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Soflasnapper
09-09-2011, 10:36 AM
Here (http://gocl.me/qZFFeH)

Interesting. Of course, who better to understand the military chain of command than the military? Surely, a better understanding than Cheney had.

To be most clear on this subject, the 9/11 Commission in so many words said that the claimed phone call on which Bush charged Cheney to give these orders didn't happen. They fudged their language slightly to say there was no evidence that this phone call occurred.

And the question at the end is a good one. How is it claimed possible that Bush could reach Cheney, but could not reach the military chain of command?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Those air-traffic control 9/11 tapes are just riveting. While I don't know that we'll ever know everything that happened on that chaotic day, it's progress that pieces of the real story are finally coming out:

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Newly published audio this week reveals that Vice President Dick Cheney's infamous Sept. 11, 2001 order to shoot down rogue civilian aircraft was ignored by military officials, who instead ordered pilots to only identify suspect aircraft.</span>

That revelation is one of many in newly released audio recordings compiled by investigators for the 9/11 Commission, published this week by The Rutgers Law Review. Featuring voices from employees at the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and American Airlines, the newly released multimedia provides a glimpse at the chaos that emerged as the attack progressed.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Most striking of all is the revelation that an order by Vice President Dick Cheney was ignored by the military, which saw his order to shoot down aircraft as outside the chain of command. Instead of acknowledging the order to shoot down civilian aircraft and carrying it out, NORAD ordered fighters to confirm aircraft tail numbers first and report back for further instructions.</span>

Cheney's order was given at "about 10:15" a.m., according to the former VP's memoirs, but the 9/11 Commission Report shows United Flight 93 going down at 10:06 a.m. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Had the military followed Cheney's order, civilian aircraft scrambling to get out of the sky could have been shot down, exponentially amplifying the day's tragedy.</span>

Far from sending fighters to chase after the hijacked aircraft, as Bush administration officials have repeatedly said they did, the new audio tapes paint a picture of bedlam and unpreparedness.The situation was so chaotic, military officials received the exact location of one of the aircraft that hit the World Trade Center towers just nine minutes before impact. It even took a military official calling the FAA some 30 minutes after American Airlines Flight 77 went off course before the nation's defense apparatus began scrambling. Moments later the jet is said to have slammed into the Pentagon.

UPDATE: John Amato:

In my earlier piece called Dick Cheney Claims He -- Not Bush -- Was The Decider, Cheney did not have the authority to order the military to shoot down any planes and they correctly ignored him because they do understand something called the chain of command. His follies could have led to many more Americans being hurt or killed. George Bush was alive and well at the time of the attacks and he has to be the one commanding the military and not Vice President Cheney, even if he believed he was the real Decider. Yet he bloviated in his new book how his life experiences had prepared him to take charge of the response to the 9/11 attacks.

Cheney was asked by Jamie Gangel of ABC News if Bush would be upset by these reveals, but replied with a nonchalant "no". But just think about what he is admitting to: as the 9/11 attacks were happening, Cheney has no problem revealing in his book that he was running the government response, completely against protocol.

The book opens with an account of Mr. Cheney’s experiences during the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, when he essentially commanded the government’s response from a bunker beneath the White House while Mr. Bush — who was away from Washington and hampered by communications breakdowns — played a peripheral role. But Mr. Cheney wrote that he did not want to make any formal statement to the nation that day.

“My past government experience,” he wrote, “had prepared me to manage the crisis during those first few hours on 9/11, but I knew that if I went out and spoke to the press, it would undermine the president, and that would be bad for him and for the country.

“We were at war. Our commander in chief needed to be seen as in charge, strong, and resolute — as George W. Bush was.”

Bush should have been in control that tragic day, not Cheney, since he was the elected president and was not incapacitated from doing his duties.

His breaking of long standing US protocol had previously been reported, but this audio confirms the truth of that horrific situation.

Perhaps in his haste to act -- President Bush was in Florida at the time -- Cheney might have shortcut White House protocol, the report said. The normal chain of command for military "engage" orders goes from the president to the Secretary of Defense, and not through the Vice President, it said.

Although Cheney said he conferred with the president before giving the order, the commission staff could not confirm that a phone call took place in that time frame. Several minutes after giving the order, Cheney informed Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that he had done so. "So we've got a couple of aircraft up there that have those instructions at the present time?" Rumsfeld asked. "That is correct," Cheney replied. "And it's my understanding they've already taken a couple of aircraft out." That understanding turned out to be mistaken.
Perhaps in his haste to act -- President Bush was in Florida at the time -- Cheney might have shortcut White House protocol, the report said. The normal chain of command for military "engage" orders goes from the president to the Secretary of Defense, and not through the Vice President, it said.

