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Qtec
10-07-2011, 12:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> CHANDLER MOUNTAIN, Ala.-- Chad Smith's family grows tomatoes on a mountaintop in rural northeast Alabama, and ships them from to Canada.

The summer's crop has been good. But Smith sees thousands of overripe tomatoes rotting alongside his vines, and sees only trouble.

"As of right now, we could lose probably fifty percent of what we have left for the year," Smith said.

That, said Smith, is because of a stiff shortage of field hands, traditionally Hispanic migrant workers. And Smith doesn't sugar-coat their status.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"Farmers across the whole country and every state (rely) on illegal immigration workers to do this kind of work," Smith said, "because that's the only people that's willing to do it."</span>

Like Georgia, this year Alabama enacted a tough new immigration law designed to squeeze out people working and living illegally in the US. By the time Smith's crop started ripening in July, he says most of his usual workers had disappeared.

Chad Smith says he's tried local workers.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"It ain't about the money, it's about the work physically. If a person can't do the work, they can't do it no matter how much you pay them," Smith said.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"As of next year, if nothing changes, there won't be a tomato grown here."</span>
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How can you steal a job that nobody wants.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"The tomatoes are rotting on the vine, and there is very little we can do," said Chad Smith, who farms tomatoes with his uncle, father and brother.

"My position is to stay with the law as it is," Beason told the farmers.

Beason helped write and sponsor a law the Legislature enacted in June to crack down on illegal immigration. It copied portions of laws enacted in Arizona, Georgia and other states, including allowing police to detain people indefinitely if they don't have legal status. Beason and other proponents said the law would help free up jobs for Alabamians in a state suffering through 9.9 percent unemployment.

The farmers said the some of their workers may have been in the country illegally, but they were the only ones willing to do the work.

"This law will be in effect this entire growing season," Beason told the farmers. He said he would talk to his congressman about the need for a federal temporary worker program that would help the farmers next season.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"There won't be no next growing season," farmer Wayne Smith said.

"Does America know how much this is going to affect them? They'll find out when they go to the grocery store. Prices on produce will double,"</span> he said. </div></div>

This is what happens when nutjobs get power.

Q........ read it here (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/alabama-harvests-bitter-fruit-its-ha)

cushioncrawler
10-07-2011, 01:02 AM
I am thinking that ideally all work should be non-alien, and payd at full proper rates.
If tomatos etc etc cannot survive, then goodbye tomatos.
Plus i would ban imports of produkts containing tomato.

My sons made good money picking fruit in ozz. And in ozz backpackers etc are allowed to pick fruit etc. One sons' girlfriend (and now partner) woz a fruit-picking alien backpacker. One of my boys and hiz wife had a permanent job at one time at one farm picking tomatos all year round.
But on many farms the ozzy locals are being sqeezed out by teams of ex-vietnameze contract pickers.
mac.

Qtec
10-07-2011, 01:40 AM
Tomatoes.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What’s the issue?

Tomato farming in Ghana is a vital livelihood. They are an important crop in Ghana, especially in northern Ghana where they are cultivated during the dry season near water sources. Demand for tomatoes in West Africa is huge yet tomato farmers’ livelihoods in Ghana are being destroyed. Local markets are full of fresh tomatoes during tomato season so farmers have to sell their produce cheap and much of their crop is left to rot. It is estimated that 50% of Ghanaian tomatoes rot or sell at below production cost.

One answer has been to sell the fresh produce to the local canning factory who process it into tinned tomatoes. Yet today the factories are closed and cheap, heavily subsidised imports have flooded the market. <span style='font-size: 14pt'><u>It is cheaper to buy imported tinned tomatoes than the local product.</u> In 10 years imported tinned tomatoes from the EU have increased by over 600%. Originally it was Italian tomatoes, now it is a Chinese concentrate sold by an American multinational and marketed as Italian. The concentrate is a paste mixed with sugars, starches and chemicals. Surely international organisations would want to support a more healthy, locally sourced option for a ‘developing country’ like Ghana.
ghananian farmer

Yet it is the World Trade Organisation’s rules that ban Ghana from putting taxes on imports or giving subsidies (financial support) to their own farmers that Ghanaian tomato farmers are caught in a vicious cycle.</span> Farmers are not able to sell enough of their produce at a fair price so they are going into debt and then can’t sell enough of their crop to recover. The plight of the tomato farmers has led to indebtedness, increased poverty and even suicide. </div></div>

Q

Gayle in MD
10-07-2011, 06:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> CHANDLER MOUNTAIN, Ala.-- Chad Smith's family grows tomatoes on a mountaintop in rural northeast Alabama, and ships them from to Canada.

