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Qtec
10-21-2011, 05:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum recently pledged to <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"die on that hill"</span> fighting against same-sex marriage, and made a similar vow<span style='font-size: 17pt'> to repeal all federal funding for contraception because it is "a license to do things in a sexual realm."</span>

Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania, made the claims during an interview with CaffeinatedThoughts.com editor Shane Vander Hart, according to Think Progress. He declared that no other president had previously discussed "the dangers of contraception" and said that "sex is supposed to be within marriage" and "special."</div></div>


At least he is consistent, not like Mitt, Rick and Herman.

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eg8r
10-21-2011, 07:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to repeal all federal funding for contraception because it is "a license to do things in a sexual realm."</div></div>I like this. Instead of the parents actually parenting, they are telling their kids to do what they want and the government will do their best to keep them safe. Go have sex, we are unwilling to train you the right way, to care enough about you to teach you the right things. Instead, just go out and have sex and hopefully the taxpayer funded condom will work. If not, don't worry about that either, you can just kill the baby.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
10-24-2011, 02:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum recently pledged to <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"die on that hill"</span> fighting against same-sex marriage, and made a similar vow<span style='font-size: 17pt'> to repeal all federal funding for contraception because it is "a license to do things in a sexual realm."</span>

Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania, made the claims during an interview with CaffeinatedThoughts.com editor Shane Vander Hart, according to Think Progress. He declared that no other president had previously discussed "the dangers of contraception" and said that "sex is supposed to be within marriage" and "special."</div></div>


At least he is consistent, not like Mitt, Rick and Herman.

Q </div></div>

I wonder why Repiglicans are so F-ed up when it comes to sex, sexual preferences and women's rights?

Is it a piggy thing, or is it just more unrealistic, costly fall out from the idiotic religious nutjobs?

G.

Qtec
10-24-2011, 03:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of the parents actually parenting, </div></div>

Like Palin ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> just go out and have sex and hopefully the <u>taxpayer funded condom </u>will work.</div></div>

You are absolutely clueless.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>Abstinence-only sex education has totally failed the nation's teens
</span>
Programs mandated to teach only "the social, psychological and health gains (of) abstaining from sexual activity" have been awarded failing grades for truth and effectiveness. The programs that work best combine honest information about sexuality, including contraception.

By Ellen Goodman

Syndicated Columnist

BOSTON — I hate to bring this up right now when the ink is barely dry on your New Year's resolution. But if history is any guide, you are likely to fall off the assorted wagons to which you are currently lashed.

I don't say this to disparage your willpower. Hang onto that celery stick for dear life. And even if you stop doing those stomach crunches and start sneaking out for a smoke, at least you can comfort yourself with fond memories of your moment of resolution.

Compare that to the statistic in the newest research about teens who pledge abstinence. The majority not only break the pledge, they forget they ever made it.

This study of teens and pledges comes from Johns Hopkins researcher Janet Rosenbaum, who took a rigorous look at nearly 1,000 students. She compared teens who took a pledge of abstinence with teens of similar backgrounds and beliefs who didn't. She found absolutely no difference in their sexual behavior, or the age at which they began having sex, or the number of their partners.

In fact, the only difference was that the group that promised to remain abstinent was significantly less likely to use birth control, especially condoms, when they did have sex. The lesson many students seemed to retain from their abstinence-only program was a negative and inaccurate view of contraception. </div></div>


'Don't have sex' is a great idea????????

[ bit like saying disband the Police force because we are going to teach every one not to break the law.!!!!!]

..back to reality....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The sorry part is that sex education got caught in the culture wars. It has been framed, says Bill Albert of The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, as a battle between "those who wanted virginity pledges and those who wanted to hand out condoms to 14-year-olds."

Meanwhile, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>six in 10 teens have sex before they leave high school and 730,000 teenage girls will get pregnant this year.</span> We see them everywhere from "Juno" to Juneau — or to be more accurate, Anchorage, <span style='font-size: 23pt'>where Sarah Palin, advocate of abstinence-only education, just became an unplanned grandparent.</span> </div></div>

Bazinga.

