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LWW
10-03-2011, 04:52 AM
TOO FUNNY ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOJxQ7umeVw&feature=player_embedded)

Qtec
10-03-2011, 05:09 AM
You are truly delirious. Herb Cain [ LOL] is a fraud, just like the rest of the GOP candidates. I find it funny and a complete 'up in your face' that these guys lecture the rest of us about how we must all sacrifice whilst wearing a gold $50,000-$100,000 Rolex.

Simpely, he lies.

Start at 1.43. He states a complete lie.

In the UK, everyone has access to HC and it costs half what it costs in the USA.....and you don't have universal coverage!

In RW/GOP Bizzarro World, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the pearl in the crown for RW mumbo-jumbo Voodoo economics is Texas,</span>, a state where 25% don't have access to a Doctor.

That's progress.

Q



Note...the crowd is just as dumb/ignorant as Cain...that's why he gets applause when he speaks a downright lie.

LWW
10-03-2011, 10:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are truly delirious. Herb Cain [ LOL] is a fraud, just like the rest of the GOP candidates. I find it funny and a complete 'up in your face' that these guys lecture the rest of us about how we must all sacrifice whilst wearing a gold $50,000-$100,000 Rolex.

Q </div></div>

Actually ... that's a men's SS/gold datejust Rolex. If he paid $4K new he paid too much. Mine is a 1982 model that I bought in 1992 for $1.6K. OH MY! (http://www.melrosejewelers.com/rolex-mens-datejust-18k-ss-fluted.htm)

That's a bargain compared to Obama's $6.5K AND UP (http://thewatchlounge.com/how-expensive-should-president-barack-obama’s-watch-be/) VULCAIN watch.

LWW
10-03-2011, 10:29 AM
Now ... if you want total about phony, how about one of the left's icons. proclaimed by himself and his adoring fans to be a true man of the people and warrior for the cause of the poor, a man who many see as a 20th century Robin Hood?

Who am I talking about?

Here's a clue ... he wore two ROLEX watches, I mean why get by on one when they are being paid for with the people's dime?

Here's another clue, one was a ROLEX GMT Master worth about $7K new today.
JUMPING BUTTERBALLS! (http://www.melrosejewelers.com/rolex-gmt-master-II-two-tone-18k-ss.htm)

Yes, the left's one and only ...
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3Ez5thg_tq0/TeU4R4kg-OI/AAAAAAAAKXg/Vi9w_YrARb4/s1600/Che-Guevara-Rolex-GMT-Master-Espresso.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OBOndWum8f4/TeUrHWPBGOI/AAAAAAAAKWo/I6V5WxYKtyk/s1600/Che-Guevara-Rolex-GMT-Master.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-l_d_SKRthmI/TeUyHndekII/AAAAAAAAKWw/pmpT4nkjwHM/s1600/Che-Guevara-Rolex-GMT-Master.png http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_04kZGR_ltmE/SjeAcMjGyaI/AAAAAAAAD8c/y9uQPA7sZrA/s800/Che-Guevara-Rolex+GMT.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_04kZGR_ltmE/SjeAcMjGyaI/AAAAAAAAD8c/y9uQPA7sZrA/s1600-h/Che-Guevara-Rolex+GMT.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_04kZGR_ltmE/SjeAcMjGyaI/AAAAAAAAD8c/y9uQPA7sZrA/s1600-h/Che-Guevara-Rolex+GMT.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_04kZGR_ltmE/SjeAcMjGyaI/AAAAAAAAD8c/y9uQPA7sZrA/s1600-h/Che-Guevara-Rolex+GMT.jpg
http://www.melrosejewelers.com/product_image/product_category/Mens_Two_Tone_Blac-2989-1.jpghttp://www.melrosejewelers.com/product_image/product_category/Mens_Two_Tone_Blac-2989-1.jpghttp://www.melrosejewelers.com/product_image/product_category/Mens_Two_Tone_Blac-2989-1.jpg

That's right folks ... Ernesto "CHE" Guevara.

Soflasnapper
10-05-2011, 11:51 AM
My stainless steel Rolex GMT I received as a gift in the late '60s was worth $500 at the time. It would have been worth less in the late '50s, and this was the model you show Che sporting.