The summer's crop has been good. But Smith sees thousands of overripe tomatoes rotting alongside his vines, and sees only trouble.

"As of right now, we could lose probably fifty percent of what we have left for the year," Smith said.

That, said Smith, is because of a stiff shortage of field hands, traditionally Hispanic migrant workers. And Smith doesn't sugar-coat their status.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"Farmers across the whole country and every state (rely) on illegal immigration workers to do this kind of work," Smith said, "because that's the only people that's willing to do it."</span>

Like Georgia, this year Alabama enacted a tough new immigration law designed to squeeze out people working and living illegally in the US. By the time Smith's crop started ripening in July, he says most of his usual workers had disappeared.

Chad Smith says he's tried local workers.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"It ain't about the money, it's about the work physically. If a person can't do the work, they can't do it no matter how much you pay them," Smith said.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"As of next year, if nothing changes, there won't be a tomato grown here."</span>
</div></div>


How can you steal a job that nobody wants.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"The tomatoes are rotting on the vine, and there is very little we can do," said Chad Smith, who farms tomatoes with his uncle, father and brother.

"My position is to stay with the law as it is," Beason told the farmers.

Beason helped write and sponsor a law the Legislature enacted in June to crack down on illegal immigration. It copied portions of laws enacted in Arizona, Georgia and other states, including allowing police to detain people indefinitely if they don't have legal status. Beason and other proponents said the law would help free up jobs for Alabamians in a state suffering through 9.9 percent unemployment.

The farmers said the some of their workers may have been in the country illegally, but they were the only ones willing to do the work.

"This law will be in effect this entire growing season," Beason told the farmers. He said he would talk to his congressman about the need for a federal temporary worker program that would help the farmers next season.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"There won't be no next growing season," farmer Wayne Smith said.

"Does America know how much this is going to affect them? They'll find out when they go to the grocery store. Prices on produce will double,"</span> he said. </div></div>

This is what happens when nutjobs get power.

Q........ read it here (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/alabama-harvests-bitter-fruit-its-ha) </div></div>

I wonder what this guy is paying the illegals an hour????
And how much he is getting in Farm Subsidies???
G.

eg8r
10-07-2011, 08:42 AM
Hip hip hooray. All Americans should stand and shout for glee. We are sending the illegals home and providing jobs for Americans. Who could be against this?

eg8r

LWW
10-07-2011, 10:08 AM
Snoopy is actually partly correct.

Americans won't do hard labor MW jobs because the existence provided by it and the existence provided by the welfare state are far too close together.

eg8r
10-07-2011, 10:53 AM
Doesn't matter. We don't need to relax our laws on illegals just because they are the only ones willing to do the work. Our nutty lefites used to tell us that this idea that Americans wouldn't do the work was completely false but now they are buying into it.

eg8r

LWW
10-07-2011, 11:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doesn't matter. We don't need to relax our laws on illegals just because they are the only ones willing to do the work. Our nutty lefites used to tell us that this idea that Americans wouldn't do the work was completely false but now they are buying into it.

eg8r </div></div>

I'm with you.

What this will do is cause wages for farm workers to rise.

This will cause food prices to rise ... but I'd rather see it rise because UE is going down than some stupidonomic policy that we need corn powered cars.

Soflasnapper
10-07-2011, 05:31 PM
I disagree.

What this will do is prevent some large fraction of the crop from getting to market, causing shortages and jumps in pricing, and then, by comments of the farmers, no crop next year at all.

cushioncrawler
10-07-2011, 06:30 PM
Az i say, i am libertarian here. A country should not import what it can grow efficiently.
Imports would be ok for produce and produkts that are needed, or to facilitate a 2-way (or global-way) deal to facilitate thems needed imports.
mac.

eg8r
10-07-2011, 10:00 PM
This is plain and simple...Do you want to end illegal immigration or not?

eg8r

Qtec
10-07-2011, 11:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doesn't matter. We don't need to relax our laws on illegals just because they are the only ones willing to do the work. Our nutty lefites used to tell us that this idea that Americans wouldn't do the work was completely false but now they are buying into it.

eg8r </div></div>Did you read my post?