Although Cheney said he conferred with the president before giving the order, the commission staff could not confirm that a phone call took place in that time frame. Several minutes after giving the order, Cheney informed Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that he had done so. "So we've got a couple of aircraft up there that have those instructions at the present time?" Rumsfeld asked. "That is correct," Cheney replied. "And it's my understanding they've already taken a couple of aircraft out." That understanding turned out to be mistaken.

Why hasn't any reporters asked President Bush why he was unable to communicate with the military at such a crucial time in our history, but could apparently talk to Cheney? And then they could ask Cheney why he thought he was above the law, yet again?</div></div>

Gayle in MD
09-09-2011, 01:24 PM
http://WWW.Frontline.org

"Top Secret America"

Examining the "dark side" of America's War on Terror, including the use of black site prisons in foreign countries; super-secret facilities in the U.S.; targeted killings; and covert actions by special forces. Also: whether America is safer.

Proves that Rice lied, when she stated no one had ever heard about people flying planes into buildings.

Documents the fact of unprecedented warnings which Bush, totally ignored...he was on vacation...didn't want to bother swatting at flies, to use Rice's words.

Documents that Bush's unbridled spending, after 9/11, hasn't even been released, yet, the figures are STILL Classified SECRET, and much of it wasteful.


While it is still on our tab, it is not identified as spending by Bush!


This is a very good documentary. It exposes a lot of questionable behavior, by the entire top level of the Bush administration.


Pretty revealing, when none of their books, jive, I'd say.


Oh what a tangled web they weave.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif
G.

Soflasnapper
09-12-2011, 11:14 AM
I would have thought that had Cheney had the proper authority and was disregarded by the military command authority, at least THAT would have prompted heads to roll.

Yet not only was this disregard (which might have been mutiny per se) never mentioned until these revelations, I cannot think of any consequences in the military command structure afterwards.

That leads me to believe that even Cheney knew his purported taking charge with presidential order was illegitimate, as even the 9/11 Commission refused to credit it with any supportive evidence as to having that authorizing phone call made at the right time frame, in the first place.

Gayle in MD
09-13-2011, 10:36 AM
Exactly, and the 9/11 Commission's researchers, were led by Rice's former right hand man, when she was the National Security Advisor, who had been her friend all the way back to the Bush One Administration, and who was also the same man who blocked Richard Clarke's requested emergency meeting with Bush, for eight months, pre 9/11, which never happened until after the attack, and this same Rice operative, was also instrumental in demoting Richard Clarke, the country's most formidable expert on bin Laden, and al Qaeda.

Clearly, any president who gets an emergency request, from the topmost authority on al Qaeda, after being warned by the outgoing president, that al Qaeda was our biggest threat, was either gorssly irresponsible, OR, he had a pre'existing plan, already in place, to invade Iraq, and was completely committed to that neocon Cause, before he crashed the White House, which author after author, has proven, through interviews, thousands upon thousands of interviews, in hundreds of books, by reliable investigative journalists, award winning journalists.

After 9/11 the Bush administration made a big deal about going after nations that harbored or financed terrorists.

Both Iran, and Saudi Arabia, were supporters, financially, of terrorists, both al Qaeda, and Hamas.

Saddam, never was, in any way, shape or form, a terrorist supporter. His ego was so big, he was not interested in giving anyone else, certainly no revered terrorist leader, any support, at all.

Bush did everythingg he could do, to try to sell the idea that Iraq was an immediate threat, trying to link it to 9/11, we all saw that.

The fact is, our Constitution, does not include a mandate for pre-emptive war, and in fact, that has been clear since it was written.

This same operative of Rice's, that same "Old Friend" going back to Bush One, is the same person who wrote the Bush Administration's desired mandate, for Pre-emptive war, before the illegal, unconstitutional invasion and occupation of Iraq, for Regime change, completely UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and the same Director of Research, for the 9/11 Investigation, which Bush tried so hard, for a year, to block, even cutting off money for the funding of the investigation.

He is also the same person who argued for Bush, that the last 36 pages of the 9/11 Report, be removed, and deep sixed, for "National Security purposes" LOL, of course, what else!

All of this is documented in the book I linked, by Anthony Summers, The Eleventh Day



I do fully believe that in the coming years, as more information is released, the revelations of illegal, unconstitutional Activites of the Bush Administration, their on-going lies, illegal proceedures, and exposure of their operatives, that the relentless denials of facts, which the RW seeks distort, nevertheless, the truth, will no longer even be subject to any question or debate.

At that point, their will be no question that George Bush, and Dick Cheney, lied us into an illegal, immoral war, which was wholly unconstitutional, irrational, and immoral.

G.

Gayle in MD
09-14-2011, 09:21 AM
We must destroy Repiglican Fascism before it's too late!