Soflasnapper
10-05-2011, 12:06 PM
That's a bargain compared to Obama's $6.5K AND UP VULCAIN watch.

Well, not really, considering the Vulcain is a GIFT (therefore costing Obama the tidy sum of $0.00).

A gift that company has been making to all new US presidents for 50 years, according to your link (I never heard of this before, but I'll accept that as fact).

Moreover, as with all official gifts to a US president, it is the property of the US people, and will remain in their custody once he leaves office.

Hilarious, how you call out anyone who mentions a Bush parallel to something, but you are always yelling BBBBBUT OBAMA! on all matters. How's that working out for you? Must feel good, as it is your go-to card in all circumstances.

LWW
10-06-2011, 03:51 AM
You just can't help being a hyper partisan tool can you?

1 - An SS GMT Master sells for $5,100.00 (http://www.melrosejewelers.com/rolex-gmt-master-II-stainless-steel.htm) ... whether or not that is what Ernesto had I'm not sure.

2 - You criticize me for possibly being off $2K.

3 - You give snoopy a pass for being off several thousand percent ... but he's a howling moonbat that supports dear leader even more slavishly than you, so you will accept it as "TRUTH" without question.

The bottom line is that the left has once again shown it's commitment to:

1 - Lie and exaggerate in an effort to defame anyone who poses a threat to dear leader.

2 - Make excuses for thugocrats such as Ernesto.

Qtec
10-06-2011, 04:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You just can't help being a hyper partisan tool can you? </div></div>

Geez, anyone who even disputes the price of a watch is a "partisan tool "?????

My nutjob-o-meter just went right off the scale.

Q

Qtec
10-06-2011, 04:07 AM
Why don't you just let it out.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>You hate Obama. Anything and every thing is his fault.</span>

9/11...Obama's fault.

Credit crisis..Obama's fault.

Housing fraud...Obama's fault.

Unpaid wars and tax cuts for the rich...Obama's fault.



etc etc etc etc etc

Q

LWW
10-06-2011, 04:24 AM
You need to stop by one of your local smoke shops and mellow out dude.

eg8r
10-06-2011, 07:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why don't you just let it out.

You hate Obama. Anything and every thing is his fault.
</div></div>Would you find fault in someone mimicking you?

eg8r

Soflasnapper
10-06-2011, 10:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You just can't help being a hyper partisan tool can you?

1 - An SS GMT Master sells for $5,100.00 (http://www.melrosejewelers.com/rolex-gmt-master-II-stainless-steel.htm) ... whether or not that is what Ernesto had I'm not sure.

2 - You criticize me for possibly being off $2K.

3 - You give snoopy a pass for being off several thousand percent ... but he's a howling moonbat that supports dear leader even more slavishly than you, so you will accept it as "TRUTH" without question.

The bottom line is that the left has once again shown it's commitment to:

1 - Lie and exaggerate in an effort to defame anyone who poses a threat to dear leader.

2 - Make excuses for thugocrats such as Ernesto.

</div></div>

The current cost of that watch tells us nothing about its cost more than 44 years ago.

I have knowledge of what it cost retail as of the late '60s (Che died in '67), and as I said, $500 to $600 at that time.

Moreover, apparently, Rolex GAVE AWAY these watches free of charge to the Cuban commandantes.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Comments on this before but, more or less... Rolex provided the "Comandantes" (not just Che or Castro) with free watches back when it was a romantic thing to do, Rolex chose them not the other way around /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif so their taste in time pieces is questionable ...( a marketing masterpiece tool) in return Castro allow Rolex to operated in Cuba for years after all other private Co. were confiscated....I agree with Ulack ...myself a Cuban born, I think politics and choice of watches are two things</div></div>

Seen here (http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/vintage-rolex-forum/9656-2.htm) at a Rolex discussion forum

Gayle in MD
10-06-2011, 11:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why don't you just let it out.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>You hate Obama. Anything and every thing is his fault.</span>

9/11...Obama's fault.

Credit crisis..Obama's fault.

Housing fraud...Obama's fault.

Unpaid wars and tax cuts for the rich...Obama's fault.



etc etc etc etc etc

Q </div></div>

They have to do it to take the attention off their own misjudgements and denials for eight damned years.