America's most religious RW Christian nutjob, SP, with all her persuasive powers couldn't stop her daughter from having sex, the most natural human instinct.

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eg8r
10-24-2011, 07:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are absolutely clueless.
</div></div>You only wish. I am dead on. You want to change the subject because you know it. I say parents don't want to actually do their job of parenting, and you become the partisan hack that you strive to be in mentioning Palin. Then I say they hope the taxpayer funded condom will work. This is exactly what happens but you don't like the bluntness of my honesty so you try to change the subject to something that you think doesn't work. The fact is whether you teach abstinence or hand out condoms, teens are still getting pregnant. Don't ignore the fact that your preferred method is failing by trying to point out other methods have also failed. It shows how little you actually know when you start jumping around like that.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Meanwhile, six in 10 teens have sex before they leave high school and 730,000 teenage girls will get pregnant this year.</div></div>You are too stupid to understand that all you are doing is making my point for me. 6/10 are having sex and 730,000 are getting pregnant. Sounds like a whole lot of parents that are failing at their job. The reason they are failing is because most of them have your same "out", they tell their kids, "use your condom little johnny, and little jane, if that doesn't work you can always kill the baby when you get pregnant, you two just go have fun and don't get into trouble."

eg8r

Qtec
10-24-2011, 11:54 AM
This is you running for POTUS.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> EGOR,

I've solved the drug problem.........don't take drugs.

I've solved the crime problem...don't break the law.

I've solved the abortion problem...don't have sex before marriage. </div></div>

Brilliant.?????????? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

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Qtec
10-24-2011, 11:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like a whole lot of parents that are failing at their job. </div></div>

LIKE PALIN????????????????????


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eg8r
10-24-2011, 01:29 PM
Yep, just like her. I like that they appear to be learning from their mistakes and are out trying to show the young teenage girls where they went wrong and showing them a better way. They could be foolish like you and hide hoping no one looks at their failures.

Seriously qtip, why don't you shut up and let the adults talk.

eg8r

Qtec
10-25-2011, 04:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, just like her. I like that they appear to be learning from their mistakes and are out trying to show the young teenage girls where they went wrong and showing them a better way. They could be foolish like you and hide hoping no one looks at their failures.

Seriously qtip, why don't you shut up and let the adults talk.

eg8r </div></div>Did you miss this or just ignore it because it doesn't fit in with your beliefs?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Abstinence-only sex education has totally failed the nation's teens </div></div>

Its a fact.

Q

Qtec
10-25-2011, 04:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, just like her. I like that they appear to be learning from their mistakes and are out trying to show the young teenage girls where they went wrong and showing them a better way. </div></div>

Utter BS, They are just cashing in, both of them.

I quite like Bristol actually, its her mother I can't stand.

Q....

eg8r
10-25-2011, 08:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you miss this or just ignore it because it doesn't fit in with your beliefs?</div></div>So have condoms and safe sex classes you idiot. The difference is that my path of choice is ALWAYS 100% EFFECTIVE WHEN PRACTICED! Your choice will never give that gaurantee.

The abstinence as a method has never failed, condoms do every single day. It is not the method that is a failure it is the training being provided and the child's willingness to heed good advice. Again your method will always be the chosen one because it does not require any hard choices. If the condom fails you will let your daughter kill the baby.

eg8r

eg8r
10-25-2011, 08:40 PM
Were you not in effect "cashing in" working illegally in that casino skating by tax free? Isn't anyone with a job "cashing in"? Don't let your jealousy be the driver in your life.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
10-25-2011, 09:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, just like her. I like that they appear to be learning from their mistakes and are out trying to show the young teenage girls where they went wrong and showing them a better way. </div></div>

Utter BS, They are just cashing in, both of them.

I quite like Bristol actually, its her mother I can't stand.

Q.... </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like that they appear to be learning from their mistakes and are out trying to show the young teenage <span style='font-size: 14pt'>girls</span> where they went wrong </div></div>

Ha ha ha...just like a misogynist, huh? It's the <span style='font-size: 14pt'>GIRLS</span>, who went wrong.

