiterated here during Sen. Jim DeMint's GOP Presidential Forum, he said that he would sign a national right-to-work law if it came across his desk as President. Romney has also previously had some praise for unions, making similar statements to the one here where he said "unions play an important role in our country." Apparently Romney doesn't think much of that role if you're either talking about government worker's unions, or heaven forbid unions being allowed to have any influence over our politicians and making campaign donations.

<u>Jim DeMint explained what the Republican Party's real issue</u> with unions being involved in our politics is with the way he framed this question to Mitt Romney -- <u>they support Democratic politicians.</u> And of course with all of the <span style='font-size: 14pt'>corporate money pouring into Republican campaign coffers</span> these days after the Citizens United ruling, no one in the Republican Party wants to see anything remaining to balance that on the left.

Romney said he was concerned about anyone in union leadership being allowed to make decisions for their membership as to who they make campaign donations to, but he doesn't share that concern for the all of the workers in America of varying political affiliations that have their bosses and CEO's making decisions about which politicians to donate to, or that corporations being allowed to buy off our politicians might also be "almost like a form of corruption." No, that's just free speech in Romney-GOP world.

And his criticism of unions and closed shops of course does not address what open shops and these so-called right-to-work laws really are. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>They are nothing more than a way to bust unions financially </span>because when someone opts out of paying their union dues, those unions are still forced to represent those workers. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>They're allowed to reap the benefits of union membership without any of the costs for those protections</span>.

Republicans seem fine with the idea of democracy when it comes to electing our politicians and citizens who did not vote for those politicians having to live with the results of their actions. They don't think so highly of democracy in the workplace, where if a majority of the workers want to join a union, they get a union and once that union is in place, everyone contributes to pay for the benefits and wages that are negotiated for them. And where if they don't like the decisions or the actions of the leaders that their union puts in place, they're free to vote them out during the next election, just as we are when we don't like the way our politicians behave.

The GOP has decided that they were going to do an all out assault on labor unions this year, which isn't working out that terribly well for them in places like Wisconsin and Ohio. It appears Romney has decided that it's a good idea to follow their lead. Let's hope it doesn't play too well for him either if he does end up being their presidential nominee.<span style="color: #990000"> Given Romney's propensity for flip-flopping on issues when it suits him politically, I won't be shocked to see him try to backtrack from some of these statements later. </span></div></div>

Lets hope so, but I won't hold my breath.

Q





10 things to thank the Unions for.

1. The Fair Labor Standards Act, which protected minors against child labor.

2. The concept, if not the total reality, of an eight-hour work day.

3. Time and a half for working overtime.

4. THE WEEKEND.

5. Health insurance and other fringe benefits given by employers.

6. Sick days.

7. Minimum wage and living wage laws (and any increases to either).

8. Worker safety laws (and workers' compensation when you do get hurt on the job).

9. Social Security and Medicare (which unions both pushed for and spend their time defending).

10. The benefit for which unions get criticized the most: Protection from being fired for no good reason.


There are many more. link (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/05/20-reasons-to-thank-labor-unions/)


...and all had to be fought for.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every right that a worker has in the workplace is all because a union fought hard to get it. As Republicans continue to wipe out unions and weaken them, they also weaken us and our ability to fight back against unfair business practices. We are at risk of losing all the things that unions fought long and hard to secure. Even our jobs are at risk. Because of unions, many of the jobs Americans still hold, have not been outsourced overseas. Unions protect jobs in America and where there are unions, there are jobs. Because the private sector has largely wiped out unions, big corporations are able to lay off American workers and give those jobs to cheap labor overseas. If you want a job, or want to keep yours, organize or join a union and fight for your right to work. Unions fight for the American worker, therefore they fight for us. Anyone who says that unions are un-American only wants to get rid of the above list so that they can make ridiculous profits off the backs off a cheap labor workforce. If you support American workers, American jobs, and the continued prosperity of the American people, support labor unions. </div></div> </div></div>


The Repiglican/corporate fascist goal is all about destroying our rights, and has been since the Greatest American/Fascist of all times, Ronald Reagan.

Their supporters are too stupid to grasp what has happened to them, which is exactly why Repiglicans, during the Nixon Administration, targeted the Bubba Nation, in the flyover states, buying up the radio stations, targeting those pick up truck, cowboys, for their onslaught of the Proprganda of hate, lies, and fear mongering.

Gotta hand it to them, the Party knew exactly who they could scare and manipulate, and hence, their over blown rhetoric of fear mongering, never ends, as they create imaginary dragons, to scare their supporters so badly they will vote against their own best financial interests.

Authoritarian lovers that they are, bereft of critical thinking skills, they prove to have exactly the same psychoneurotic issues as those who jumped onto Hitler's band wagon. Their puppet masters are the great dividers, able to turn admiration of our first responders, for example, after 9/11, into an outright attack, against those same brave Americans, those who gave and give their lives and risk their health, when Americans are in need, end up hated and abandoned by the right, when they are paying the price healthwise, for their sacrifices. These are the peoploe they abandoned, and who they attack, and destroy, in their efforts to destroy their Unions, for political gain.

