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Qtec
09-16-2011, 01:44 AM
link (http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/09/this-weeks-herald-column-congress-exists/#more-26400)


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But the magic 60 votes (required because Republicans led by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell literally filibustered everything) <u>only existed in reality for four months</u> in 2009, between July of that year when Sen. Al Franken was finally sworn in after the disputed Minnesota Senate race and November 2009, when Republican Mark Kirk won Obama’s old Senate seat in Illinois. The rest of the time, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>0bama faced a Senate stocked with 56 or 57 Democrats of varying ideological stripes, including Ben Nelson (D, Mutual of Omaha) and Connecticut independent (former Dem) Joe Lieberman, whose greatest delight was killing the public option in healthcare.</span> </div></div>

Rw die hards like eg8r think Obama had a full 2 years to pass any leg. he wanted to!!!!!!!!

Q

LWW
09-16-2011, 05:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> link (http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/09/this-weeks-herald-column-congress-exists/#more-26400)


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But the magic 60 votes (required because Republicans led by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell literally filibustered everything)</div></div>

Rw die hards like eg8r think Obama had a full 2 years to pass any leg. he wanted to!!!!!!!!

Q </div></div>

WHY DO YOU PERSIST WITH THE MYTH THAT THE 60 VOTE REQUIREMENT CAME FROM THE R's?

That stipulation was written by the demokrook icon Robert Cornelius Calvin Sales Byrd Junior.

Gayle in MD
09-16-2011, 08:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> link (http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/09/this-weeks-herald-column-congress-exists/#more-26400)


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But the magic 60 votes (required because Republicans led by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell literally filibustered everything) <u>only existed in reality for four months</u> in 2009, between July of that year when Sen. Al Franken was finally sworn in after the disputed Minnesota Senate race and November 2009, when Republican Mark Kirk won Obama’s old Senate seat in Illinois. The rest of the time, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>0bama faced a Senate stocked with 56 or 57 Democrats of varying ideological stripes, including Ben Nelson (D, Mutual of Omaha) and Connecticut independent (former Dem) Joe Lieberman, whose greatest delight was killing the public option in healthcare.</span> </div></div>

Rw die hards like eg8r think Obama had a full 2 years to pass any leg. he wanted to!!!!!!!!

Q </div></div>

LOL, while historians have called the Pelosi led majority, the most effective and successful House in history, and the President accomplished things that Repigs totally failed to accomplish, in six years of owning capital hill, from the White House, to the Capital, Ed remains in his foggy bliss?

Say it ain't so!

Health Care Reform, finally, after eight presidents failed.

Killing bin Laden, after six years of repiglican blank check majority doling out money to Bush so he could lie us into an illegal, unconstitutional war in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and Bush totally failed to get the leader of the attack on 9/11! Couldn't kill his annd Da Da's best friend's son!!!! Yet, Plenty of time to hug and kiss bin Ladens' fiincial supporters!

al Qaeda, thanks to president Obama, is virtually destroyed, after Bush ignored them, and chose Iraq, as his main target.

DADT, finally settled.

The Bush depression completely diverted.

The automobile industry saved, along with millions of jobs.

Over two million jobs created, accoding to the CBO.

Public servants all over the country, kept their jobs, as well, still there to protect us and to educate our kids, thanks to this president.

We all know that Ed is out of touch, and has been all along.

All he has is what the other irrational RWers here have, (you know the ones, those who deny being Repiglicans, yet vote only for Repiglicans?) it's called a full load of crap.

He once called our most prolific and committed counter Terrorist Czar, Richard Clarke, a terrorist, by mistake!

I don't think he has cracked a book since college!

G.

LWW
09-16-2011, 08:45 AM
It's capitol hill dear heart ... not "capital hill" ...

eg8r
09-16-2011, 09:01 AM
It is weenies like you that are always looking to blame someone else for your failures. Losers that is what they were and that is why they keep getting voted out of office one by one.

I am a bit disappointed with your googling skills. It seems you are about 4 months behind sofla. He provided these same excuses quite some time back.

eg8r

LWW
09-16-2011, 09:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is weenies like you that are always looking to blame someone else for your failures. Losers that is what they were and that is why they keep getting voted out of office one by one.

I am a bit disappointed with your googling skills. It seems you are about 4 months behind sofla. He provided these same excuses quite some time back.

eg8r </div></div>

Spoonage does have a history of being recycled.

It seems the O-cult considers crap to be haute cuisine.

Qtec
09-16-2011, 09:44 AM
Not excuses, facts. I know how much you hate facts. You would rather wallow in ignorance and denial.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is weenies like you that are always looking to blame someone else for your failures </div></div>

?????????? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif If you say so Dr Phill............LMAO

Q

Gayle in MD
09-16-2011, 11:12 AM
LMAO, 68 percent of the people in this country would disagree with Ed.

Every single poll I have seen, shows that the majority of people in this country, do still blame Bush for our economic demise, as well they should, since all of our economic failures happened under his watch, and during the Repiglican blank check Congress..
And particularly the spending and borrowing, more than all previous administraions, combined.

Including the huge loss in wages of the Middle Class, as more and more money was "Earmarked" for the wealthy, one way or another.

Ed has never been rational in his statements here.

He has proven, over and over again, that just like the AZ invaders, his expertise is only in the field of insults and denials, all of which are absurd and juvenile.

G.