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eg8r
10-25-2011, 09:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ha ha ha...just like a misogynist, huh? It's the GIRLS, who went wrong.</div></div>LOL, just like the board troll looking for an argument. I don't remember seeing too many boys in the audience when Bristol was speaking, but I am sure granny gaylio knows what she is talking about. It isn't the boys she refers to when heading to the doctor to murder their baby.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
10-26-2011, 04:21 PM
Why not go all the way and make contraception ILLEGAL?

Like it used to be in <s>Massachusetts</s> Connecticut (of course), under the political influence of the HRCC?

Surely a little matter like the SCOTUS Griswold decision shouldn't stop a determined cultural warrior like little Rickie?

Qtec
10-27-2011, 01:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not go all the way and make contraception ILLEGAL? </div></div>

That's exactly what they want.

Proof.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">eg8r:

<u>I like this.</u> Instead of the parents actually parenting, they are telling their kids to do what they want and the government will do their best to keep them safe. Go have sex, we are unwilling to train you the right way, to care enough about you to teach you the right things. Instead, just go out and have sex and hopefully the taxpayer funded condom will work. If not, don't worry about that either, you can just kill the baby.

eg8r </div></div>

They have abandoned trying to overturn R v W so they are doing what they can to make it as difficult as possible for a woman/girl to have an abortion.

Cain, "I believe life begins at conception."

A very slippery slope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In September, Mississippi’s Supreme Court ruled that a ballot initiative to amend the state’s constitution to define embryos as persons could go forward in November. Since then, Dr. Randall Hines, one of four physicians in the state who perform in vitro fertilization, has been fielding panicked calls from women with fertility problems. “We have patients calling us who are extremely anxious,” he says. “If they are contemplating IVF, they’re asking, ‘Do I need to go ahead and do it right now, before this becomes law?’”

“I try to reassure people, to calm them down and tell them we’re going to do everything we can to ensure that this doesn’t pass,” says Hines. Still, he allows that for some women, getting started on IVF treatments before Mississippi voters decide on Amendment 26 “wouldn’t be a bad idea.” The so-called Personhood Amendment won’t outlaw all IVF, but it could drastically change how it’s practiced, making it less effective and more dangerous. “It’s certainly possible that certain IVF practices would become illegal,” says Hines. “It could alter the way an individual patient and physician would interact. <u>Quite honestly nobody knows what would happen, because this is uncharted territory</u>.”
</div></div>

First, they decide that GE is a person.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Corporations are people, my friend"..says Mitt Romney. </div></div>

Now something you can't see with the naked eye is a person!

Q

Gayle in MD
10-27-2011, 07:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not go all the way and make contraception ILLEGAL? </div></div>

That's exactly what they want.

Proof.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">eg8r:

<u>I like this.</u> Instead of the parents actually parenting, they are telling their kids to do what they want and the government will do their best to keep them safe. Go have sex, we are unwilling to train you the right way, to care enough about you to teach you the right things. Instead, just go out and have sex and hopefully the taxpayer funded condom will work. If not, don't worry about that either, you can just kill the baby.

eg8r </div></div>


<span style="color: #000099">This quote from Eg., above, is proof of how twisted his thinking is.

Eg., himself, uses birth control which aborts fertilized fetuses.

Did he wait until marriage to have sex? NO. Did he use birth control that aborts fetuses? Yes. But anyone else who does the same thing that he did, is a murderer. Soooooo hypocritical.

Eg calls me a murderer? I have never had a abortion, hence, Eg, thinks that what you believe, is equal to an ACT. How dumb is that?

The religious right always gets mired down in their deep desire to demonize others, judge others, dictate to others, even regarding personal life decisions which are truly none of the politicians, courts, religious rights, or Repiglicans damned business, as they eagerly wear their hypocritical. pompus and arrogant crown of superiority, which they think they can do, all because of their illogical religious bull****.

