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Sev
10-09-2011, 08:39 PM
American and Mexican citizens are dead because of this botched operation that most likely was designed to cause the enactment of stronger gun control legislation.

Holder is going to be doing a lot of squirming and as this continues to grow legs Obama is going to be losing sleep.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/09/politics/fast-and-furious/

Washington (CNN) -- House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said Sunday that he could issue subpoenas to the Justice Department this week in connection to a now-discredited federal gunrunning operation.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Issa said that he wants a better understanding of who knew what, when about Operation Fast and Furious.

"But more importantly, we have to understand at what level did the authorization really come?" he said.

"People at the top of (the) Justice (Department) were well briefed, knew about it and seemed to be the command and control and funding for this program."

The operation involved agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowing illegal sales of guns believed to be destined for Mexican drug cartels to "walk" from Phoenix, Arizona, gun stores into Mexico.
GOP calls for attorney general probe

The idea was to track the sellers and purchasers of guns to Mexican cartels, but the program became mired in controversy after weapons found at Mexican and American murder scenes were traced back to the program. Mexican officials and critics in the United States called the program a failure, saying it exacerbated the longstanding problem of U.S. weapons getting into the hands of the violent Mexican cartels.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder testified before the Judiciary Committee in May that he had known about the Fast and Furious program for just a few weeks.

He responded angrily Friday to Republican critics of his handling of the controversial operation, charging them with using "irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric."

"I simply cannot sit idly by as a (Republican) member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered 'accessories to murder,'" Holder said in a letter to members of Congress.

"Such irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms," he said.

The bitter debate followed the release last week of Justice Department documents on Capitol Hill that prompted Republican critics to charge Holder knew about the now-discredited gun operation before he previously claimed.

Holder insisted, as his Justice Department aides have for several days, that he was not inconsistent in his testimony.

At the committee's May 3 hearing, Issa, R-California, raised the subject of the program with Holder.

"When did you first know about the program, officially, I believe, called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge, what date?" Issa asked.

"I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Operation Fast and Furious for the first time over the past few weeks," Holder testified.

On Sunday, Issa told "Fox News Sunday" that the Judiciary Committee has invited Holder to "come and clear the record."

"Clearly, he knew when he said he didn't know. Now the question is what did he know and how is he going to explain why he gave that answer," said Issa.

LWW
10-10-2011, 03:32 AM
The dembots in congress will, again, block justice.

Gayle in MD
10-10-2011, 09:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">American and Mexican citizens are dead because of this botched operation that most likely was designed to cause the enactment of stronger gun control legislation.

Holder is going to be doing a lot of squirming and as this continues to grow legs Obama is going to be losing sleep.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/09/politics/fast-and-furious/

Washington (CNN) -- House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said Sunday that he could issue subpoenas to the Justice Department this week in connection to a now-discredited federal gunrunning operation.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Issa said that he wants a better understanding of who knew what, when about Operation Fast and Furious.

"But more importantly, we have to understand at what level did the authorization really come?" he said.

"People at the top of (the) Justice (Department) were well briefed, knew about it and seemed to be the command and control and funding for this program."

The operation involved agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowing illegal sales of guns believed to be destined for Mexican drug cartels to "walk" from Phoenix, Arizona, gun stores into Mexico.
GOP calls for attorney general probe

The idea was to track the sellers and purchasers of guns to Mexican cartels, but the program became mired in controversy after weapons found at Mexican and American murder scenes were traced back to the program. Mexican officials and critics in the United States called the program a failure, saying it exacerbated the longstanding problem of U.S. weapons getting into the hands of the violent Mexican cartels.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder testified before the Judiciary Committee in May that he had known about the Fast and Furious program for just a few weeks.

He responded angrily Friday to Republican critics of his handling of the controversial operation, charging them with using "irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric."

"I simply cannot sit idly by as a (Republican) member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered 'accessories to murder,'" Holder said in a letter to members of Congress.

"Such irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms," he said.

The bitter debate followed the release last week of Justice Department documents on Capitol Hill that prompted Republican critics to charge Holder knew about the now-discredited gun operation before he previously claimed.

Holder insisted, as his Justice Department aides have for several days, that he was not inconsistent in his testimony.

At the committee's May 3 hearing, Issa, R-California, raised the subject of the program with Holder.

"When did you first know about the program, officially, I believe, called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge, what date?" Issa asked.

"I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Operation Fast and Furious for the first time over the past few weeks," Holder testified.

On Sunday, Issa told "Fox News Sunday" that the Judiciary Committee has invited Holder to "come and clear the record."

"Clearly, he knew when he said he didn't know. Now the question is what did he know and how is he going to explain why he gave that answer," said Issa. </div></div>


My prediction....

This is going to go nowhere.

It's just the usual Republican tactic, distract from the fact that they are doing nothing, to create Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, while they are blocking everything they can block, for political gain, and at the detriment of the country.

There is a reason why Republicans have the lowest approval rates in the polls.

Obama's are higher, and Democratics, are higher...

G.

eg8r
10-10-2011, 09:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My prediction....

