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Qtec
10-01-2011, 04:48 AM
All republicans claim they are pro-life, but are they.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">House Republicans' Labor Budget Cuts Rules That Protect Rooftop Workers From Falling, Coal Miners From Coal Dust

WASHINGTON -- In addition to <u>blocking President Obama's health care law and slashing funding for job training,</u> the budget plan presented by House Republicans for health and labor programs this week would scuttle several <u>worker safety protections put forth by the Department of Labor.</u>

Among other anti-regulatory measures, the budget would block the department from moving forward with its <u>Injury and Illness Prevention Program,</u> which would require employers to develop written plans to address workplace hazards and reduce worker injuries. Under the Republican plan, no Labor Department funding could be devoted toward the program.

The budget also takes aim at an obscure but notable Labor Department rule <span style='font-size: 14pt'>intended to reduce the death and maiming of construction workers who labor on rooftops. The department's Occupational Safety and Health Administration had planned to ramp up the enforcement of harness rules for roofers working on residential construction sites, but the Republican plan forbids the agency from doing so, as noted by the public-health blog The Pump Handle.</span>

Another OSHA rule gutted by the bill relates to repetitive-motion injuries. The agency has been developing a rule that will require employers to check a box on agency forms in cases where workers have developed musculoskeletal disorders. Although the rule costs practically nothing and goes primarily toward data collection, the Republican budget forbids it from moving forward.

Although the bill would slightly boost funding for OSHA, it would prevent the agency from carrying out several of its missions, says Justin Feldman, worker health and safety advocate at the watchdog group Public Citizen. Feldman believes the budget is in keeping with Republicans' anti-regulatory zeal, even when the regulations protect workers at little or no cost.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"The Republican platform is 'No regulations are good regulations -- regulations kill jobs,' " Feldman said. "So they're just attacking everything indiscriminately, it seems."</span></div></div>





The GOP slogan should be,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Vote for an early death. Vote GOP. </div></div>

Think about it. Everything they do is designed to shorten the lifespan for the average man.

No HC or little HC.
More pollution.
Less safety at the workplace.
Less wages.
Less of a safety net.
More stress...etc etc etc etc......... less regulation costs lives (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/department-of-labor-budget-2012_n_989624.html)


.....lets not forget MORE tax cuts for the super wealthy.

Q

Gayle in MD
10-01-2011, 08:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All republicans claim they are pro-life, but are they.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">House Republicans' Labor Budget Cuts Rules That Protect Rooftop Workers From Falling, Coal Miners From Coal Dust

WASHINGTON -- In addition to <u>blocking President Obama's health care law and slashing funding for job training,</u> the budget plan presented by House Republicans for health and labor programs this week would scuttle several <u>worker safety protections put forth by the Department of Labor.</u>

Among other anti-regulatory measures, the budget would block the department from moving forward with its <u>Injury and Illness Prevention Program,</u> which would require employers to develop written plans to address workplace hazards and reduce worker injuries. Under the Republican plan, no Labor Department funding could be devoted toward the program.

The budget also takes aim at an obscure but notable Labor Department rule <span style='font-size: 14pt'>intended to reduce the death and maiming of construction workers who labor on rooftops. The department's Occupational Safety and Health Administration had planned to ramp up the enforcement of harness rules for roofers working on residential construction sites, but the Republican plan forbids the agency from doing so, as noted by the public-health blog The Pump Handle.</span>

Another OSHA rule gutted by the bill relates to repetitive-motion injuries. The agency has been developing a rule that will require employers to check a box on agency forms in cases where workers have developed musculoskeletal disorders. Although the rule costs practically nothing and goes primarily toward data collection, the Republican budget forbids it from moving forward.

Although the bill would slightly boost funding for OSHA, it would prevent the agency from carrying out several of its missions, says Justin Feldman, worker health and safety advocate at the watchdog group Public Citizen. Feldman believes the budget is in keeping with Republicans' anti-regulatory zeal, even when the regulations protect workers at little or no cost.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"The Republican platform is 'No regulations are good regulations -- regulations kill jobs,' " Feldman said. "So they're just attacking everything indiscriminately, it seems."</span></div></div>





The GOP slogan should be,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Vote for an early death. Vote GOP. </div></div>

Think about it. Everything they do is designed to shorten the lifespan for the average man.

No HC or little HC.
More pollution.
Less safety at the workplace.
Less wages.
Less of a safety net.
More stress...etc etc etc etc......... less regulation costs lives (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/department-of-labor-budget-2012_n_989624.html)


.....lets not forget MORE tax cuts for the super wealthy.