Again,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Chad Smith says <u>he's tried local workers.</u>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"It ain't about the money, it's about the work physically. If a person can't do the work, they can't do it no matter how much you pay them,</span>" Smith said. </div></div>

Could you see Chris Christie doing that work?

Q

Qtec
10-08-2011, 12:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">State senator Scott Beason got an earful from fourth-generation farmers Monday -- red-state salt-of-the-Earth folk who call themselves conservative. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>In Steele, Alabama, <u>tomato farmer Leroy Smith offered Beason a bucket and asked him to experience the hard work immigrant laborers do:

Beason declined</u></span> but promised to see what could be done to help farmers while still trying to keep illegal immigrants out of Alabama.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'> Smith threw down the bucket he offered Beason and said, <u>"There, I figured it would be like that."</u>
</span>
Readers may remember Scott Beason as the man who wanted to "empty the clip" on illegal immigration and referred to black people as "aborigines." </div></div>

link (http://crooksandliars.com/matt-osborne/casting-down-bucket-alabama)

Q

Gayle in MD
10-08-2011, 09:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">State senator Scott Beason got an earful from fourth-generation farmers Monday -- red-state salt-of-the-Earth folk who call themselves conservative. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>In Steele, Alabama, <u>tomato farmer Leroy Smith offered Beason a bucket and asked him to experience the hard work immigrant laborers do:

Beason declined</u></span> but promised to see what could be done to help farmers while still trying to keep illegal immigrants out of Alabama.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'> Smith threw down the bucket he offered Beason and said, <u>"There, I figured it would be like that."</u>
</span>
Readers may remember Scott Beason as the man who wanted to "empty the clip" on illegal immigration and referred to black people as "aborigines." </div></div>

link (http://crooksandliars.com/matt-osborne/casting-down-bucket-alabama)

Q </div></div>

Here is an example of how the right doesn't get it, when it comes to economics, American jobs, and how the environemt factors into our jobs losses.

Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White HOuse roof, and tried to push this country into conservation, off foreign oil, and moving this country toward clean, renewable energy.

When Reagan took the soloar panels off the White HOuses roof, and threw them in the trash, China and Germany, took themn out of the trash can, and ran with AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY, this was just before Reagan's Amnesty ushered in the beginning of the biggest influx of Illegal Immigrants in history.

The oil companies have made the biggest profits in the history of business, and they get subsidies, insured by and large, by Republican Policies, The Grand Oil Party, who pays for the studies that say what they want them to say, as they buy our representatives, to push them through, aka Dick Cheney, AND others, etc.....and yes, the bloue Dog Dems, in those oil producing states, are just as bad...far fewer of them however, than the entire Republican policy platform, which has gro9wn since Reagan launched his assault of reasonable energy policy

Hence, Republicans deny the facts of climate change, and deny the determination of it's existance, and cause, in spite of the fact that scientists, in fact, 98% of Scientists from all over the world, are saying the same things, which the Repigs deny, so that they can protect their contributors, their energy cronies of the Grand Oil Party.

No wonder they want to do away with the EPA. They would rather see the planet under severe stress, from pollution, as well as millions of people living in coastal areas left to deal with the emergency circumstances, witout FEMA, circumstances that are already showing up from the over heated earth, than to get off their own Bull**** denials, and admit that unless we change energy policies, and stop subsidizing the propagandist Oil and Energy Industries, this earth will be unrecognizable, and in not very many decades. We are running out of time.

Reagan, took this country deep into the Illegal Alien influx. A policy which has helped to create the declinging wages of the MIddle Class.

Reagan and the Republicans, took the country away from the reasonable policies of Carter, and the science which could have made all the diference in our current back seat to China and Germany in being the technological leaders in the future of energy, and global warming solutions.

Reagan's policies, ushered in the beginning of the global advantages which other countries, like Germany, and China, have taken advantage of, all to the demise of numerous American industries which would have created jobs for American Citizens.

So waht do REpublicans make a big damn deal of??? The p9olicies, which they seem to skip over, origiinally put into action by Bush, involving a wisper of cronyism, in the Solyndra issue. LMAO! typical Republicans...distract from the big huge issue, to cover up their own policy failures.