This is going to go nowhere.
</div></div>Just like the no-real-issue secretary.


eg8r

LWW
10-10-2011, 09:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The dembots in congress will, again, block justice. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My prediction....

This is going to go nowhere.

G. </div></div>

See ... we agree.

Soflasnapper
10-10-2011, 05:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The dembots in congress will, again, block justice. </div></div>

What justice will they be blocking, and how will they do it?

Do you understand how the House works? How total is the control of the majority? Do you understand how complete the power of the chairman of a committee is over his proceedings, what he chooses to look at, what subpoenas to issue (which no one else can block)?

There is no institutional way for Democrats in the House to do ANYTHING to block Issa. Chairman Issa will follow this as far as he wants, and nothing and nobody can stand in his way (in Congress).

But out of curiosity, how do you think they'd accomplish this impossible feat?

Soflasnapper
10-10-2011, 05:23 PM
Subpoenas SHOULD be issued in this matter.

Serious questions have been raised, and need more reliable answers than merely accepting the word of a man accused, that he didn't do it (whatever that is, in this case).

It's an issue crying out for Congressional oversight, and luckily now, that the president isn't a Republican, and the opposition party doesn't mind appearing to go after him and his subordinates, FINALLY this gun-walking can be looked into.

The ORIGINAL gun-walking scandal did not receive the attention and scrutiny it deserved, either or both because its evidence developed during GOP control of the Congress, and/or that Congressional Democrats are too afraid of their own shadows (or anthrax mailings, small plane crashes, and assorted blackmail matters) to actually much investigate a POTUS like unto the last one.

ugotda7
10-10-2011, 06:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Subpoenas SHOULD be issued in this matter.

Serious questions have been raised, and need more reliable answers than merely accepting the word of a man accused, that he didn't do it (whatever that is, in this case).

It's an issue crying out for Congressional oversight, and luckily now, that the president isn't a Republican, and the opposition party doesn't mind appearing to go after him and his subordinates, FINALLY this gun-walking can be looked into.

The ORIGINAL gun-walking scandal did not receive the attention and scrutiny it deserved, either or both because its evidence developed during GOP control of the Congress, and/or that Congressional Democrats are too afraid of their own shadows (or anthrax mailings, small plane crashes, and assorted blackmail matters) to actually much investigate a POTUS like unto the last one. </div></div>

The original was not a scandal because it wasn't a fiasco like this scandal is.

Sev
10-10-2011, 07:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">American and Mexican citizens are dead because of this botched operation that most likely was designed to cause the enactment of stronger gun control legislation.

Holder is going to be doing a lot of squirming and as this continues to grow legs Obama is going to be losing sleep.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/09/politics/fast-and-furious/

Washington (CNN) -- House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said Sunday that he could issue subpoenas to the Justice Department this week in connection to a now-discredited federal gunrunning operation.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Issa said that he wants a better understanding of who knew what, when about Operation Fast and Furious.

"But more importantly, we have to understand at what level did the authorization really come?" he said.

"People at the top of (the) Justice (Department) were well briefed, knew about it and seemed to be the command and control and funding for this program."

The operation involved agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowing illegal sales of guns believed to be destined for Mexican drug cartels to "walk" from Phoenix, Arizona, gun stores into Mexico.
GOP calls for attorney general probe

The idea was to track the sellers and purchasers of guns to Mexican cartels, but the program became mired in controversy after weapons found at Mexican and American murder scenes were traced back to the program. Mexican officials and critics in the United States called the program a failure, saying it exacerbated the longstanding problem of U.S. weapons getting into the hands of the violent Mexican cartels.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder testified before the Judiciary Committee in May that he had known about the Fast and Furious program for just a few weeks.

He responded angrily Friday to Republican critics of his handling of the controversial operation, charging them with using "irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric."

"I simply cannot sit idly by as a (Republican) member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered 'accessories to murder,'" Holder said in a letter to members of Congress.

"Such irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms," he said.

The bitter debate followed the release last week of Justice Department documents on Capitol Hill that prompted Republican critics to charge Holder knew about the now-discredited gun operation before he previously claimed.

Holder insisted, as his Justice Department aides have for several days, that he was not inconsistent in his testimony.

At the committee's May 3 hearing, Issa, R-California, raised the subject of the program with Holder.

"When did you first know about the program, officially, I believe, called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge, what date?" Issa asked.

"I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Operation Fast and Furious for the first time over the past few weeks," Holder testified.

On Sunday, Issa told "Fox News Sunday" that the Judiciary Committee has invited Holder to "come and clear the record."

"Clearly, he knew when he said he didn't know. Now the question is what did he know and how is he going to explain why he gave that answer," said Issa. </div></div>


My prediction....

This is going to go nowhere.

It's just the usual Republican tactic, distract from the fact that they are doing nothing, to create Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, while they are blocking everything they can block, for political gain, and at the detriment of the country.

There is a reason why Republicans have the lowest approval rates in the polls.

Obama's are higher, and Democratics, are higher...

G. </div></div>

The botched policy lead to the death of a border agent and unknown numbers of Mexicans.