Is this what Jesus taught? NO!
No one is FOR abortions. Some people know their place in the world, while others, like Eg., think themselves the dictator for all others, the slanderer, against all those whose views differ from their own, and think that they know what is best for all others in the world....all of it according to their absurd religious views about life, which is irrational, and despicable, in so manny, many ways.....

If you could just take teens to church, tell them not to have sex, and they would ignore their raging hormones, and do as you say as their parent, the world wouldn't be so overpopulated that it is eating itself alive.

Eg's solutions are about as sensible as Nancy (phony) Reagan's, "Just say no" solution for keeping kids from experiencing with drugs....no intellectual appreciation for addressing life as it is, no understanding of human nature, as it is, and understanding that teaching, as a parent, from realism, instead of by using guilt, and a boatload of religious BS, which has absolutely nothing to do with the actual world that our kids live in today, is pure insanity....teaching kids how to think, not what to think...is the mission of a parent, not beating them down into guilt ridden parrots, as these religious righties unrealistically believe can work, which, obviously, it does not.

But then, nothing that the right subscribes to, is ever a workable solution, or we wouldn't be in this mess, after years ot suffering throught their ridiculous trickle down BS...hey Eg., sotp calling others murderers, who have never used the birth coontrol that you have used, which does abort fertilized fetuses....stop being a total hypocrite! Stop calling others, muderers, because they simply do not presume to dictate to all others, what they may and may not do with their own bodies. IOW.... STOP being a colossal hypocrite!!!!</span>



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They have abandoned trying to overturn R v W so they are doing what they can to make it as difficult as possible for a woman/girl to have an abortion.

Cain, "I believe life begins at conception."

A very slippery slope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In September, Mississippi’s Supreme Court ruled that a ballot initiative to amend the state’s constitution to define embryos as persons could go forward in November. Since then, Dr. Randall Hines, one of four physicians in the state who perform in vitro fertilization, has been fielding panicked calls from women with fertility problems. “We have patients calling us who are extremely anxious,” he says. “If they are contemplating IVF, they’re asking, ‘Do I need to go ahead and do it right now, before this becomes law?’”

“I try to reassure people, to calm them down and tell them we’re going to do everything we can to ensure that this doesn’t pass,” says Hines. Still, he allows that for some women, getting started on IVF treatments before Mississippi voters decide on Amendment 26 “wouldn’t be a bad idea.” The so-called Personhood Amendment won’t outlaw all IVF, but it could drastically change how it’s practiced, making it less effective and more dangerous. “It’s certainly possible that certain IVF practices would become illegal,” says Hines. “It could alter the way an individual patient and physician would interact. <u>Quite honestly nobody knows what would happen, because this is uncharted territory</u>.”
</div></div>

First, they decide that GE is a person.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Corporations are people, my friend"..says Mitt Romney. </div></div>

Now something you can't see with the naked eye is a person!

Q </div></div>


<span style="color: #000099"> Yes, and what can we expect from ignorant people who do not know HOW to think, let alone WHAT to think.

Repiglicans are truly outragous! The religious right in this country is a bunch of radical automatons, without conscience!

G. </span>

eg8r
10-27-2011, 09:48 AM
Wow, you have done your best to twist reality into something very far fetched. Who has ever advocated to make contraceptives illegal?

eg8r

eg8r
10-27-2011, 09:51 AM
LOL, here goes gaylio in another rant where she proves she still doesn't understand the cause and effect of contraceptives.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eg calls me a murderer?</div></div>Look we both know your memory is failing and at your age it is expected but if you could please spare a few minutes and find where I called you a murderer I will apologize. I have said you are pro-baby-murder though.

I am not going to finish reading due to the fact that you have already started off your rant with lies. Who in their right mind think you would stop there.

eg8r

Qtec
10-28-2011, 01:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Who has ever advocated to make contraceptives illegal?

eg8r </div></div>

Now that you mention it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If this ballot initiative in Mississippi passes, it will make a woman a criminal in the eyes of the law if she exercises her right to control whether she becomes pregnant — not just whether she will have access to abortion services.

