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llotter
11-03-2011, 07:46 AM
They had a fundamental disagreement.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
-- Winston Churchill

Gayle in MD
11-03-2011, 08:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The had a fundamental disagreement.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
-- Winston Churchill


I agree with Chruchill. I'm glad that socialism is not happening here in our country. Our threat isn't Socialism, it's RW Fascism, promoted by our own RW Radical Supreme Court, some of whom, Scalia and Thomas, have also been bought by the likes of Koch Brothers.....

Too bad that so many people on the right are so ignorant that they buy into the buzz words of Republicans, which they use in order to scare their unwitting ignorant sheep, for political purposes.

G.









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Soflasnapper
11-03-2011, 11:19 AM
Cute, but not especially factual.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The original U.K. Telegraph article detailing the return of the statue made clear that the British embassy said it had only been "uniquely lent to a foreign head of state, President George W Bush," not given in perpetuity to the U.S. government:

A British Embassy spokesman said: "The bust of Sir Winston Churchill by Sir Jacob Epstein was uniquely lent to a foreign head of state, President George W Bush, from the Government Art Collection in the wake of 9/11 as a signal of the strong transatlantic relationship.

"It was lent for the first term of office of President Bush. When the President was elected for his second and final term, the loan was extended until January 2009.

"The new President has decided not to continue this loan and the bust has now been returned. It is on display at the Ambassador's Residence."

Likewise, the White House has stated that the Churchill bust had been scheduled for return to Great Britain prior to Obama's presidency:

Some Britons took offense when Winston Churchill's bust was replaced with King's. But the decision to return the Churchill bust to the British - it had been presented by former Prime Minister Tony Blair to Bush on loan - had been made before Obama even arrived.

"It was already scheduled to go back," [White House curator William] Allman said.
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Soflasnapper
11-03-2011, 11:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The had a fundamental disagreement.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
-- Winston Churchill</div></div>

Sadly for this theory, there is this fact:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Friday, Aug 14, 2009 5:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Winston Churchill was a Bolshevik
Guess who helped launch socialized healthcare in the U.K.? The ultimate conservative icon -- and he was proud of it</span></div></div>

Link (http://www.salon.com/2009/08/14/healthcare_28/)

llotter
11-03-2011, 01:01 PM
When comparing Fascism with Socialism, there isn't a dimes worth of difference in the real world. They each emphasize a powerful state in control of the economy and therefore in control of the citizens lives.

The best alternative is capitalism where the individual citizens are supposed to in charge of their own lives. This was quite an innovation in world history and is what made America the leader of the world and the richest.

Conservatives are trying to get our government back within its constitutional limits and get back on the freedom trail.

llotter
11-03-2011, 01:13 PM
The fact the Joe Conason says it does not make it a fact... more likely just the opposite. And to say that Churchill was a Bolshevik gives evidence that Conason easily distorts history to make his story sound reasonable.

Furthermore, you should know better than to use such a pathetic creature to support your position. And you should not partake in the process of deconstructing our noble heritage and history.

Gayle in MD
11-03-2011, 01:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When comparing Fascism with Socialism, there isn't a dimes worth of difference in the real world. They each emphasize a powerful state in control of the economy and therefore in control of the citizens lives.

The best alternative is capitalism where the individual citizens are supposed to in charge of their own lives. This was quite an innovation in world history and is what made America the leader of the world and the richest.

Conservatives are trying to get our government back within its constitutional limits and get back on the freedom trail. </div></div>

Conservatives have ushered in Fascism. If you think we have capitalism going on in this country, you're nuts.

We wouldn't have the vast disparity in wealth, if this was a truly free marketplace, based on real capitalism.

Republicans are actually worsening the situation, as their policies have cfreated much of the disparity, and that disparity, is the crux of our unemploymennt problems.

We have to have consumers, in order to recover from this deepest BUSH recession since the Great Depression. Republican policies have left the Middle Class wages flat, while redistributing wealth through their corporate welfare, crony capitalism, deregulation, phony wars for the Oil corporations, and awarding those who outsource our jobs, with huge tax cuts, and allowing them to hide their money off shore, and other corrupt Republican policies, a;; pushing more money upwards to the wealthiest among us.

That isn't capitalism. And when those with the money are buying our representatives, in secret, and the SCOTUS legislates such unequal power as legal, then corruption thrives between the government representatives, and the wealthy corporate thieves, at the destruction of all others, and that is exactly what fascism is.

This IS The Shock Doctrine. It started with Friedmann, and Ronald Reagan, when he started destroying the unions, and providing slave labor for corporations, through his Amnesty.

It's pretty simple, actually, the MIddle Class suffers from Republican policies, as the charts prove, and the wealthy are awarded by republicans for their greed, pollution, un-Americanism and corruption.

No country thrives, without a thriving middle class. Jobs require consumers, which is exactly what Republican policies, have wiped out.

Republican policies are un-American. We cannot maintain our American dreams, in the midst of Republican created oligarchy and plutocracy.

End of story.

G.

Soflasnapper
11-03-2011, 04:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact the Joe Conason says it does not make it a fact... more likely just the opposite. And to say that Churchill was a Bolshevik gives evidence that Conason easily distorts history to make his story sound reasonable.

Furthermore, you should know better than to use such a pathetic creature to support your position. And you should not partake in the process of deconstructing our noble heritage and history. </div></div>

The Bolshevik line was a rhetorical flourish, to be sure.

However, if you don't like Conason's history, do you know of the history and where it can be found where Churchill fought against the National Health Service prior to its founding, or continued to try to get it repealed after its founding, in his various roles in government?

Isn't Conason exactly correct, that Churchill certainly did support it before it was put in, was determined to take some credit for its having been implemented, and continued to give it maximum support through his governmental offices' tenure?

That was certainly true of Margaret Thatcher, iirc.

llotter
11-03-2011, 08:47 PM
Churchill was in a box as a conservative and he could see the handwriting on the wall in the post war economy that was causing havoc and for political reasons followed the path he did. It started out as an 'insurance' program and morphed, in the legislative process, into a 'service' program. In the twilight of his career, 1951, Churchill ordered a review of the service in hopes of reversing course but it proved to be too late once the public came to depend on it.

That somewhat parallels the entitlement programs here. Social Security was implemented in a severe economic downturn and once the people become dependent on it, becomes next to impossible to do anything meaningful, other than increase it, of course. That is the situation in many Euro countries and you can see the consequence on the TV nightly.

The thing about Conason and liberals in general is the slight of hand they make to justify leftist policies. The find one 'racist' sign among thousands at a Tea Party event and paint all of the participants as racists. In fact, if they don't find the sign, they'll produce one of their own as they did when falsely claiming that racists remarks were flung at a couple black congressman. The logical flaw is to generalize from the specific.

LWW
11-04-2011, 03:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Conservatives have ushered in Fascism.
G.

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You really shouldn't use words that you don't know the meaning of.

Soflasnapper
11-07-2011, 08:23 PM
"ushered"???