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Qtec
09-17-2011, 12:32 AM
WHAT A SURPRISE!!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Texas School District Looks To ‘Abstinence-Plus’ Curriculum After ‘Abstinence-Only’ Proves Ineffective</span>


<span style='font-size: 20pt'><u>96 percent</u> of schools in Texas school districts teach abstinence-only; <u><span style="color: #993300">it’s not really working, though.</span></u></span> Reports from the Lone State are grim: as a state, <span style='font-size: 23pt'>they rank fifth for most teen pregnancies, fourth for highest rate of syphilis among teens, and third for the most young people infected with HIV.</span> “These are girls as young as 13 that are pregnant, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>some of them are on their second pregnancies,</span>” Tracy Dees, a supervisor of health services, told Texas Tribune. Feeling the heat, Dee’s Midland district — the West Texas town George W. calls home — has begun shifting their sex education efforts from abstinence-only to abstinence-plus, a program that emphasizes abstinence but is comprehensive in contraceptive and safe sex practice. And according to the Tribune, Midland is not alone in conceding to the failures of abstinence-only education; although still a minority, more and more districts are moving towards “-plus” programs. </div></div>

link (http://www.mediaite.com/online/texas-school-disctict-looks-to-abstinence-plus-curriculum-after-abstinence-only-proves-ineffective/)


Finally, common sense over ideology.

Q

cushioncrawler
09-17-2011, 05:03 AM
Sex 101.
101.1 Sex feels very very good.
101.2 Abstinance duznt feel az good az sex.

Gayle in MD
09-17-2011, 05:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WHAT A SURPRISE!!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Texas School District Looks To ‘Abstinence-Plus’ Curriculum After ‘Abstinence-Only’ Proves Ineffective</span>


<span style='font-size: 20pt'><u>96 percent</u> of schools in Texas school districts teach abstinence-only; <u><span style="color: #993300">it’s not really working, though.</span></u></span> Reports from the Lone State are grim: as a state, <span style='font-size: 23pt'>they rank fifth for most teen pregnancies, fourth for highest rate of syphilis among teens, and third for the most young people infected with HIV.</span> “These are girls as young as 13 that are pregnant, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>some of them are on their second pregnancies,</span>” Tracy Dees, a supervisor of health services, told Texas Tribune. Feeling the heat, Dee’s Midland district — the West Texas town George W. calls home — has begun shifting their sex education efforts from abstinence-only to abstinence-plus, a program that emphasizes abstinence but is comprehensive in contraceptive and safe sex practice. And according to the Tribune, Midland is not alone in conceding to the failures of abstinence-only education; although still a minority, more and more districts are moving towards “-plus” programs. </div></div>

link (http://www.mediaite.com/online/texas-school-disctict-looks-to-abstinence-plus-curriculum-after-abstinence-only-proves-ineffective/)


Finally, common sense over ideology.

Q </div></div>

Human nature always wins against prohibition of any kind, including the philosophy of abstinence only education.

I find such ridiculous RW policies everywhere I look, it seems, there is always a huge disconnect between how they think the world should work, and how it actually works.

In economics, in foreign policy, in their social policies, none of their ideologies WORK!

Ideology without practicality is folly!

G.

eg8r
09-26-2011, 07:20 AM
LOL, you will never get it. Abstinence, when practiced, is the only failsafe method of birth control.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-26-2011, 07:41 AM
Staying off the roads is the only fail-safe method of avoiding automobile accidents, too.

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Tell us friend, were you a virgin when you got married? Hope that isn't too personal, just thought I'd ask.

G.

eg8r
09-26-2011, 07:47 AM
To answer your question, no I was not. However the only person I have ever had sex with is my wife (she was my girlfriend though the first time /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif ). I did not practice abstinence in the year before my marriage while we were planning the wedding. In the 20+ years prior to that, yes I did practice abstinence and amazingly enough, none of my girlfriends got pregnant.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-26-2011, 07:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To answer your question, no I was not. However the only person I have ever had sex with is my wife (she was my girlfriend though the first time /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif ). I did not practice abstinence in the year before my marriage while we were planning the wedding. In the 20+ years prior to that, yes I did practice abstinence and amazingly enough, none of my girlfriends got pregnant.

eg8r </div></div>

Twenty plus years? How old were you when you got married, Ed? What kind of birth control did you use during that year, BTW?

eg8r
09-26-2011, 08:22 AM
I got married at 24. Birth control was the pill.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-26-2011, 08:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got married at 24. Birth control was the pill.

eg8r </div></div>

Wow! Twenty three then, before having sex?!

That's not anywhere near the average age, Ed.

So do you think God is going to punish you for all of that illicit sex, for a year?

OMG, be afraid, be very afraid! Premeditated, on-going SINNING!

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eg8r
09-26-2011, 08:44 AM
The point is, for 23 years abstinence worked perfectly. That cannot be argued against.

Will he punish me, time will tell. I believe my requests for forgivness have been answered but I won't know until judgement day.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-26-2011, 09:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The point is, for 23 years abstinence worked perfectly. That cannot be argued against.

Will he punish me, time will tell. I believe my requests for forgivness have been answered but I won't know until judgement day.

eg8r </div></div>

LOL, well, you don't get any credit for the first ten years of abstaining! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

And, your thesis is faulty, since indulging, with birth control, for a year, was just as successful in preventing pregnancy, as abstaining for the years previous to that time, hence, you just disproved your entire philosophy.

When people say abstinence doesn't work, what they mean is that most teens, and young adults, don't abstain until marriage.

Hoping that they will deny themselves while their hormones are raging, is throwing caution to the wind, and it surely doesn't work, either.

Hence, sex education, including how to use birth control, and how to prevent STD's, is a parental obligation.

Teaching teens and young adults, how to protect themselves from known health threats, and from the serious, life changing unwanted consequences in life, like unwanted pregnancies, is a parental duty.

Then, there is also the whole issue of how hot one is, sexually.

Easier to abstain, when those hormones aren't raging, hence, one philosophy doesn't fit all. Some teens mature faster, in that way, than others.

Most of us couldn't or wouldn't wait that long, until we were twenty-three, that is. I'd be willing to bert you that most of your peers, didn't wait that long.

Being realistic about things when you are raising kids, is your first obligation, as a parent.

