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LWW
10-04-2011, 07:56 AM
WHAT IN THE NAME OF HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL! (http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=14386#m)

Yes folks, Maryland law sees abortion as a legal means of murdering a human being.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">§ 2-103.
(a) For purposes of a prosecution under this title, "viable" has the meaning stated in § 20-209 of the Health - General Article.
(b) Except as provided in subsections (d) through (f) of this section, a prosecution may be instituted for murder or manslaughter of a viable fetus.
(c) A person prosecuted for murder or manslaughter as provided in subsection (b) of this section must have:
(1) intended to cause the death of the viable fetus;
(2) intended to cause serious physical injury to the viable fetus; or
(3) wantonly or recklessly disregarded the likelihood that the person's actions would cause the death of or serious physical injury to the viable fetus.
(d) Nothing in this section applies to or infringes on a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy as stated in § 20-209 of the Health - General Article.
(e) Nothing in this section subjects a physician or other licensed medical professional to liability for fetal death that occurs in the course of administering lawful medical care.
(f) Nothing in this section applies to an act or failure to act of a pregnant woman with regard to her own fetus.
(g) Nothing in this section shall be construed to confer personhood or any rights on the fetus.
(h) The commission of first degree murder of a viable fetus under this section, in conjunction with the commission of another first degree murder arising out of the same incident, does not constitute an aggravating circumstance subjecting a defendant to the death penalty under § 2-303(g)(ix) of this title.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hom·i·cide [hom-uh-sahyd, hoh-muh-] Show IPA
noun
1. the killing of one human being by another.

2. a person who kills another; murderer. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mur·der   [mur-der]

1. Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder). </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">death   [deth]

1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism. Compare brain death.

2. an instance of this: a death in the family; letters published after his death.

3. the state of being dead: to lie still in death.

4. extinction; destruction: It will mean the death of our hopes.

5. manner of dying: a hero's death. </div></div>

CHARLOTTE SPEAKS FROM IGNORANCE ... AGAIN!! (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homicide)

JUMPING BUTTERBALLS! (http://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2005/gcr/2-103.html)

WORDS MEAN THINGS! (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder)

YOU CANNOT CAUSE THE DEATH OF THAT WHICH IS NOT ALIVE! (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/death)

Soflasnapper
10-04-2011, 09:28 AM
Sure, but explain why this language doesn't prove you wrong:

g) Nothing in this section shall be construed to confer personhood or any rights on the fetus.

That clause would appear to DENY your heading, and therefore, under this law, Maryland does NOT recognize the unborn to be human beings, nor to have any rights (of a human being).

It's not even allowed as an aggravating factor in terms of death penalty eligibility when performed as part of another murder.

(h) The commission of first degree murder of a viable fetus under this section, in conjunction with the commission of another first degree murder arising out of the same incident, does not constitute an aggravating circumstance subjecting a defendant to the death penalty under § 2-303(g)(ix) of this title.

LWW
10-04-2011, 10:13 AM
One cannot murder what is not alive ... one cannot commit homicide on what is not human.

The fact if declaring an unborn to be non-person is Hitlerian and Orwellian at the same time.

Good catch, but I didn't really need any backup to my statement that Maryland law recognizes the unborn as human and that legalized abortion is simply legalized murder.

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>BRAVO!</span>

Soflasnapper
10-04-2011, 11:53 AM
You are still missing the qualification that this unusual EXTENSION of the meaning of 'murder' and 'homicide' only applies to a VIABLE FETUS.

Meaning that pre-viability, this law considers such a fetus either not a human, or not alive, in some way that is indeed difficult to understand.

Why does reaching a stage of development that allows independent life make the fetus either human, or alive, when it was neither before, in your view?

And to turn it around on you, doesn't the law's exclusion of non-viable fetuses PROVE (by legal definition) that a pre-viability abortion is neither killing, murder of a person, and not a person at all (i.e., the opposite of your claims)?

LWW
10-04-2011, 01:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are still missing the qualification that this unusual EXTENSION of the meaning of 'murder' and 'homicide' only applies to a VIABLE FETUS.

Meaning that pre-viability, this law considers such a fetus either not a human, or not alive, in some way that is indeed difficult to understand.

Why does reaching a stage of development that allows independent life make the fetus either human, or alive, when it was neither before, in your view?

And to turn it around on you, doesn't the law's exclusion of non-viable fetuses PROVE (by legal definition) that a pre-viability abortion is neither killing, murder of a person, and not a person at all (i.e., the opposite of your claims)?</div></div>

By legal definition in the state of Maryland, yes ... it defines a non viable fetus as being impossible to murder.

It also defines a viable fetus as:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">20-209. Intervention; regulations; liability.

(a) "Viable" defined.- In this section, "viable" means that stage when, in the best medical judgment of the attending physician based on the particular facts of the case before the physician, there is a reasonable likelihood of the fetus's sustained survival outside the womb.</div></div>

Now ... as far as "reasonable viability" having a definition?

Babies have survived at a gestational age of as little as 21 weeks and 5 days.

A baby at a gestational age of 23 weeks has up to a 35% chance of survival. At At 24 weeks a 50% chance. 25 weeks a 70% chance.

Surely even a reasonable person who person who supports abortion on demand can see that abortion beyond a gestational age of 24 weeks, by Maryland law ... and others, is simply legal murder.

Beyond that, IMHO, anyone who supports partial birth abortion is nothing more than a savage on a humanity level down with the dregs such as Josef Mengele.

DEAL WITH IT (http://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2010/health-general/title-20/subtitle-2/20-209/)

DON'T SUPPORT THE MURDER OF INNOCENTS! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viability_(fetal))

Soflasnapper
10-04-2011, 02:54 PM
What an ignorant load that all is.

PBA isn't a named medical procedure-- it refers to dilation and extraction.

The alternative when that would otherwise be indicated is a) poisoning the fetus with a saline injection, and b) dismembering the fetus in utero with mechanical saws for its extraction in tiny bloody pieces. Likely far more cruel, IMO.

Qtec
10-05-2011, 01:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What an ignorant load that all is. </div></div>

I think LLW has been watching too many Sunday talk shows.

This is a guy that would freak out if told he doesn't own his body.

Q

LWW
10-05-2011, 03:19 AM
And again we hear the plaintive wail of the howling moonbat.

Gayle in MD
10-05-2011, 08:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What an ignorant load that all is. </div></div>

I think LLW has been watching too many Sunday talk shows.

This is a guy that would freak out if told he doesn't own his body.

Q </div></div>

LOL, and just imagine how he's going to react if he ever discovers he doesn't own his own mind.

Not likely to happen, I know...

Rebonics Language is a powerful propaganda drug, skews everthing they read.

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DickLeonard
10-05-2011, 03:49 PM
Gayle we know LWW doesn't have a mind to own. Sorry ####

Gayle in MD
10-06-2011, 01:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DickLeonard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle we know LWW doesn't have a mind to own. Sorry #### </div></div>


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