Q
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Yep, and the studies show that those workers whose jobs require hard labor, have a shorter life span to begin with, hence, the wealthy live longer to begin with, and with REpublicans trying to raise SS age requirement, those who aren't wealthy, will at the least, die sooner than the wealthy.

It isn't just class warfare, that the Repiglican Party promotes, it is genocide, in small doses.

Here is my campaign sign, which I will carry from one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the other, one day a week.

"A Vote For Repiglicans Is A Vote For Cancer and Environmental Genocide"

G.

eg8r
10-01-2011, 10:39 PM
First off, why do you intend to mis-represent the accepted use of pro-life? I have never seen it used anywhere other than in discussions or issues related to the murder of babies.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Among other anti-regulatory measures, the budget would block the department from moving forward with its Injury and Illness Prevention Program, which would require employers to develop written plans to address workplace hazards and reduce worker injuries.</div></div>You would prefer to just fire them and then tell the world about the cost savings.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
10-03-2011, 07:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First off, why do you intend to mis-represent the accepted use of pro-life? I have never seen it used anywhere other than in discussions or issues related to the murder of babies.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Among other anti-regulatory measures, the budget would block the department from moving forward with its Injury and Illness Prevention Program, which would require employers to develop written plans to address workplace hazards and reduce worker injuries.</div></div>You would prefer to just fire them and then tell the world about the cost savings.

eg8r </div></div>

It's against the law, to murder babies in this country,
Ed.

To use your Bush/Cheney War Crimes, philosophy, that no crime has been committed unless the offender ends up convicted, and jailed, an absurd statement on it's face, then both you and your wife, would be in jail for murdering babies, right now, if murdering babies, in your definition, was actually happening in this country, by those who seek abortions, or by those who used The Pill, and the IUD, like you have (and do?).

One would think, you'd have enough intelligence, to get off that claim, now that I have provided proof, that you took actions to kill off fertilized fetuses, that you have called babies on this forum, for over a decade, would fit your own definition of murder.

Stop with the lies.

Medical Science says that once an egg has been fertilized, it is a FETUS.

Your religious right, calls it a baby, after that event, as I have proven to you.

Funny watching you move your line around, to protect yourself, after all of your years on here accusing me of being a murderer, because I believe a woman has the right to control her own body, and make her own decisions about her private affairs, in life.

G.

eg8r
10-03-2011, 08:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All republicans claim they are pro-life, but are they.
</div></div>Whoa, before you start arguing a strawman why don't you prove this?

eg8r

eg8r
10-03-2011, 08:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's against the law, to murder babies in this country,
Ed.
</div></div>No it is not, abortion is the accepted form of murder.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
10-03-2011, 08:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's against the law, to murder babies in this country,
Ed.
</div></div>No it is not, abortion is the accepted form of murder.

eg8r </div></div>

Another radical religious fundamentalist, who denies Science.

That's what you are.

Additionally, as I have proven to you, if you have used birth control, and/or the IUD, then you very well may have committed exactly what you are wrongfully calling murder, yourself.

Nice try, at moving your line around, and ignoring the facts. boht the pill and the IUD, can and do, kill off fertilized fetuses....

Hence, they are not 100 percent effective, and hence women do get pregnant, on both, and hence, eggs do get fertilized, usually, they are expelled before they attach.

Your philosophy has been that expelling, or removing a fetus, is the same thing as murdering a baby.

I suppose that makes you a murderer? both means of Birth Control, abort fertilized eggs...fetuses.

G.

eg8r
10-03-2011, 12:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Additionally, as I have proven to you</div></div>You have not proven a thing. If an egg is fertilized while using birth control then the person becomes pregnant at which point you are a proponent of murdering that baby. You did attempt at calling a fertizlized egg a baby but sofla quickly dispelled your lies.

eg8r

Qtec
10-04-2011, 12:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What Does "Pro-Life" Really Mean?

Isn't it time we tackled this question?

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Isn't it time that those who really care about life seized the word from the Republican right and <u>reclaimed its true meaning?</u></span>

Now that Mitt Romney has won the Iowa straw poll by claiming that he's turned "pro-life" after his long years in the pro-choice wilderness of Massachusetts paganism, isn't it time we stated loud and clear what "pro-life" means in the mouth of a right-wing candidate?

It means <u>pro-coercion.</u> It means <u>pro-criminalization.</u> It means seeking to punish women for exercising a right that for more than thirty years has been treated as Constitutional. (<span style='font-size: 14pt'>You can't make abortion illegal without prosecuting, convicting, and jailing the women who choose it as well as the doctors who perform it.</span>) </div></div>

you should read it (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-heffernan/what-does-prolife-really-_b_60625.html)


Now its getting more extreme with this "life begins at the moment of fertilisation" crap. They want to make contraception a crime!