Selling them on some unrealistic fantasy, contrary to the reality of human nature, amounts to child abuse, IMO.

They should be armed with all of the facts, and with the safest and most reliable birth control, not sold some BS story about religion, trying to use guilt and lies, to control their human natures, is what fails.

Teaching abstinence only, is what fails to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and puts kids at risk for STD's. That is the fact.

Hence, do we raise our kids on lies, or tell them the truth about human nature, and prepare them fully to go forward, and avoid the unwanted consequences of throwing them out there without any protection, or reaistic knowledge of the human condition, and nothing but a lot of religious BS about what life is really about?

That is the question.

Abstinence only education, is the sin.

G.

eg8r
09-26-2011, 01:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And, your thesis is faulty, since indulging, with birth control, for a year, was just as successful in preventing pregnancy, as abstaining for the years previous to that time, hence, you just disproved your entire philosophy.
</div></div>No you are quite wrong. I never said it could only be one or the other. What I am saying is that in both instances, once considerably longer, the method of choice was successful. There is no way you can argue that a person that practices abstinence has the absolute best chance of not getting pregnant. The problem is that you don't have the fortitude to teach you child not to have sex.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-26-2011, 03:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And, your thesis is faulty, since indulging, with birth control, for a year, was just as successful in preventing pregnancy, as abstaining for the years previous to that time, hence, you just disproved your entire philosophy.
</div></div>No you are quite wrong. I never said it could only be one or the other. What I am saying is that in both instances, once considerably longer, the method of choice was successful. There is no way you can argue that a person that practices abstinence has the absolute best chance of not getting pregnant. The problem is that you don't have the fortitude to teach you child not to have sex.

eg8r </div></div>

LOL, I don't have any children, Ed. My daughter is a mother, a wonderful mother, who is raising her own child, with truth, honesty, dignity and realistic expectations.

The fact is that teaching Abstinence Only Sex Education, fails miserably to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies.

The facts are the facts...

Most people aren't going to wait until they are twenty three, to have sex!

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eg8r
09-27-2011, 12:29 PM
Pretty sad. And in your household, if your forms of birth control didn't work you always had that fallback option of murdering the child.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-28-2011, 12:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty sad. And in your household, if your forms of birth control didn't work you always had that fallback option of murdering the child.

eg8r </div></div>

Sad? No, being reasonable, honest and realistic, is never sad.

Murder? As usual, Ed, you always go too far and start with the insulting attacks.

Murder is against the law, and against my principles, as well.

I did the responsible thing, Ed, since I was raising four kids, not just my one biological child, and additionally, we both believe in zero population growth, hence, we had only one child of our own, and there was no chance of an unwanted pregnancy, because we used a surgical soultion that was not bad for my health.

Using Birth control pills are bad for women's health, and include a slew of health risks for women.

Additionally, you should understand that by using birth control pills, and calling abortion murder, you are calling yourself, a murderer, is your birth control, was the pill.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The main way that oral contraceptives prevent pregnancy is by keeping an egg from ripening fully. Eggs that do not ripen fully cannot be fertilized. In addition, birth control pills thicken mucus in the woman's body through which the sperm has to swim. Thus it is more difficult( <span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Note: More difficult, not impossible </span> </span> for the sperm to reach the egg. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Oral contraceptives also change the uterine lining so that <span style='font-size: 20pt'>a fertilized egg </span>cannot lodge there to develop.</span> </div></div>

Sometimes an egg is fertilized, and by your standards, it is then murdered, LOL. Hence, given how birth control works, you have no way of knowing for sure, how many "Babies" as you incorrectly call a fetus, (or fertilized eggs) you and your wife have "Murdered" yourselves.

So again, we see your gross hypocrisy, and/or obvious ignorance...

G.

eg8r
09-28-2011, 03:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Murder? As usual, Ed, you always go too far and start with the insulting attacks.
</div></div>Why, you are pro murder when referring to defenseless babies. Just because you don't recognize a living human doesn't mean you are correct.

eg8r

Qtec
09-29-2011, 09:20 AM
So your solution to crime would be to tell everyone, "don't break the law". Then we don't need the police , courts, prisons etc. Great idea Ed.

Abstinence has been PROVEN to be pie in the sky birth control. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>IT DOESN'T WORK.</span> Its based in ideology, not in fact.

Q...IOW...wishful thinking.

Gayle in MD
09-29-2011, 10:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Murder? As usual, Ed, you always go too far and start with the insulting attacks.
</div></div>Why, you are pro murder when referring to defenseless babies. Just because you don't recognize a living human doesn't mean you are correct.

eg8r </div></div>


LOL. As I have told you before, Ed, no one is for abortion. But, some people understand that what others do, is none of their business.

Abortion, is not murder. Murder is illegal in this country, Ed, unless it is a death penalty murder.

So, you call destroying a fetus, murder when others do it, but when it happens as a result of the birth control pill, then that's ok with you, since that was your choice of birth control?

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G.

Gayle in MD
09-29-2011, 12:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Murder? As usual, Ed, you always go too far and start with the insulting attacks.
</div></div>Why, you are pro murder when referring to defenseless babies. Just because you don't recognize a living human doesn't mean you are correct.

eg8r </div></div>

If all fetuses are living human beings, then how many have you and your wife, "MURDERED" by using the birth control pill?

You either believe that all fertilized fetuses are living human beings, or you don't?

The pill, destroys fertilized eggs. How many people do you think you have flushed down the toilet?

You'll never really know, will you Ed?

G.

eg8r
09-29-2011, 01:44 PM
Abortion is murder, and anyone that fights for that right is pro-murder.

eg8r

eg8r
09-29-2011, 01:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If all fetuses are living human beings, then how many have you and your wife, "MURDERED" by using the birth control pill?
</div></div>I know you think you are "on to something" but let me enlighten the difference since ignorance is what you chose to wear today.

Baby killing murder, is when people like you find it acceptable to terminate the babies life. This means, there is a baby living inside of you.

The "pill" stops ovulation which means no egg is released so the sperm have nothing tp fertilize, thus no living baby to kill. The pill is the prevention of the egg being fertilized and your choice is the prevention of the baby being born. One is living then killed (your choice) the other never even existed so nothing was killed.