They want to take over our schools and use them as training ground to forbid individual thought, deny scientific proof, and destroy Separation of Chruch and State, yes, they want to start their brain washing in the early years, just like Hitler did.

They want to remove our social safety nets, destroy workers rights, invade our personal, private decisions, with their desire to dictate, and the RW radical activist Supreme Court, has laid the groundwork for outright corporate fascism to flourish.

Still, their supporters are so thoroughly brainwashed, relentlessly, they deny even historical proof of the Repiglican damage, which is right in front of their noses, undeniable proof, that Bush et al, destroyed our economy, our honor, our surplus, and our future opportunities, yet all of those facts, fall right into their vast depths of denial, and ignorance, which was created by a deep pit of RW propaganda and hate, and debts to a communist nation, covered up with RW brain washing, so necessary if Repiglicans are going to successfully hand over the entire country to fascist corporate pigs whose agenda relies on removing our civil rights, just as Hitler's and Friedman's philosophies require, and whose workers will be served up to them on a golden platter, by REpiglicans, once they relegate the American workers to slave labor, for Koch, and their other Grand Oil Supporters.

They are PIGS, and they must be removed if we are to ever recover from Bush's assault on our Constitution, and on our economic prospects, followed by unconscionable Repiglican obstruction to what had been the beginning of a recovery, until they gained more power theourhg fear mongering, and lies, to block the recovery, for political power, as they seek to limit the opportunities created by President Obama, to escape Bush's pending Depression, and recover from the blank check spending and borrowing of eight plus years of Repiglicans, failing to pay for anything, under Bush, all of which put us into this debt ditch.

We need only look back at the pictures beginning with the Reagan Administration, all of the hugging and kissing and embracing with the world's worst dictators, their hidden, secret government of shame and inhumanity, power grabbing, and overreaching, that we warned them would not be something they would celebrate, once the groundwork had been laid, and it was inherited by a president of the other party.

For that, we were attacked and slandered, and called terrorist lovers. We have plenty of proof of that as well, now in the midsts of their whining, they deny that truth, as well.

They are beyond any hope, and hence, their irrational efforts become more desperate as time goes by.

It coulodn't be more clear, Repiglicans are about fascism, and that is all that they are about. Destroying the hopes and dreams of the middle class, in order to supply corporations with defeated slaves, bereft of power, and left to be exploited by the wealthy, the Gods of Repiglicans.

Wrapped in the flag, and waving the cross, they couldn't be more obvious, yet their supporters are beyond ever waking up top the damages they voted for, and continue to vote for, too ignorant and brain washed, to understand what actually happened, even now.

G.

eg8r
09-07-2011, 08:47 AM
I think it is funny that the unions got a little pissed with Obama for not doing what he told them he would do. They decided to pull them money back out of his pockets and instead move that money into state and local campaigns to try and move their agenda locally knowing Obama is too weak to do anything.

eg8r

LWW
09-07-2011, 09:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For that, we were attacked and slandered, and called terrorist lovers. We have plenty of proof of that as well, now in the midsts of their whining, they deny that truth, as well. ...

G.</div></div>

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WOW! ... Just <span style='font-size: 11pt'>WOW!</span> ... And I really mean <span style='font-size: 17pt'>WOW!</span> That one almost broke the instruments!

Back to reality:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bin Laden/ Al Q said,

"Do what we want or we will bring harm to America."

The GOP just said to Obama,

"Do what we want or we will bring harm to America."

This isn't the first time either. When should the CIA step in and arrest these terrorists?

Q</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bin Laden/ Al Q said,

"Do what we want or we will bring harm to America."

The GOP just said to Obama,

"Do what we want or we will bring harm to America."

This isn't the first time either. When should the CIA step in and arrest these terrorists?

Q</div></div>

Exactly right!

G.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: moblsv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They've already done more harm than AQ could ever dream of doing. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: moblsv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They've already done more harm than AQ could ever dream of doing. </div></div>

NO QUESTION !!!!</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2011/06/ransom-note.jpg

Q.. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </div></div>

All of THAT (http://www.billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=3&Number=353995&Searchpage=1&Main=33544&Words=terrorist+Gayle+in+MD&topic=0&Search=true#Post353995) from a single thread.

All of the <s>hate mongers</s> <s>trolls</s> <s>Obamatrons</s> <s>dembots</s> members that I quoted were asked why they believed such jibba jabba ... and none of them could answer. In their defense ... it was put on the spoon for them.

Then we have THIS (http://www.billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=360334#Post360334) where charlotte used the illustrious Doctor Monkey Von Monkerstein of MONKEYMUCKER.COM as evidence that those not supping of her favorite Kool Ade were terrorists.

Gayle in MD
09-14-2011, 09:35 AM
We must destroy Repiglican Fascism before it's too late!