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LWW
09-21-2011, 04:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON -- Look out President Barack Obama. Even Sarah Palin's gaining on you.

A new McClatchy-Marist poll finds that Obama looks increasingly vulnerable in next year's election, with a majority of voters believing he'll lose to any Republican, a solid plurality saying they'll definitely vote against him and most potential Republican challengers gaining on him.

Even in potential matchups where he leads, Obama in most cases has lost ground to the Republican.

The biggest gain came for Palin, the former Alaska governor who hasn't yet announced whether she'll jump into the fast-changing race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

After trailing Obama by more than 20 percentage points in polls all year, the new national survey, taken Sept. 13-14, found Palin trailing the president by just 5 points, 49-44 percent. The key reason: She now leads Obama among independents, a sharp turnaround.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/20/v-...l#ixzz1Ya9eQueM (http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/20/v-fullstory/2417008/poll-finds-obama-losing-ground.html#ixzz1Ya9eQueM) </div></div>

Gayle in MD
09-21-2011, 09:36 AM
LMAO!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> By STEVEN THOMMA
McClatchy Newspapers
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What a joke!

Another pointless, skewed, irrational post by LWW.

The forum is chock full of them.

Qtec
09-21-2011, 09:49 AM
Palin.............LOL......HaHaHa.....

Q

Soflasnapper
09-21-2011, 10:56 AM
Well, this is a real poll result, from a real paper chain.

What this shows is several things.

One, of course, is Obama's true weakness in general, and with independents particularly.

More importantly, though, it shows the public infatuation with candidates not running and not under scrutiny. Obama continues his lead over all announced GOP candidates, and only unannounced ones lead. The one who does better than Palin in this poll is Giuliani, and he is a complete joke of a candidate (with a zero chance, I'd say even worse chances than Palin).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> By 72 percent to 24 percent, Republicans and Republican-leaning independents do not want Palin to run for president in 2012. Even among tea party supporters - a group that likes Palin - 68 percent do not want her to run.

And by 58 percent to 32 percent, Republican voters do not want Giuliani, who ran and lost in 2008, to run in 2012.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/20/v-...l#ixzz1YbhhE5IR (http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/20/v-fullstory/2417008/poll-finds-obama-losing-ground.html#ixzz1YbhhE5IR)
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Same deal with Hillary's current high approval rating. She's not out in the public eye, and she's not being attacked. All that would change if she were making decisions, doing things overtly in public, and coming under attack.

Lastly, all individual polls do is capture one moment in time. There will be several million moments in time prior to the next year fall election season. They say a month is a lifetime in a political race, and this is more like 13 lifetimes. Polls often turn out to be outliers, in that they reflect numbers no other poll, even that same polling org, ever finds to be the case. Until multiple polls show the same thing, and over time, and a trend, any particular individual poll has a most limited implication.

LWW
09-21-2011, 11:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More importantly, though, it shows the public infatuation with candidates not running and not under scrutiny. </div></div>

You didn't just post that about Palin in an open form did you?

Seriously?

That's simply precious.

After 3.5 years of the national leftist media incessantly that:

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN</span> went sh-sh-sh-shopping!!!!

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN</span> took a b-b-boat close to a b-b-b-bear!!!!

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN</span> shot a w-w-w-wolf!!!!

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN</span> put the state jet on e-bay but didn't sell it!!!!

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN</span> took her kids to Haiti!!!!

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN</span> goes to a Christian church!!!!

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN'S</span> daughter went on DWTC!!!!

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN</span> wrote two books and was paid m-m-m-money!!!!

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN</span> quit her old job to make m-m-m-money!!!!

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN</span> had s-s-s-sex before she was m-m-m-married!!!!

- <span style='font-size: 17pt'>P-P-P-PALIN</span> sent <span style='font-size: 14pt'>E-MAILS!!!!</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>MY GAWD!!!</span> <span style='font-size: 26pt'>E-MAILS!!!!</span>

Now the leftist position is that she hasn't been under any scrutiny.

llotter
09-21-2011, 11:21 AM
Thanks for helping us understand this poll better.

LWW
09-21-2011, 11:25 AM
He repeated it almost word for word from David Pluffe's explanation.

llotter
09-21-2011, 12:29 PM
If you are really smart, it's okay to talk down to people.

Soflasnapper
09-21-2011, 01:17 PM
Whatever. You cannot say she has been in the debates, and been challenged by competitors on her record, as that has not happened. Palin's last major foray into the public discussion was her 'blood libel' commentary on the Gabby Giffords situation, and that is quite a long time ago as these things go. What exactly have been her POLITICAL activities, other than pretending to be about to run? Photo-ops on the bus tour? Photo-ops at the Iowa State Fair? Remember those political sound bytes from these occurrences? You don't, because there were none.

You might as well say Hillary has been doing things in public, and challenge that part of what I said. Yes, she has been seen in public, and doing things. That isn't the same as being in the political arena, per se.

Same thing as to Giuliani. He's been seen a fair bit as we passed the 9/11 anniversary. He's not invisible. Yet he's not been on the political stage despite being seen in public.

Hadn't heard any Plouffe (or seen links to any commentary on this from him) at all. Actually, on a quick check searching Plouffe Palin and poll together, I find nothing newer than late last year. Did he really say something like this at all, or did you make it up? As a man who has rejoined the re-election campaign, I should think any such comments would be cited, quoted, and linked to, somewhere. Didn't find anything like this myself.

I suggest you've made that up from whole cloth. Isn't that so?

Rather, it was a commonplace observation back in the Clinton years, that when HRC or Bill were relatively out of the news cycles at the time, they tended to poll better.

LWW
09-21-2011, 02:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whatever. You cannot say she has been in the debates, and been challenged by competitors on her record, as that has not happened. </div></div>

There you go using weasel words again.

What you claimed was that she hadn't been subjected to scrutiny ... and I didn't even bring up the moonbat orgy over seeing who could blame her for Giffords on the flimsiest reason.

Soflasnapper
09-21-2011, 05:14 PM
There are supplements that can help with brain function, LWW. Perhaps it's time to look into them.

Of COURSE, Palin HAS BEEN scrutinized in the past. So had HRC when she was in the WH.

In both cases, after they were out of the spotlight of controversy for a period of time without on-going scrutiny of controversial actions or words, the public reverted to a greater stated approval rating.

Same way presidents are considered more fondly, and with greater approval, once they leave office for a bit and stop doing things people oppose.

Because if you DO or SAY anything political, half the people are going to hate it (differing halves, depending on what position is taken). Say nothing, and do nothing (ala Palin's last 6 months), and opposition cools.

You find this hard to believe or accept? Why?

LWW
09-22-2011, 02:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More importantly, though, it shows the public infatuation with candidates not running and not under scrutiny.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of COURSE, Palin HAS BEEN scrutinized in the past. So had HRC when she was in the WH. </div></div>

Precious, simply precious.

Not only do you take both sides, and insist that both sides are in fact true, you do it with the typical condescending arrogance of a leftist who hasn't a clue what to say other than to attack all enemies of their beloved dear leader ... and, of course, to slavishly wail and gnash your teeth shouting<span style='font-size: 11pt'> "R-R-R-RAAAAY - SIZZZZUMMMM!!!!"</span> whenever he is subjected to even cursory scrutiny.