The other even better option is the IUD which also prevents fertizliation so nothing is born and waiting for you to opt to kill it.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-29-2011, 04:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If all fetuses are living human beings, then how many have you and your wife, "MURDERED" by using the birth control pill?
</div></div>I know you think you are "on to something" but let me enlighten the difference since ignorance is what you chose to wear today.

Baby killing murder, is when people like you find it acceptable to terminate the babies life. This means, there is a baby living inside of you.

The "pill" stops ovulation which means no egg is released so the sperm have nothing tp fertilize, thus no living baby to kill. The pill is the prevention of the egg being fertilized and your choice is the prevention of the baby being born. One is living then killed (your choice) the other never even existed so nothing was killed.

The other even better option is the IUD which also prevents fertizliation so nothing is born and waiting for you to opt to kill it.

eg8r </div></div>

As usual, you are totally wrong so allow me to enlighten YOU, and save you from your stunning ignorace.

From one of your own RW organizations:


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Physicians across America -- and around the world -- are now confirming that the Pill, IUDs, Depo-Provera and Norplant cause early abortions.

First, a look at the Pill. Research shows that in many cases the Pill causes early abortions -- abortions the mother may not even know she's having. You may find this shocking, but the facts are clear after reading Randy Alcorn's book, titled;

"Does the Birth Control Pill Cause Abortions?"

Here's what 11 physicians and medical professionals are saying about the book Randy Alcorn published in 1998:

1. "From medical textbooks and pharmacy references, to statements from the Pill-manufacturers themselves, this book proves, beyond any doubt, the abortion-causing action of birth control pills. This book should be read by everyone interested in knowing the truth."

~ Paul L. Hayes, M.D., Board Certified Fellow of the American College of Obstetricians/Gynecologists

2. "Does the birth control pill cause abortions? Using research results from medical literature, Randy Alcorn has convincingly shown that the answer is `yes.' He has, with care and compassion, given us the truth. The question for us as Christians is how we will respond now that we know."

~ Linda Martin, M.D., Pediatrician

3. "By carefully detailing the available medical information concerning the abortifacient effects of oral contraceptives, Randy Alcorn has developed a logical and thoughtful challenge to every prolife person. The conclusions of this study are scientifically accurate. Birth control pills usually prevent pregnancy, but sometimes they cause an abortion. Questions? Objections? Randy has addressed them in a gentle but firm way. This is the manner in which the often fiery debate over prolife subjects should be carried out- unemotionally, intelligently and quietly. The evidence is before us . . . `How should we then live?'"

~ Patrick D. Walker, M.D., Professor of Pathology, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences

4. "In this challenging book Randy Alcorn has the honesty to face a tough and uncomfortable question. This compelling evidence will make you rethink the question of birth control pills."

~ John Brose, M.D., Surgeon

5. "In this impeccably researched book, Randy Alcorn takes an unblinking look at what medical experts know about how birth control pills work. I painfully agree that birth control pills do in fact cause abortions. Our individual and collective Christian response to this heretofore varnished-over information will have profound consequences for time and eternity. This is a disturbing must-read for all who profess to be prolife."

~ Beverly A. McMillan, M.D., Ob/Gyn

6. "Randy Alcorn has done exceptional work. The facts in this book parallel much of my own research. I am delighted he would undertake such a work when others seek to avoid the subject. This book is a must for Christians, particularly those in medicine and Christian ministries."

~ Karen D. Garnett, R.N.

7. "No prolife physician can rightly prescribe BCPs [birth control pills] after reviewing this data. I have started circulating this information."

~ Randall Martin, M.D., Chairman, Department of Anesthesiology, Columbia Willamette Valley Medical Center

8. "Scientific papers suggest that escape ovulation occurs 4-15% of all cycles in patients taking birth control pills. Thus, as this booklet points out, early chemical abortions are a real and significant concern."

~ Paddy Jim Baggot, M.D., Ob/Gyn, Fellow of the American College of Medical Genetics

9. "Randy Alcorn has thoroughly studied and written on an area where little published scientific information exists. His responses to this issue, and his outstanding appendices, are must reading."


~ William M. Petty, M.D., Surgeon, Gynecologic Oncology

10. "Randy Alcorn has once again demonstrated his tenacity and integrity in pursuing the truth. He has exposed the abortifacient properties of so-called birth control agents. This booklet should be required reading for all discerning Christians who wish to fully live out their faith."


~ William L. Toffler, M.D., Professor of Family Medicine,
Oregon Health Sciences University

11. "I endorse Randy Alcorn's book with gusto. He has answered the title question with the care and compassion of a pastor, having searched out the facts with the diligence of an experienced researcher. He has provided all women in their reproductive years with an invaluable resource which will allow them to be fully informed about the birth control pill."

~ William F. Colliton, Jr., M.D., Clinical Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology,
George Washington University Medical Center

You may go to Randy Alcorn's web site and read a summary of this 88-page book by clicking here. You may also order the inexpensive book from his site.

More facts about the Pill, IUDs, Depo-Provera and Norplant:

Again, if you're reading about CHEMICAL ABORTIONS for the first time, this may surprise, or even shock you. Most Americans are not aware that the Pill and other chemical "contraceptives" cause millions of "non-surgical" abortions each year in the early weeks of pregnancy. If you are using the Pill, Depo-Provera or Norplant, you need to know the truth about how these products work.

Most women take these "contraceptives" because they don't want to have a baby. But how many women know they can have BREAKTHROUGH OVULATIONS and become pregnant while using these "contraceptives?" Very few! And how many of these women know that if they become pregnant after a BREAKTHROUGH OVULATION, these "contraceptives" will almost always kill any son or daughter they've conceived?

Most people don't know the real facts about how "contraceptives" work. And because of this lack of knowledge, most women are not aware that they may be having BREAKTHROUGH OVULATIONS, and conceiving children that are killed very early in the pregnancy. Women using these "contraceptives" almost never perceive that they have become pregnant, or that chemicals have killed their tiny baby.



What is Breakthrough Ovulation?

While using the Pill and other chemical "birth control" products, many women's ovaries continue to release eggs. This is called "Breakthrough Ovulation" and it occurs in millions of women each year. Once an egg has been released via ovulation, a woman can become pregnant.



