View Full Version : Obama: 'This Is Not Class Warfare; It's Math'

09-19-2011, 08:06 PM
Obama slaps down the RW talking points.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">President Barack Obama Monday introduced his plan to trim the deficit, including a "Buffett rule" -- named after billionaire Warren Buffett -- which would ensure that people making over $1 million a year would pay a tax rate as high as the people that work for them.

"<u>Middle class families shouldn't pay higher taxes than millionaires and billionaires," the president declared. "That's pretty straightforward.</u> It's hard to argue against that. Warren Buffett's secretary shouldn't pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett. There's no justification for it."

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"Anybody who says we can't change the tax code to correct that, <u>anyone who has signed some pledge to protect every single tax loophole so long as they live, they should be called out.</u></span> They should have to defend that unfairness," he added. "If their pledge [is] to keep that kind of unfairness in place, they should remember the last time I checked, the only pledge that really matters is the pledge we make to uphold the Constitution."

Obama went on to fire back at Republicans who had called his plan class warfare.

"<span style='font-size: 14pt'>We're already hearing the usual defenders of these kind of loopholes saying this is just class warfare. <u>I reject the idea that asking a hedge fund manager to pay the same tax rate at a plumber or teacher is class warfare.</u> I think it's just the the right thing to do,</span>" he said.

"Both parties agree that we need to reduce the deficit by the same amount, by $4 trillion. So what choices are we going to make to reach that goal? Either we ask the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share in taxes or we ask seniors to pay more for Medicare. We can't afford to do both. Either we gut education and medical research or we've got to reform the tax code so that most profitable corporations have to give up tax loopholes that other companies don't get.<span style='font-size: 14pt'> We can't afford to do both. This is not class warfare; it's math."</span> </div></div>


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Gayle in MD
09-19-2011, 10:01 PM
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09-19-2011, 10:53 PM
The stupidity of the gullible people otherwise known as useful idiots who inhabit this place never disappoints.

Obama 2009: Raising Taxes Hurts Businesses and the Economy.


Gayle in MD
09-19-2011, 11:25 PM
That's my Barry!

Time to hit the pigs with the VETO PEN!

Give 'em hell Barry! Kudos!


The country is behind President Obama's tax proposals.

We want a morally fair tax policy, that isn't all on the backs of the Middle Class, or retired Workers. Most of us want to maintain the policies that make America a country of principles.

Sixty-four percent of us, say drop the welfare for the wealthy, the Bush Tax cuts!

Class warfare, Says Boehner, and Ryan?

What colossal NERVE! Thier policies are proven, obvious failures.

Time to thump the Neanderthals!!! They're looking more stupid every day. This was the turning point we have been waiting for!

We must grow a robust Middle Class. No more billionaires and millionaires paying fifteen percent, while all the rest of our taxpayers are paying twice that rate.

Perfect timing for lowering the ax...


09-19-2011, 11:42 PM
Yep, it still doesn't disappoint.

09-20-2011, 06:41 AM
The only math involved is adding the electoral college tally.

Gayle in MD
09-20-2011, 07:27 AM
Worth repeating, friend...

Seven Biggest Repiglican Lies!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1) Tax cuts to the rich and corporations trickle down to the rest of us. (No it doesn't and it never has.)

2) If you shrink government you create jobs. (No, you get rid of jobs that way.)

3) High taxes on the rich hurts the economy. (No, the economy grew when the US did this under Eisenhower.)

4) Debt is to be avoided and it is mostly caused by Medicare. (No, if debt is properly used to grow the economy, it becomes a smaller part of the budget because of increased revenue and Medicare has the lowest overhead of any health insurance plan out there.)

5) Social Security is a Ponzi scheme (No, its solid for 26 years. Rick Perry is "lying through his teeth" says Reich. Social Security is solid beyond that if the rich pay the same percentage in social security taxes as the rest of us do.)

6) We need to tax the poor. (This is what Republicans have been proposing when they say any tax reform needs to involve all Americans because poor people pay no income tax. The poor have no money and taxing them will not solve our budget problems.)

Add to these, the biggest lie ever, that Saddam was an immediate threat to the US, and Bush and Cheney aren't War Criminals.


LOL, the poor don't have trillions of dollars hidden off shore, either, but they do pay into SS, Medicare, etc....

It's actually more like forty % that don't pay income taxes, because they are living in poverty, trying to feed their families, put gas in their vehicles, pay for medicals, home heating, expensive food prices, all of it on under forty thousand a year.

That wouldn't even cover Rep John Fleming's (R -LA & T.P. Caucus)family's appetizers for a year, lol. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif


09-20-2011, 07:38 AM
All roads lead back to the US federal government.
It is the single largest contributor to the all the problems currently being experienced in this nation.

Gayle in MD
09-20-2011, 08:17 AM
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"Republicans are always saying that Government doesn't work, then they get into office, and prove it!" </span>

Eight years of spending and borrowing by Bush, six of them with Blank check Repiglicans owning Washington D.C., spending and borrowing, failing oversight, totally, lying about the economy, and none of them paying for anything, leaves devastation that cannot be turned around in three or four short years.

They robbed Americans to give to the wealthy, then turn around and call it class warfare, when the country says, "PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE!"

All economists of note, agree, the approach should be a balanced approach, where no one segment of our society is overly burdened, not an approach which leaves a third of the country hungry, cold and ill, or with no recourse.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much;
It is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."

"They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers...
Call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order."

Competition has been shown to be useful up to a certain point and no further, but cooperation, which is the thing we must strive for today, begins where competition leaves off.
-- Quote by Franklin D. Roosevelt, Speech at the People's Forum in Troy, New York (March 3, 1912) </div></div>

09-20-2011, 09:59 AM
But most people aren't good at math!

Oh noes!

09-20-2011, 03:52 PM
How will raising taxes on the wealthy increase revenue when in reality it will drive money into tax havens?

09-20-2011, 03:53 PM
How will raising taxes on the wealthy increase jobs?

09-20-2011, 03:53 PM
How will raising taxes on the wealthy increase auto sales?

09-20-2011, 03:54 PM
How will raising taxes on the wealthy stop the housing crisis?

09-20-2011, 03:54 PM
How will raising taxes on the wealthy lower fuel prices?

09-20-2011, 03:54 PM
How will raising taxes on the wealthy lower the US trade deficit?

09-20-2011, 03:55 PM
How will raising taxes on the wealthy slow inflation?

09-20-2011, 04:28 PM



09-20-2011, 04:32 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How will raising taxes on the wealthy increase auto sales? </div></div>

How will firing 500,000 public workers increase auto sales.???

How will attacking unions and making the MC pay more for HC and pensions increase auto sales??????

Your question is MORONIC!!!!!!!

Try and stay on topic.


09-20-2011, 05:23 PM

09-20-2011, 05:24 PM

09-20-2011, 05:31 PM
How will raising taxes on the wealthy increase revenue when in reality it will drive money into tax havens?

The so-called largest tax increases in history were passed under GHW Bush and then afterwards, by Clinton. Haven't looked it up, but I'm certain tax revenues grew after those tax increases.

How will raising taxes on the wealthy increase jobs?

After those two aforementioned tax hikes on the wealthy, there were 22 million new jobs created. Part of the reason is that given a greater amount of money taken by taxing on net profits (or S-corp passthroughs), the business owner may be more prone to spend the money instead for business expenses like salaries. Why? Because NOT spending the money has less a payoff than before the tax hike.

09-20-2011, 06:44 PM