Sid_Vicious
09-16-2011, 11:25 AM
Let's replay history. Bush became president(stolen), his staff came in, immediately said "Ignore ALL of Clinton's work and advice." Then BUSH quickly fired ALL of the economic advisors. Two things evntually happened...the financial situation went to "near depression status", and 911 was successfull for Bin Laden, not particulartly in that order. You rightie MF-ers have no gonads to complain for Obama and his accomplishments in his short stint in of dealing with Bush's incompetentcy, actually illegal BS. But Bush said as late as August of 2008, "The economy is STRONG!" then forced the 700B bailout in September that very year. He's either stupid or a treasonist, and should be procecuted. Pelosi dropped the ball on pursuing that action GRRRRRR! Iraq was a total crime Can anyone really contest those facts???sid

LWW
09-16-2011, 11:35 AM
Actually ... the UE was was 6.1%, the annual deficit was roughly 10% of what it is now, and the inflation adjusted GDP was up by over $1,000,000,000,000.00 per year since his first inaugural.

How's that match up with the strong Obama economy?

Put down the Kool Ade ... walk away from the spoon ... try some reality ...

Soflasnapper
09-16-2011, 11:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> link (http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/09/this-weeks-herald-column-congress-exists/#more-26400)


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But the magic 60 votes (required because Republicans led by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell literally filibustered everything)</div></div>

Rw die hards like eg8r think Obama had a full 2 years to pass any leg. he wanted to!!!!!!!!

Q </div></div>

WHY DO YOU PERSIST WITH THE MYTH THAT THE 60 VOTE REQUIREMENT CAME FROM THE R's?

That stipulation was written by the demokrook icon Robert Cornelius Calvin Sales Byrd Junior. </div></div>

I always enjoy your hilariously wrong 'corrections' of others.

Wiki's article on filibuster history sets your story straight. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate)

Gayle in MD
09-16-2011, 11:57 AM
And I always enjoy watching you and Q, relentlessly blow his Bull**** away!

Thanks, for all the great the memories of all of the hundreds of times I've seen you do just that! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif


G.

LWW
09-16-2011, 12:05 PM
It's a shame you don't bother to read ypour own links:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After a series of filibusters in the 1960s over civil rights legislation, the Senate put a "two-track system" into place in the early 1970s under the leadership of Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield and Byrd, who was at that time serving as Senate Majority Whip. Before the introduction of tracking, a filibuster would stop the Senate from moving on to any other legislative activity. Tracking allows the majority leader – with unanimous consent or the agreement by the minority leader – to have more than one bill pending on the floor as unfinished business. Under the "two-track system", the Senate can have two or more pieces of legislation pending on the floor simultaneously by designating specific periods during the day when each matter or measure will be considered.[11][12][13][14][15][16]

Finally, in 1975 the Democratic-controlled Senate[4] revised its cloture rule so that three-fifths of the senators sworn (usually 60 senators) could limit debate, except on votes to change Senate rules, which require two-thirds to invoke cloture. </div></div>

Soflasnapper
09-21-2011, 05:47 PM
I read all my links.

This doesn't support what you've claimed.

The filibuster long predated this change, and the bar originally was 2/3rds or 75% (forget which just now), not 60%.

The two-tracking I suppose you are referring to as Byrd's doing is explicitly tied to Mansfield as Majority Leader, who ranks ahead of the Whip. The two-track isn't automatic, but requires the consent of the Minority Leader or the unanimous consent of the Senate.

Even WITH the availability of the two-track system, it was fairly rare for cloture needing to be invoked, and most legislation didn't go to cloture votes.

The constant going to the need to get a cloture vote or nothing proceeds legislatively was a far different development, and a far later development, than what is referenced here.

Gayle in MD
09-22-2011, 07:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let's replay history. Bush became president(stolen), his staff came in, immediately said "Ignore ALL of Clinton's work and advice." Then BUSH quickly fired ALL of the economic advisors. Two things evntually happened...the financial situation went to "near depression status", and 911 was successfull for Bin Laden, not particulartly in that order. You rightie MF-ers have no gonads to complain for Obama and his accomplishments in his short stint in of dealing with Bush's incompetentcy, actually illegal BS. But Bush said as late as August of 2008, "The economy is STRONG!" then forced the 700B bailout in September that very year. He's either stupid or a treasonist, and should be procecuted. Pelosi dropped the ball on pursuing that action GRRRRRR! Iraq was a total crime Can anyone really contest those facts???sid </div></div>

When Cheney has been caught, in lie after lie, and yet he is still out there telling the same damned lies, over and over again, and the press fails to call him out, it is painfuly clear to me, Repiglicans have bought the American Media.

Pre-emptive war, is not Constitutional, period!

Fixing the intelligence, to fit their policy, is TREASON.

There is plenty of proof that that is precisely what they did, and then after they harrassed the Intelligence community, to give them what they sought, they turned right around and blamed all those whom they had strong armed into giving them what they wanted.

No President has ever gone to war, without calling for a National Intelligence Estimate. They never asked for a NIE, until Congress demanded it, and whenn it was released, it was a glossy, Madison Avenue, Commercial, of twisted intel, and lies, pure lies.

Any American who denies their abuse of power, las breaking, and incompetence, isn't playing with a full deck, the facts havve been proven.

"The administration is fixing intelligence to policy."

From the British Memo.

G.

Gayle in MD
09-22-2011, 07:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I read all my links.

This doesn't support what you've claimed.

The filibuster long predated this change, and the bar originally was 2/3rds or 75% (forget which just now), not 60%.

The two-tracking I suppose you are referring to as Byrd's doing is explicitly tied to Mansfield as Majority Leader, who ranks ahead of the Whip. The two-track isn't automatic, but requires the consent of the Minority Leader or the unanimous consent of the Senate.

Even WITH the availability of the two-track system, it was fairly rare for cloture needing to be invoked, and most legislation didn't go to cloture votes.

The constant going to the need to get a cloture vote or nothing proceeds legislatively was a far different development, and a far later development, than what is referenced here.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This doesn't support what you've claimed.

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A function of the Neanderthal Alternate Universe.