You can still conceive a child . . .

If you're using "birth control" products and you have a breakthrough ovulation that releases an egg, sperm can then reach and fertilize your egg. At that moment -- you would be pregnant! Fertilization means conception has taken place and you now have a brand new son or daughter who is as complete genetically as he or she will ever be throughout life.

When Does Human Life Begin?

Internationally-known geneticists and biologists have testified that human life begins at conception. In 1981 (April 23-24) a Senate Judiciary Subcommittee held hearings on the question: When does human life begin? The following doctors testified:

Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman of the Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, said: "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception."

Dr. McCarthy de Mere, a medical doctor and law professor at the University of Tennessee, testified: "The exact moment of the beginning of personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception."

Dr. Jerome Lejeune, The Father of Modern Genetics, testified that, "Each of us has a very precise starting moment which is the time at which the whole necessary and sufficient genetic information is gathered inside one cell, the fertilized egg, and this is the moment of fertilization. There is not the slightest doubt about that and we know that this information is written on a kind of ribbon we call the DNA."

The late Dr. Lejeune of Paris, France, discovered the genetic cause of Down Syndrome. He received the Kennedy Prize for this discovery, as well as the Memorial Allen Award Medal, the world's highest award for work in the field of Genetics.

How does the Pill work?

The Pill has three mechanisms of action which can easily be looked up in the Physician's Desk Reference.

1) Sometimes, the Pill suppresses ovulation. When this happens, an egg is not released and conception cannot occur. (It's important to read on and find out about the high rates of breakthrough ovulation. When ovulation is not suppressed, pregnancy can occur.)


2) The Pill also works to thicken the woman's cervical mucus which can "restrict" sperm from moving up the reproductive tract toward the egg.


3) One way the Pill causes early abortions is that it interfers with the flexing motions and the cilia movement of the fallopian tubes. These changes slow the transportation of newly conceived child from the fallopian tubes to the womb. Unfortunately, many small babies starve to death in the fallopian tubes because chemicals caused changes that prevented them from reaching the womb in time to be nourished.

4) Another way the Pill causes early abortions: If your tiny baby survives the ride down the fallopian tube to your womb, the Pill will almost always cause the endometrium (the lining of your uterus) to reject your child. Chemical reactions often cause the lining of your womb to become thin, shriveled and unable to support implantation of your newly conceived child.

This means that in almost every case, your new child will not be able to attach to the wall of your womb where he or she would normally live, grow and receive nourishment for 9 months. This means your tiny baby will starve to death and his or her remains will be passed along in your next bleeding cycle. (The "Study of Abortion Deaths Commission" estimates that this happens in women in America who use the Pill approximately 1 to 4 million times each year.)

The chemicals that cause these early abortions are called abortifacients which is the medical term for any chemical agent that causes an abortion.

Depo-Provera, Norplant and IUDs

Depo-Provera and Norplant both use chemicals that work in very simlar ways on a woman's body and womb. Depo-Provera and Norplant are also considered chemical abortifacients.

IUDs or Intra-Uterine Devices, are small plastic devices that are inserted into the womb. Some IUDs contain copper or a time released hormone. It is believed that the IUD causes a low grade inflammation in the lining of the womb. As a result, the lining of the womb is imperfect and the fertilized egg will not implant. (Source: This paragraph on IUDs is quoted directly from the Calgary Regional Health Authority's web site.)

Because of the chemical effect an IUD has on a woman's womb, tiny babies are aborted. Therefore, IUDs are also considered abortifacients.

Breakthrough ovulation proved long ago . . .

Birth control advocates and manufacturers of the Pill have known these facts for years. Have they done a very good job of informing women about how the Pill really works? (Please email us and let us know if you were aware of how the Pill worked before you read this.)

When chemists devised the Pill that debuted in 1960, they gave it a huge dose of a chemical that caused most women's ovaries to stop secreting eggs (i.e., to stop ovulation). The theory was "no egg, no pregnancy."

However, some women continued to release eggs and get pregnant while on the original Pill. (Studies have shown that an even higher percentage of women release eggs while using today's newer, re-formulated Pills. More about today's Pills in a moment.)

In her award winning study of women taking the earlier high dose Pills, Dutch gynecologist Dr. Nine Van der Vange showed "proof of ovulation based on ultrasound exams and hormonal indicators occurred in about 4.7% of the cycles studied." (Source: Sterns, Dr. David, "How the Pill and the IUD Work: Gambling with Life," American Life League, PO Box 1350, Stafford, VA 22555)

And the "Textbook of Contraceptive Practice" states that, "Among women who have been followed over a considerable number of cycles, breakthrough ovulations occur in 2 to 10 percent of cycles." (Source: Dr. J. Peel & Dr. Malcolm Potts, Textbook of Contraceptive Practice, 1969, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press)

Please note that these references are to the lower breakthrough ovulation rates of the Pills of the 1960's. The new Pills of the 1990's work differently and have much higher breakthrough ovulation rates. This will be explained as you read on.



Why the big secret?

Why aren't most women aware that the Pill causes early abortions? Let's look at the large pharmaceutical companies who advertise, market and sell the Pill. They make huge profits from the Pill -- and they'll continue to make mega-profits -- if women are convinced they're not getting pregnant and they keep buying and taking the Pill everyday. But are they being honest with you? Have they clearly explained that their products cause millions of early chemical abortions each year?

The New Pills: Much Higher Rates of Breakthrough Ovulation . . .

The original Pill of the 1960's had to be modified due to harmful side effects that women were experiencing because of the powerful chemicals. All versions of today's "Combination Pill" have a reduced hormonal content. When compared to the Pills of the 1960's and 1970's, this reduces the chance of harmful side effects for women, but it also increases their chances of ovulating and conceiving a son or daughter.

Dr. Ronald Chez, a scientist at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), publicly stated that the new Pills of today, with their lower estrogen dose, allow ovulation up to 50% of the time! (Source: Sterns, David, M.D., Sterns, Gina, R.N., B.S.N., Yaksich, Pamela, "Gambling with Life, How the I.U.D. and 'The Pill' Work" (www.top.net/vitalsigns).