I knew people who worked in fields as college students, back before the illegal invasion.

In the south, field work was the highway which led many African Americans, AND disadvantaged young white Americans, out of poverty, and helped them launch a road which helped them to pay for college.

As long as companies like Entrix are appointed by the EPA, to do the studies like the ones on the environmentally disastrous Trans Canada pipe line, the filthiest, dirtiest assault on our environment to come down the pike in a long time, you can watch for more cancer, more respiratory illnesses, higher health care costs, and more stress to our planet.



Republicans are taking this country down into a pit of a third world lifestyle, and hence, their attack on UNIONS and education.

Too bad most Americans don't have a clue about what is happening to the workers in China, the disastrous environmental consequences to the workers in China, the cancer hot spots, the inhumane working conditions, in short, the rep[iglican dream of prosecuting the fascist Shock Doctrine, here in our country.

While this president is trying to lift us up and away from that horrible result, of Repiglican policies, they are out there pushing the idea that American workers, who have been under economic assault prosecuted by the Republican Party, are responsible for the corruption on Wall St., and having the colossal NERVE, to make such statements as the pig mentioned in this thread, and idiot liars, like Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann, Mitt Romney, total joke, Rich Perry and yes, Ron Paul, who would do away with the EPA, the DOE, and the F & D administraion!

This is it, my friends, this is our last good opportunity to put America back in the top seat of the global economy...if there is a chance. The lies, greed, irresponsibility and deceit of Republicans is at an all time high....

Vo9te against them, or end up like an abused worker, in China, dying of cancer, and coughing through every miserable damn day...while you watch your kids, without a decent chance to live their lives in health and safety from all of the poisons which industries around this world, are creating to kill off the planet, and it's inhabitants.

A vote for Repiglicans, is a vote for CANCER....

G.

eg8r
10-08-2011, 11:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Could you see Chris Christie doing that work?
</div></div>Did you read mine? It doesn't matter. We don't need to relax our laws on illegals just because they are the only ones willing to do the work. How many times do you need to see this? I posted it, you quoted it and now here it is again.

eg8r

eg8r
10-08-2011, 11:08 PM
Good for Beason. Stick to your guns and let the farmers know you will do what you can but the law is the law.

eg8r

eg8r
10-08-2011, 11:11 PM
Well you proved you can type but then again you also proved you cannot figure out the subject matter. Earth to Gayle, Earth to Gayle, we are talking about illegal immigration and the fact that they are the ones willing to do this work.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Vo9te against them</div></div>Have I given you enough time to correct this or are you still frantically trying to hit the edit button?

eg8r

Qtec
10-09-2011, 12:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Could you see Chris Christie doing that work?
</div></div>Did you read mine? <u>It doesn't matter.</u>

eg8r </div></div>

According to the farmers, it DOES matter.

For decades now, both party's have said they would do something about illegal workers but they never do. That's because they were a cheap source of labour for the farming industry.
Now the tables have turned, they are now the only labour force that can/will do the job. The farmers need them.

Be careful what you wish for. All the illegals who are leaving the RW states with draconian immigration laws are heading for Florida.

Q

Gayle in MD
10-09-2011, 06:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Could you see Chris Christie doing that work?
</div></div>Did you read mine? <u>It doesn't matter.</u>

eg8r </div></div>

According to the farmers, it DOES matter.

For decades now, both party's have said they would do something about illegal workers but they never do. That's because they were a cheap source of labour for the farming industry.
Now the tables have turned, they are now the only labour force that can/will do the job. The farmers need them.

Be careful what you wish for. All the illegals who are leaving the RW states with draconian immigration laws are heading for Florida.

Q </div></div>


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I read that.


ever notice that the great GODKING of the right, RR, is never mentioned when the right is attacking the problems associated with having so many illegals....

The economic repurcussions of Ronald REagan, have been truly devastating...

All of Reagans Economic and Domestic theories were proven wrong, his so called foreign successes, were nothing but mythology, and/or Treason, and yet the anachronistic Repiglicans are still out there pushing the same old failed policies, that Bush pushed.

Unbelievable...

G.

eg8r
10-09-2011, 02:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to the farmers, it DOES matter.
</div></div>I don't really care. Llotter believes it is OK for people to murder abortion doctors but that doesn't mean we need to relax the law because of it. Your defense of this is getting dumber and dumber.

eg8r