W. was by far the worst president of the last sixty years, maybe the worst EVER, and they know it.

They try to compare it to us, when we were writing and warning about the mess Bush was creating, and they were attacking us for writing the facts, but then, BWA HA HA HA HA....LMAO...Bush left such a documented, colossal mess, they lost face, and have never recovered from the blatant exposure of their own ignorance and denials.

Now, that they have rendered themselves nakedly exposed as ignorant and hopelessly irrational, they have to ramp up the lies and denials, just like the Republican have been doing, after proving they were the biggest spenders and borrowers in history, and left this country in a ditch of ****.

Some things never change.

Funny, remember how we used to write that Bush would destroy the country, and then Democrats would have to come in and do what they always have to do, after Republicans lose power, clean up the mess they leave behind them?

Hmmm...The Supreme Court limited our time to turn things around, though, didn't they?

Big money ran the last mid term election, thaks to their fascist ruling, and the National Election Cable Station's unlimited Free campaigning time for Republicans... Fux Noise....

Come to think of it, the Supreme Court, also responsible for thrusting the worst president in history, George W. Bush, upon the country in the first place.

G.

eg8r
10-06-2011, 11:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have knowledge of what it cost retail as of the late '60s (Che died in '67), and as I said, $500 to $600 at that time.
</div></div>What would that equate to in today's dollars?

eg8r

Soflasnapper
10-06-2011, 01:00 PM
$1.00 in 1967 had the same buying power as $6.66 in 2011.

According to this site, (http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm) which may or may not be wholly accurate. Probably close enough.

Making the value $3,300 to $4,000 equivalent in today's money, toward the end of the '60s.

Of course, he got it (them?) in the later '50s, some 10 years earlier, AND PAID ZERO, according to the commentary from the self-described Cuban Rolex commentator.

So, to the implicit question of, why would a man who scorned materialism and its trappings buy even a several hundred dollar watch at those times, and wouldn't he be hypocritical for doing that, the answer is-- he did not do that.

eg8r
10-06-2011, 01:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, to the implicit question of, why would a man who scorned materialism and its trappings buy even a several hundred dollar watch at those times, and wouldn't he be hypocritical for doing that, the answer is-- he did not do that. </div></div>However you can clearly see it really isn't that hypocritical since he decided to keep it and wear it. If someone really scorns materialism and believes in that then you will not find them flaunting it.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
10-06-2011, 02:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, to the implicit question of, why would a man who scorned materialism and its trappings buy even a several hundred dollar watch at those times, and wouldn't he be hypocritical for doing that, the answer is-- he did not do that. </div></div>However you can clearly see it really isn't that hypocritical since he decided to keep it and wear it. If someone really scorns materialism and believes in that then you will not find them flaunting it.

eg8r </div></div>

Keeping a gift, and wearing it, is a compliment to the person who gave it to you.

Scorning materialism, as a way of life, does not require that one is unable or forbbidden to appreciate the beauty and thoughtfullness, of a nice gift.

So no, as Sofla just explained to you, it isn't, and wasn't hypocritical at all.

G.

eg8r
10-06-2011, 03:00 PM
Actually you are quite wrong. If I detest something enough to publicly "scorn" it then no I would not wear an overpriced watch while my people suffered. That would be hypocritical and inconsiderate.

eg8r

LWW
10-06-2011, 05:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">$1.00 in 1967 had the same buying power as $6.66 in 2011.

According to this site, (http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm) which may or may not be wholly accurate. Probably close enough.

Making the value $3,300 to $4,000 equivalent in today's money, toward the end of the '60s.

Of course, he got it (them?) in the later '50s, some 10 years earlier, AND PAID ZERO, according to the commentary from the self-described Cuban Rolex commentator.

So, to the implicit question of, why would a man who scorned materialism and its trappings buy even a several hundred dollar watch at those times, and wouldn't he be hypocritical for doing that, the answer is-- he did not do that. </div></div>

So your claim that my argument of Ernesto receiving the ROLEX due to his corruption and taking advantage of "THE PEOPLE" is wrong because what he actually did was receive the ROLEX due to his corruption and taking advantage of "THE PEOPLE" ... that seems to require a diagnosis of doublethink.