With these newer Pills, simply missing one tablet, or failing to take the Pill at the same time each day increases the chances of breakthrough ovulation. Reactions with other drugs increases the chances of breakthrough ovulation, especially with caffeine and nicotine, or some prescription medicine (Source: "Abortifacient Contraception: The Pharmaceutical Holocaust" by Dr. Rudolf Ehmann, Human Life Intl., 1993, p.15).

Makers of the new "mini-pill" claim it does not have the side effects of the combination pill. However, they don't tell you that scientific research shows the mini-pill does not stop ovulation at all in 67-81% of the women who use it, so the probability of conception is much higher. (Source: Tonti-Fillippini, Nicholas, Linacre Quarterly, 1995)



Breakthrough Ovulation Estimates for other "Birth Control" Methods:

1) Norplant has breakthrough ovulation 50-65% of the time.

2) Depo-Provera has breakthrough ovulation 40-60% of the time.

3) The IUD has breakthrough ovulation 100% of the time.

4) With over 17 million American women using the Pill and other chemical abortifacients, it is estimated that breakthough ovulation and pregnany occurs so often . . . that between 7 to 12 million newly conceived children are killed by chemical abortions in the womb each year. And most of these women never even knew they were pregnant.

(Sources for the four points listed under Breakthrough Ovulation Estimates above are as follows: 1) Hilgers, Dr. Thomas, "Norplant" Linacre Quarterly, 1993, p.64-69. 2) "Infant Homicides Through Contraceptives," 1994 by the Study of Abortion Deaths Ad Hoc Commission - Bardstown, KY. Ph: 502-348-3963. 3) ibid. 4) ibid.)



Betrayed!

If you are taking these products to avoid pregnancy (and abortion), now you know that the makers and promoters of "birth control" products have betrayed you and your children. It has been proven many times that these products do not completely stop ovulation and conception. In fact, depending upon the product you're using, you could be at risk of ending the life of a newly conceived son or daughter every month by birth control's chemical abortions.



More Proof . . .

The Food and Drug Administration stated in 1978 that:

Combination oral contraceptives . . . [make] alterations in the genital tract including changes in the . . . endometrium (which reduce the likelihood of implantation) . . . but progestogen only contraceptives [re: mini-pills] are known to alter the cervical mucus, exert a progestational effect on the endometrium, interfering with implantation. (Emphasis added)



Medical Publications confirm the facts . . .

"The Physicians' Desk Reference" quoted a Searle brochure (Searle is a major pharmaceutical manufacturer of the Pill) which states that the mini-pill: makes the womb (uterus) less receptive to any fertilized egg that reaches it. (Emphasis added)

"Nursing '85 Drug Handbook" states:
Progestogen...also caused endometrial changes that prevent implantation of the fertilized ovum. (Emphasis added)

"The Pill - How Does It Work?" By Albert D. Lorincz, M.D.: Cites a study of 1,200 women given a daily amount of progestogen equivalent to many birth control pills. 60% of them ovulated.

"Birth Control: Why Are They Lying to Women?" By J.C. Espinoza, M.D. (page 27) cites research which showed a 30% ovulation rate in women taking a combined Pill preparation.



From Birth Control Advocates

Lawyers from organizations that promote abortion have admitted in print and in legal briefs that these products cause abortions. A Tulane Law School Professor wrote:

...nearly all birth control devices, except the diaphragm and the condom, operate between the time of conception and implantation... (Emphasis added)

Attorney Frank Sussman argued in the U.S. Supreme Court:
...IUDs [and] low dose birth control pills...act as abortifacients.



The Big Lie

Propoganda from many pharmaceutical companies promotes a new definition of CONCEPTION. Their new definition is absolutely untruthful and totally unscientific. They created this new definition of when a child is conceived to help them sell their products with the label "contraceptives." Their new definition says that conception occurs only when your baby successfully attaches to the lining of your uterus. THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE!



The real medical truth.

It's very important to understand that when a sperm penetrates one of your eggs, you have conceived a child. Again, this is called fertilization or conception and from that point on, you have a brand new, genetically complete son or daughter.

Every conception is a very unique moment. For example, at your own conception, 46 chromosomes with 30,000 genes combined to determine all your physical characteristics; sex, facial features, body type, color of hair, eyes and skin. Even more amazing, intelligence and personality -- the way you think and feel -- were already in place within your genetic code. At the moment of conception, you were essentially and uniquely "you." This is the same for every human being at the moment of conception.

Remember, the pharmaceutical industry has a multi-billion dollar business selling these abortifacients. Unfortunately, many of the people who prescribe these products are not aware of their homicidal properties. They may have a sincere desire to help women, but their lack of knowledge makes them uninformed accomplices to these early abortions.

As recent as 25 years ago, most doctors took the Hippocratic Oath. They pledged never to perform an abortion. Tragically, many working in the medical profession today betray your trust by renouncing this ethic. Many know the truth but do not inform you that "birth control" devices are abortifacients which cause abortions.

Did you know abortion was defined in a Public Health Service document published by the U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare as follows:

"All the measures which impair the viability of the zygote anytime between the instant of fertilization and the completion of labor constitute, in the strict sense, procedures for inducing abortion" (source: Public Health Service Leaflet no. 1066, US Dept of Health, Education, and Welfare, 1963, 27). This includes chemical abortions like those caused by the Pill, Depo-Provera and Norplant.



Now That You Know The Truth . . .

If you have used these products, this is very sobering news. Pharmaceutical companies and medical providers have made many parents unwitting accomplices to their own children's death by birth control abortion.

The Pill and its "cousins" kill children earlier in their life than surgical abortion. In America, chemical abortions are estimated to kill more than 7 million babies each year -- while surgical abortions kill about 1.5 million babies each year.



What will you do?

Scientists agree that a new human life begins at the moment of conception. If you believe this, then you know that abortion is wrong no matter how early in the pregnancy.

Now that you know the facts, statistics show that if you continue using abortifacient products, you will be aborting (killing) your own children each year. Do more research if you need to, but please stop using abortifacient chemicals immediately. (If you want to investigate further, another web site that contains more research and much greater detail is listed at the end of this article. It is highly recommended that you go to that web site today or sometime soon.)



Healing & Forgiveness!