While the republicans my have Obama and Holder in their sights the fact of the matter is the dead deserve justice.

ugotda7
10-10-2011, 09:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">American and Mexican citizens are dead because of this botched operation that most likely was designed to cause the enactment of stronger gun control legislation.

Holder is going to be doing a lot of squirming and as this continues to grow legs Obama is going to be losing sleep.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/09/politics/fast-and-furious/

Washington (CNN) -- House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa said Sunday that he could issue subpoenas to the Justice Department this week in connection to a now-discredited federal gunrunning operation.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Issa said that he wants a better understanding of who knew what, when about Operation Fast and Furious.

"But more importantly, we have to understand at what level did the authorization really come?" he said.

"People at the top of (the) Justice (Department) were well briefed, knew about it and seemed to be the command and control and funding for this program."

The operation involved agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowing illegal sales of guns believed to be destined for Mexican drug cartels to "walk" from Phoenix, Arizona, gun stores into Mexico.
GOP calls for attorney general probe

The idea was to track the sellers and purchasers of guns to Mexican cartels, but the program became mired in controversy after weapons found at Mexican and American murder scenes were traced back to the program. Mexican officials and critics in the United States called the program a failure, saying it exacerbated the longstanding problem of U.S. weapons getting into the hands of the violent Mexican cartels.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder testified before the Judiciary Committee in May that he had known about the Fast and Furious program for just a few weeks.

He responded angrily Friday to Republican critics of his handling of the controversial operation, charging them with using "irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric."

"I simply cannot sit idly by as a (Republican) member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered 'accessories to murder,'" Holder said in a letter to members of Congress.

"Such irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms," he said.

The bitter debate followed the release last week of Justice Department documents on Capitol Hill that prompted Republican critics to charge Holder knew about the now-discredited gun operation before he previously claimed.

Holder insisted, as his Justice Department aides have for several days, that he was not inconsistent in his testimony.

At the committee's May 3 hearing, Issa, R-California, raised the subject of the program with Holder.

"When did you first know about the program, officially, I believe, called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge, what date?" Issa asked.

"I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Operation Fast and Furious for the first time over the past few weeks," Holder testified.

On Sunday, Issa told "Fox News Sunday" that the Judiciary Committee has invited Holder to "come and clear the record."

"Clearly, he knew when he said he didn't know. Now the question is what did he know and how is he going to explain why he gave that answer," said Issa. </div></div>


My prediction....

This is going to go nowhere.

It's just the usual Republican tactic, distract from the fact that they are doing nothing, to create Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, while they are blocking everything they can block, for political gain, and at the detriment of the country.

There is a reason why Republicans have the lowest approval rates in the polls.

Obama's are higher, and Democratics, are higher...

G. </div></div>

Do you think Brian Terry's family and the others most likely killed with the guns that Holder and crew provided to Mexican cartels think it's a distraction?

You're pathetic.

Soflasnapper
10-11-2011, 09:03 AM
Despite that several persons were prosecuted and convicted in that earlier one? Really?

Qtec
10-12-2011, 03:54 AM
This whole thing is typical political grandstanding by the scum called the Republican Party.
As if the Mexican cartels are short on weapons!!!!!!!! 3,000 guns are a drop in the ocean. If you have seen the viral vids, mostly they don't shoot their victims! Its much more brutal.

3,000 weapons gone missing, oh my!

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By Glenn Kessler
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Monday, August 6, 2007

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The Pentagon has lost track of about <span style='font-size: 17pt'>190,000</span> AK-47 assault rifles and pistols</span> given to Iraqi security forces in 2004 and 2005, according to a new government report, raising fears that some of those weapons have fallen into the hands of insurgents fighting U.S. forces in Iraq. </div></div>

Remember the uproar about that?

They say they lost $500,000 because of this botched operation...


Mmmmmmmmmmm...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Wednesday - 8/3/2011, 10:42am ET
Rachel Stevens
Federal News Radio

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The Defense Department is unable to account for $8.7 billion of the $9.1 billion in Development Fund for Iraq monies in received for reconstruction in Iraq.</span> This according to a study published today by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction. </div></div>

Tip of the iceberg.



Excuse me for not taking these people seriously. This 'outrage' is the same as usual, false. Its just more attack Obama with anything crap.

Q

eg8r
10-12-2011, 08:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This whole thing is typical political grandstanding by the scum called the Republican Party.
As if the Mexican cartels are short on weapons!!!!!!!! </div></div>Typical idiot response by qtip the google wonder. We a thread about illegal guns being given to criminals and qtip the google wonder says, who cares they already have guns. You really are a schmuck.

eg8r

LWW
10-12-2011, 10:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This whole thing is typical political grandstanding by the scum called the Republican Party.
As if the Mexican cartels are short on weapons!!!!!!!! </div></div>Typical idiot response by qtip the google wonder. We a thread about illegal guns being given to criminals and qtip the google wonder says, who cares they already have guns. You really are a schmuck.

eg8r </div></div>

He is merely slavishly defending his master, dear leader, as any decent pit poodle would do.