How many poor could Ernesto have fed ... how many text books could Ernesto have bought had he not been bribed by the capitalist pigdogs, or at least sold the ROLEX which supposedly belonged to the people of Cooba?

LWW
10-06-2011, 05:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keeping a gift, and wearing it, is a compliment to the person who gave it to you.

Scorning materialism, as a way of life, does not require that one is unable or forbbidden to appreciate the beauty and thoughtfullness, of a nice gift.

So no, as Sofla just explained to you, it isn't, and wasn't hypocritical at all.

G. </div></div>

Shall we talk about the chauffer driven "PEOPLE'S" Daimler that Ernesto had use of ...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4519111795_8c4c2553e2_b.jpg

or that when he came to Cooba with Fidel for the revolucion' that they so wanted to be down with the common man that they took a motor yacht ...

http://cdn.dipity.com/uploads/events/c729b5b7d35e0d9a36cfe4cfd4fb364c_1M.png

or that they vacationed on private Cooban golf courses that they stole ...

http://www.jaermann-stuebi.com/images/bild_revolution.gif

or that they were frequently deep sea fishing with the likes of Hemingway on motor yachts ...

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0j3bdRy021qb583io1_500.jpg

or that when Ernesto took the revolucion from Cooba to Africa that he took all the modern conveniences of a wealthy weatern lifestyle ...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Cheguevaracongo.jpg

or that virtually every photo of him in the field shows him in a crisp new uniform with perfectly manicured nails ...

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00725/kuba59_5812_instruk_725190p.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b49/jeffmliss/Untitled-1-2.jpg

or how Ernesto lived on a 1,000 acre plantation with a servant staff that he stole from it's rightful owner ... or that it was fully stocked with western conveniences?

http://www.cubadebate.cu/wp-content/gallery/che-en-la-revolucion-cubana-1955-1966/ernesto-che-guevara-72a.jpg

http://www.photoshopsupport.com/photoshop-blog/07/11/elliott-erwitt-interview-unseen/unseen-p73-che-guevara-1964.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8947/che4kw7.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q19TbhyqIOQ/TeU0l6EOf7I/AAAAAAAAKXI/lcQPwg4jzYw/s800/Che-Guevara-Camera-Rolex.png

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3477/4082650507_9557cf59a5.jpg

or that both Ernesto and Fidel had multiple ROLEX watches:

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/purplepantman/Dougall/castro.jpg

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1903/cheut.jpg

or that Ernesto, after denying anyone mercy ... or even a trial, died like a true coward begging for his life with the last words of <span style='font-size: 11pt'>"DON'T SHOOT ME COLONEL ... I'M CHE GUEVARA, I'M WORTH MUCH MORE TO YOU ALIVE THAN DEAD!"</span>

Probably off limits eh?

Soflasnapper
10-07-2011, 03:14 PM
If you've set out to shock Che fans, congratulations.

However, unlike perhaps yourself in your previous leftist fanboy state you've admitted to in the past, the Che supporters whom you suppose you're shocking don't exist at this site, imo.

It that was your 'road to Damascus' conversion point on Che, again, congratulations.

But it's stale history, and even the left has likely moved forwards from that.

What's next? Are you going to prove Stalin was a homicidal maniac dictator? Nikita K himself proved all of that himself before the Politburo, and yes, some naive American in the CPUSA and other leftists were shocked, but it's been many decades ago by now.

Surely there are more current topics of concern than guys dead 43 years ago?

LWW
10-08-2011, 02:22 AM
So all through this thread when you were defending him you weren't actually defending him, you were just defending him?

Soflasnapper
10-09-2011, 01:11 PM
I should think the pattern is now clear enough, given all this time that's elapsed. But you still don't get it.

You've got the purpose backwards. I do not so much defend those you attack, but rather, attack <u>your attacks</u> as misguided, erroneous, and often, full-fledged Alinksyite agit-prop lying misrepresentations.

"Call me Ishmael." (opening line from Melville's 'Moby Dick')

Or maybe, Ahab. Consider Khan's soliloquy about Kirk.

You're my mini-white whale, is all that's going on here.