If you have used these products -- there is a very real possibility that you unknowingly aborted one or more of your tiny sons or daughters. Please do not despair! Know that you may receive comfort in your sorrow. If you did not know these "birth control" products cause early abortions, then you are not "culpable." This means you're not morally responsible in God's eyes. And because you did not know the true consequences of chemical "birth control" products, you will not be held morally responsible for any harm they may have caused.

Remember, for anyone to commit a sinful act, all three of the following circumstances must be present:

1) The act must break one of God's Laws,
2) The person must know they are breaking God's Law, and
3) The person must freely choose to break God's Law with their own free will.

Again, if you've used "birth control" pills and you were unaware of the consequences, God will not hold you morally accountable. Our God is a merciful, loving Father. He will only judge us based on our knowledge of right and wrong. And when we do wrong, He's always ready to forgive us -- no matter how serious the sin.

At the same time, He has given us guidelines to protect us and to help us be happy. And now that you know the truth about "birth control" pills -- if you're using them -- isn't it time to stop?

God calls on each of us to avoid and eliminate all sin from our lives. Please think about the day in the future when you will meet your Maker face to face. On that day, if you continue using chemical abortifacients after you read this information, He will ask you, "Why?"

Why not stop today? Why not purify your soul by receiving God's healing Grace? God will forgive us for our past sins, no matter how serious they are, but only if we sincerely ask for His forgiveness with a humble, repentant heart, while also being firmly resolved not to commit the sin again.

Our God is merciful, forgiving and gracious to all who repent. No problem is so great that the God who created us cannot solve it.

Saint Paul wrote about God's great mercy for sinners in a letter to Timothy. He said, "Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners -- of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display His unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on Him and receive eternal life." (1st Timothy, 1:15-16)



Final Notes . . .

It is important that you seek spiritual direction from your priest or pastor regarding decisions about your family and the dreadful effects of artificial contraception. Please feel free to print a copy of this article to bring with you when you go to meet with your pastor. Ask him if he understands the destructive and sinful nature of the Pill and other forms of artificial contraception. And please remember, if you are a Catholic, the Catholic Church offers God's mercy and forgiveness in a beautiful way through the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession). If you've committed a serious sin, you should go to confession right away. Priests are very understanding and they are there to help you. Confession is a great place to begin the process of forgiveness and healing. Go ahead and go today -- you'll feel like a ton of bricks was lifted off your shoulders.



Natural Family Planning . . .

Natural Family Planning (NFP) is a healthy alternative to artificial birth control. With NFP, there are no drugs, no devices, no surgical procedures, no threat of death, no side effects and no chemical abortions. NFP is not the old Rhythm Method that was developed in the 1930's. NFP has been thoroughly tested and is proven to be highly effective. NFP is only recommended for married couples who have some burden (financial, emotional, health or other) causing them to need to space or limit the size of their family. It is suggested that you speak with your pastor or a spiritual director for spiritual guidance in this area.

Reports show NFP to be about 99% effective in determining when a woman is at the stage where she will conceive. This can help with trying to get pregnant as well as trying to avoid pregnancy.

"Using NFP has been a blessing! We have found a greater appreciation for being able to make love. We also are learning other ways to express our love . . ." -- E.M., Ohio

". . . Wonderful for our marriage. We are comfortable using it . . ." -- L.L., Iowa

"My husband is not only my partner in life, he is my best friend. NFP has forced us to take time out to work on our friendship." -- K.S., Pennsylvania

"There is a season for everything, a time for every occupation under heaven . . . a time for embracing, a time to refrain from embracing." -- Ecclesiastes 3:1,5

To find out more about NFP, call The Couple to Couple League International and ask for their FREE brochures on NFP. The Couple to Couple League phone number is (513) 471-2000 and their web site is at: http://www.ccli.org for more information.



FREE audio tape . . .

And if you're interested in a great audio tape, Dr. Janet Smith (Professor at the University of Dallas) has an excellent presentation called, "CONTRACEPTION: WHY NOT?" Pro-Life America will send you a FREE copy of this tape. All we ask is that you send Pro-Life America a suggested donation of $2.00 to help cover the shipping and handling costs of sending you the 1-hour audio tape. You'll want to listen to this tape over and over again and share it with your friends, your family -- and maybe even your pastor.

Please mail your request for the FREE audio, along with $2.00 for shipping and handling to:

Pro-Life America
Dr. Janet Smith Audio Dept.
1840 South Elena Avenue, Suite 103
Redondo Beach CA, 90277.

Over 60,000 copies of this tape have been distributed in the last few years. It's truly excellent!

Again, if you would like more medical research documenting the fact that the PILL and other chemical contraceptives cause abortions, please read another article written by William F. Colliton, Jr., M.D., FACOG, and signed by 26 other physicians. Dr. Colliton is Clinical Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at George Washington University Medical Center. You can read his article here.

In addition to Randy Alcorn's book, portions of this web page were adapted from brochures by: The Couple to Couple League International and Protestants Against Birth Control (PABC).

1) The Couple to Couple League's 1993 brochure is entitled, "The Pill: How does it Work? Is it Safe?" and it includes 64 footnotes.

The Couple to Couple League - Phone number: (513) 471-2000

For more information, please visit "The Couple to Couple League site".

2) The Protestants Against Birth Control 1996 brochure is entitled, "Birth Control: Homicidal Deception" and it includes 20 footnotes.

Protestants Against Birth Control - Phone number: (414) 483-3399



http://www.prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html







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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The main way that oral contraceptives prevent pregnancy is by keeping an egg from ripening fully. Eggs that do not ripen fully cannot be fertilized. In addition, birth control pills thicken mucus in the woman's body through which the sperm has to swim. Thus it is more difficult( Note: More difficult, not impossible) for the sperm to reach the egg. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Oral contraceptives also change the uterine lining so that a fertilized egg cannot lodge there to develop. </span> </div></div>

There are eggs that do get through, after being fertilized, but they are expelled from the body, when that happens.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>The same thing is true of the IUD! </span>
Hence, taking the birth control pill, does not insure that absolutely not one egg, will be fertilized. That's why on occasion, a woman will get pregnent, while on the pill.

Both the Supreme Court, AND the medical society, do not consider a fetus, to be a person, and hence, your nasty accusations, and words meant to insult and irritate, are wrong.