These fanatical anti-abortion people are really anti-choice.
The other side is pro-choice. Many of them actually oppose abortion but they believe its a woman's choice. Its not their call to make.

Q

Qtec
10-04-2011, 12:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All republicans claim they are pro-life, but are they.
</div></div>Whoa, before you start arguing a strawman why don't you prove this?

eg8r </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Republican Party is the Pro-Life Party

The Republican Party must continue to uphold the principle that every human being, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>born and <u>unborn</u></span>, young and old, healthy and disabled, has a fundamental, individual right to life. Like Abraham Lincoln, we rely on the Declaration of Independence for our authority to assert that every individual human being has a Creator-endowed right to life, and that it is the duty of government to protect that right. In the tradition of Abraham Lincoln, we assert that no human being, born or unborn, can be considered the property of another, and we repudiate the Roe v. Wade decision which presumed to give some individuals the so-called "right" to terminate the life of others. </div></div>

link (http://www.rnclife.org/brochure/rprolife.html)

This seems to be the line taken by all the Rep Pres candidates also.
There might be some who are pro choice but when was the last time you hear a GOP rep say so.

If you vote for the GOP, you vote for the repeal of Roe vs Wade.

Q

LWW
10-04-2011, 02:05 AM
[quote=Qtec] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now its getting more extreme with this "life begins at the moment of fertilisation" crap.

Q </div></div>

Then when does it begin?

LWW
10-04-2011, 02:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Medical Science says that once an egg has been fertilized, it is a FETUS.

G. </div></div>

NO ... it doesn't. A "FETUS" is a human being, usually about 2 months after conception, that is now discernible as a human being.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Medical Dictionary

feˇtus definition
or chiefly British foeˇtus Pronunciation: /ˈfēt-əs/
Function: n
pl feˇtusˇes ; or chiefly British foeˇtusˇes ; or foeˇti ; Pronunciation: /ˈfēt-ˌī/
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind
specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth compare EMBRYO </div></div>

Words mean things dear heart.

LIERACY IS A BEAUTIFUL THING (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fetus) ... you should try it.

Qtec
10-04-2011, 03:00 AM
Life begins when you are born. Its always been that way.

Q

Gayle in MD
10-04-2011, 07:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Additionally, as I have proven to you</div></div>You have not proven a thing. If an egg is fertilized while using birth control then the person becomes pregnant at which point you are a proponent of murdering that baby. You did attempt at calling a fertizlized egg a baby but sofla quickly dispelled your lies.

eg8r </div></div>

Your ignorance is stunning.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If an egg is fertilized while using birth control then the person becomes pregnant </div></div>

No, that is not always the result when an egg is fertilized, and in fact, the result is that the fertilized eggs, are more often expelled from the body, because the lining of the female organs, does not allow the fertilized egg to attach, so it is exxpelled.

Get it? Fertilized Eggs, IOW, BABIES in your world, are basically killed off by the woman's hormonal changes in the lining of her womb.

In fact, everything in your post, is a lie. Sofla isn't evven in this thread...stop with the irrational lies, Ed. The Medical World, proves you wrong.


Even your own RW religious groups, don't agree with your own lies.
G.

eg8r
10-04-2011, 07:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What Does "Pro-Life" Really Mean?

Isn't it time we tackled this question?

Isn't it time that those who really care about life seized the word from the Republican right and reclaimed its true meaning?
</div></div>So we now have an idiot that is trying to rewrite history. Pro-life is a phrase that came about over the abortion issues. This idiot and yourself can try and change the definition to suit your purposes all you want but you will still be wrong.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now its getting more extreme with this "life begins at the moment of fertilisation" crap.</div></div>That is gayle's lie.

eg8r

eg8r
10-04-2011, 07:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This seems to be the line taken by all the Rep Pres candidates also.
</div></div>First you tell us ALL Republicans are pro-life and now you tell us it "seems" like they are. Why can't you just man up and state that your gross exaggeration was incorrect and you shouldn't have used it to try and get your false point across?

eg8r

eg8r
10-04-2011, 07:46 AM
I guess comprehension really is your main problem. There is no way you are that stupid.

eg8r

LWW
10-04-2011, 07:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Life begins when you are born. Its always been that way.

Q </div></div>

Then why do the states of Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin have fetal homicide laws?

Homicide is described as the murder of a one human being murdering another.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">homˇiˇcide   [hom-uh-sahyd, hoh-muh-] Show IPA
noun
1. the killing of one human being by another.

2. a person who kills another; murderer. </div></div>

Hence, abortion is merely a legal means of murder.

JUMPING BUTTERBALLS! (http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=14386)

SNOOPY SWINGS AND MISSES ... AGAIN! (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homicide)