Ballot Measure 26, which has the blessing of luminaries like Mike Huckabee and Brett Favre’s wife Deanna, is outrageous:

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>“[H]uman life would begin not at birth but at the moment of fertilization. If the amendment passes, it will outlaw abortion in the state entirely, even in cases of rape or incest. It might even leave some forms of contraception, and procedures such as in vitro fertilization, on life support.</span>

<u>Yes and the desired interpretation,</u> led by the homo-hating, womb-controlling American Family Association and zygote Personhood movement advocate Les Riley, a former candidate for agriculture commissioner, and chair of the state Constitution Party <u>is jaw-dropping.</u>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Mississippi anti-abortion activists wants to define personhood as starting when a sperm fertilizes an egg. In that case, it would likely make intrauterine devices (IUDs), which can prevent pregnancy by blocking the implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus, illegal.</span> (IUDs can also prevent sperm from fertilizing the egg in the first place, and IUDs with hormones also operate much like regular old birth control pills, but that doesn’t seem to matter to anti-abortion activists.).

…<u>But the law could also introduce the possibility of banning any form of hormonal birth control.</u> Generally, “the pill” (as well as the shot, the patch, and the ring) work by stopping ovulation. But some anti-abortion groups argue that there can be failures on that front, and the doses of hormone could possibly also work by stopping implantation should an egg and sperm still manage to meet up.

Bottom line: all sex that involves the potential creation of a citizen fetus is under attack. Irin Carmon at Salon:

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>If this initiative passes, and fertilized eggs on their own have full legal rights, anything that could potentially block that implantation—something a woman’s body does naturally all the time—could be considered murder.</span> Scientists say hormonal birth-control pills and the morning-after pill work primarily by preventing fertilization in the first place, but the outside possibility, never documented, that an egg could be fertilized anyway and blocked is enough for some pro-lifers. Indeed, at least one pro-Personhood doctor in Mississippi, Beverly McMillan, refused to prescribe the pill before retiring last year, writing, “I painfully agree that birth control pills do in fact cause abortions.” </div></div>

crazy but true (http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2011/10/27/mississippi-womb-controllers-kiss-your-birth-control-goodbye-as-personhood-amendment-vote-looms/)

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eg8r
10-28-2011, 08:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If this initiative passes, and fertilized eggs on their own have full legal rights, anything that could potentially block that implantation—something a woman’s body does naturally all the time—could be considered murder. </div></div>Interesting. I personally don't consider a simple fertilized egg a baby so I am interested in seeing where this goes. My guess is that it won't go very far. I am surprised to see such an aggressive approach considering the fact that parents do not like the responsiblity of training their children correctly.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
10-28-2011, 11:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, you have done your best to twist reality into something very far fetched. Who has ever advocated to make contraceptives illegal?

eg8r </div></div>

The Roman Catholic Church did that. Under their influence, it WAS illegal in Connecticut, until the Griswold case I referenced overturned that law.

And as has been explained here already, if the baby's human life begins at FERTILIZATION, then any birth control that prevents the implantation of the zygote is causing the murder of a human being. This would include the use of birth control pills, the use of an IUD, the 'morning-after' medications, and others.

So it's a live issue once again, as people ARE calling for that definition of fully human life.

Gayle in MD
10-30-2011, 06:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum recently pledged to <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"die on that hill"</span> fighting against same-sex marriage, and made a similar vow<span style='font-size: 17pt'> to repeal all federal funding for contraception because it is "a license to do things in a sexual realm."</span>

Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania, made the claims during an interview with CaffeinatedThoughts.com editor Shane Vander Hart, according to Think Progress. He declared that no other president had previously discussed "the dangers of contraception" and said that "sex is supposed to be within marriage" and "special."</div></div>


At least he is consistent, not like Mitt, Rick and Herman.

Q </div></div>

Maybe more consistatn, but just as repulsive and wrong headed.

I'd say he's consistantly ignorant, irrational and archaic.

Another misogynistic Repig, who seeks to dictate to, demonize and obstruct the constitutional rights of women and other groups in our country.

G.