Again, to believe that women have a right to control her own bodies, and decisions, in their own personalo, priate lives, is not the same thing as being for murder.

You can twist it around all you want, but in fact, you do not know if you and your wife, did not expell a fertilized egg.

Hence, don't be a hypocrite about it. You can't get away with accusations of murder, when you may well have done the same damned thing, or, to be clear, it would be hypocritical of you to suggest that you KNOW for a fact, that no fertilized egg, was ever expelled, during the time that you were using birth control pills.

The quoted material comes from a medical site, btw.

All you have to do is google it, (are fertilized eggs aborted when using birth control pills) and you'll see it for yourself, loads of information which proves that you don't have a clue about how these products work.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>I'm so sorry I didn't inform you of these facts, at the last minute, right before you left on your vacation! </span>

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Gayle in MD
09-29-2011, 04:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If all fetuses are living human beings, then how many have you and your wife, "MURDERED" by using the birth control pill?
</div></div>I know you think you are "on to something" but let me enlighten the difference since ignorance is what you chose to wear today.

Baby killing murder, is when people like you find it acceptable to terminate the babies life. This means, there is a baby living inside of you.

The "pill" stops ovulation which means no egg is released so the sperm have nothing tp fertilize, thus no living baby to kill. The pill is the prevention of the egg being fertilized and your choice is the prevention of the baby being born. One is living then killed (your choice) the other never even existed so nothing was killed.

The other even better option is the IUD which also prevents fertizliation so nothing is born and waiting for you to opt to kill it.

eg8r </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>LOL, more education for you, Ed. </span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An IUD is a small device shaped like a “T” that goes in your uterus. There are two types:

•Copper IUD — The copper IUD goes by the brand name ParaGard. It releases a small amount of copper into the uterus, which prevents the sperm from reaching and fertilizing the egg. It fertilization does occur, the IUD keeps the fertilized egg from implanting in the lining of the uterus. A doctor needs to put in your copper IUD. It can stay in your uterus for 5 to 10 years.

•Hormonal IUD — The hormonal IUD goes by the brand name Mirena. It is sometimes called an intrauterine system, or IUS. It releases progestin into the uterus, which keeps the ovaries from releasing an egg and causes the cervical mucus to thicken so sperm can’t reach the egg. It also affects the ability of a fertilized egg to successfully implant in the uterus. A doctor needs to put in a hormonal IUD. It can stay in your uterus for up to 5 years.


Q. How does the pill really work?


A. There are four ways the pill acts to stop sperm reaching an egg (ovum). First, the hormones in the pill try to stop an ovum being released from your ovary each month. This is known as the suppression of ovulation. Research has shown that neither the progesterone-only pill nor the combined progesterone-oestrogen formulations always stop ovulation.


Second, all formulations of the pill cause changes to the cervical mucus that your body produces. The cervical mucus may become thicker and more difficult for sperm to fertilize an ovum.


Third, all formulations of the pill cause changes to the lining of the womb (properly known as the endometrium). Under the influence of the chemicals in the pill, the lining of the womb doesn’t grow to the proper thickness. You will notice that your periods are lighter when you are on the pill. This is because the lining of the womb has not developed properly. But this change also means that the womb is not in the right stage of development to allow a fertilized egg to attach properly (this attachment process is known as implantation).

Fourth, the pill causes changes to the movement of the Fallopian tubes. This effect may reduce the possibility of the ovum being fertilized.


It is very important for you to understand that none of these ways the pill works is completely reliable. Ovulation is not always stopped, cervical mucus does not always stop the movement of sperm the damage to the lining of the womb sometimes allows for implantation to occur, and Fallopian tube activity does not always stop sperm and ovum from joining to create a new human person.

PS...I got pregnant while on the pill...and I didn't miss any pills, either.
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Source(s):
http://www.womenshealth.gov/faq/birth-co…
http://www.pfli.org/faq_oc.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090520071227AAZnGdK

Qtec
09-30-2011, 04:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, you will never get it. Abstinence, when practiced, is the only failsafe method of birth control.

eg8r </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Study:<span style='font-size: 14pt'> Majority Of Young Evangelicals Have Pre-Marital Sex,</span> <u>Exposing Flaws With Right-Wing Attacks On Sex Ed</u>

The religious right has a heavy-hand in conservative politics, particularly in an election year. Christian presidential candidates like Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX), Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), and former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) all tout their Christian credentials and signed the pro-life pledges to court the evangelical vote. But there is one traditional position that even young Christians are abandoning: the purity pledge. <u>According to a recent study, 80 percent of unmarried evangelical young adults have had sex, only 8 percent less than the general unmarried adult population:</u>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>One of the biggest surprises was a December 2009 study,</span> conducted by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, which included information on sexual activity.

While the study’s primary report did not explore religion, some additional analysis focusing on sexual activity and religious identification yielded this result: 80 percent of unmarried evangelical young adults (18 to 29) said that they have had sex – slightly less than 88 percent of unmarried adults, according to the teen pregnancy prevention organization. </div></div>

I told you so.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This surprisingly high percentage <span style='font-size: 14pt'>should land a blow to the political canon of the religious right-wing.</span> As chief proponents of abstinence-only education, <span style='font-size: 14pt'><u>religious right-wing organizations</u> insist that delaying sex until marriage “is the only 100 percent effective way to prevent sexually transmitted diseases and out-of-wedlock pregnancy.” <u>Health experts, however, note that evidence suggests such programs “are even harmful and have negative consequences </u>by not providing adequate information for those teens who do become sexually active.” <span style="color: #3333FF">Studies have not found that abstinence-only programs cut pregnancy rates, sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), <u>or even the age when sexual activity begins.</span></u></span> </div></div>

Just ask Bristol Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Q.......... link (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/09/29/331692/study-finds-huge-majority-of-young-evangelicals-have-pre-marital-sex-exposing-flaws-with-right-wing-attacks-on-sex-ed/)

Gayle in MD
09-30-2011, 05:08 AM
And ask her MOM, Sara, also pregnant before marriage. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

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Qtec
09-30-2011, 05:47 AM
Ed thinks if we just tell the bankers not to be so greedy, then the financial crisis would be solved.

There is nothing wrong with teenagers having sex, as long as they do it responsibly.



Do you know how many babies were given up for adoption last year by Dutch citizens?


15. Yep, 15.

Do you know how many kids in the state of New York there are looking for fostering or adoption?

Almost 8,000.

For the religious RW, [the 'pro-life mob who love executions and are willing to watch a man die because he has been 'irresponsible' enough NOT to have HC insurance ] their responsibility BEGINS with conception and ENDS at birth.

They would quite happily execute a baby they saved. Mad.

Q

Gayle in MD
09-30-2011, 06:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ed thinks if we just tell the bankers not to be so greedy, then the financial crisis would be solved.

There is nothing wrong with teenagers having sex, as long as they do it responsibly.



Do you know how many babies were given up for adoption last year by Dutch citizens?


15. Yep, 15.

Do you know how many kids in the state of New York there are looking for fostering or adoption?

Almost 8,000.

For the religious RW, [the 'pro-life mob who love executions and are willing to watch a man die because he has been 'irresponsible' enough NOT to have HC insurance ] their responsibility BEGINS with conception and ENDS at birth.

They would quite happily execute a baby they saved. Mad.

Q




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[color:#990000]Oh, no doubt, or let an ill young man die on the spot, just because he didn't have health insurance. Amazing statistics, BTW.

I truly never thought I wouold witness applause, for these kinds of inhumane thoughts and policies, as I have seen in the REpublican philosophy. What on earth have we come to, when people applaud murdering an innocent man, and letting an ill young man die, for lack of health insurance!!!

While the right on this forum are the pervasive accusers of hypocritical thinking, I must say, their own actions here, prove otherwise.

Ed is a good example of the pervasive denial of the right, and their irrational views, and particularly, of the religious right, and I actually like Ed, but here we have him on here for years, calling me a murderer, for standing up for women's rights, when in fact, I have never had an abortion, while as we can see, in the documentation I have provided, any birth control, other than a prophilactic, that does not break, includes the possibility of a fertilized egg, being repelled by the hormonal changes in the womb.

I'm expecting one of those Johnny Cockran lines, like if it doesn't fit, you must acquit? If it doesn't attach, it isn't murder???

First, after realizing that the pioll did in fact include such a result, Ed tried to change it over to the UID, LOL, which, as you can see, also repells those rare fertilized eggs.

Anyone who hasn't learned by adulthood, that prohibitions, of any kind, do not prevent the very behavior which is being prohibited, is simply a fool. I thought we had all learned that much, after prohibition failed as miserably as the war on drugs, and actually resulted in increased alcoholism, but worked very successfully to usher in organized crime, and as well, and as we know, the wealthy, and the politicians, and the religious men of that day, never gave up their alcohol, LOL.

As I have stated, any parent who ignores the facts of human nature, and teaches and provides only abstinenece education, is committing an act of serious parental neglect, IMO.

If Ed denies that he and his wife have been, all along, through the use of the pill, or the IUD, just as much the "murderers" as the relentless accusations he has aimed at me, for supporting a woman's right to control her own body, for years, and additionally, we now learn that he didn't even bother, apparently, to research his own birth control methods, enough to insure that his own decisions, regarding birth control, did not include some of the very same "Murders" (His lable, not mine)of which he condemns others, then I will be very disappointed in him.

It is the gross denial of facts, which is so profuse in the policies of Republicans, the extreme RW, Tea Party Republicans, the religious fundamentalists, and so called Libertarians, as well, which I find so disgusting and absurd, and so pittifully unproductive, and more than faulty, ruinous for our country, in fact.

Their hero, Ronald Reagan, ushered in not only the illegal alien infiltration of this country, with his Amnesty, but also supported the first major legislation for gun control, in my lifetime. A very good example of their ridiculous on going lies and reversal of facts.

They aren't they Tea Party, they are The Teflon Party, LMAO!

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eg8r
09-30-2011, 09:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's what 11 physicians and medical professionals </div></div>I see you choose to wear the same ignorance. Keep it up. LOL

eg8r

eg8r
09-30-2011, 09:16 AM
Great thanks for the education that proves I was wrong about you, it is not ingorance you choose it is stupidity and lack of comprehension.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-30-2011, 09:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's what 11 physicians and medical professionals </div></div>I see you choose to wear the same ignorance. Keep it up. LOL

eg8r </div></div>

Ed,
I've provided you with the facts.

You can deny them if that makes you comfortable, as I expected you might do, givenn you deny everything that doesn't fit into your fantasies about reality..

But don't expect to get away with the denials.

There is no birth control, that does not include the possibility of destroying a fertilized egg, other than using a prophilactic that does not break.

Hence, to continue to call others, murderers, on the basis of your stated opinions, that destroying a fertilized egg, is murder, would be supreme hypocrisy!

G.

eg8r
09-30-2011, 09:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've provided you with the facts.
</div></div>No you haven't. All you have provided are articles. All your articles tell us the forms of birth control are meant to stop fertilization which is exactly what I said. Basically what we have is you not liking the fact that I was right and your example was stupid so you haul off and do what you can to prove I am right. LOL. Like my previous posts says, I was wrong in stating your ignorance, I should have said "reading comprehension".

eg8r

Gayle in MD
09-30-2011, 09:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've provided you with the facts.
</div></div>No you haven't. All you have provided are articles. All your articles tell us the forms of birth control are meant to stop fertilization which is exactly what I said. Basically what we have is you not liking the fact that I was right and your example was stupid so you haul off and do what you can to prove I am right. LOL. Like my previous posts says, I was wrong in stating your ignorance, I should have said "reading comprehension".

eg8r </div></div>

IUD's and Birth Controll Pills, do not prevent a fertilized egg, from being destroyed, and both do allow some eggs that make it through, to be fertilized, rare, but it does happen.

Only a Diaphram, and a prophilactic, can prevent fertilization, and only when nothing goes wrong.

Now you can deny it all you want, but I think The American Medical Association, and numerous other hospitals, and resources, would have the last say, not you, and what I gave you is exactly the same information that they have on their websites.

If you had any sense of responsibility at all, you would have to admit, you have done exactly what you call others murderers for doing, if your birth control was eitherr an IUD, or the Birth Control Pill, for any length of time.

I intentionally gave you Right Wing sites, as well are open forums, with the information, including medical input, with links.

End of your lies and denials!

G.