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LWW
11-04-2011, 03:17 AM
I guess they decided that they can wait after all? (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/1/dead-end-senate/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">House Republican leaders want the public to know that they aren’t to blame for the stalemate on Capitol Hill. Speaker John A. Boehner produced a card listing the “forgotten 15” jobs bills that have passed the House but not the Senate. The Ohio Republican gave the card to members, telling them to carry it with them, hold it up at events at home, and flash it during interviews to remind Americans that Republicans are doing everything they can to address the employment situation.

The Democratic strategy is to set up Republicans as a foil for their 2012 re-election bids. Even though the congressional approval rating is down in the single-digits, Mr. Reid wants to draw a distinction between his party and the GOP by only bringing up bills that Republicans will oppose so his caucus can send out accusatory press releases.

The messaging is carefully crafted to fit with Mr. Obama’s latest campaign trail slogans about how “we can’t wait” for Congress to act. He showed his true motives on Tuesday when the president invited congressional Democrats to the White House to ostensibly talk about the jobs agenda. He has no plans to invite Republicans over to chat.

Democrats recognize the economy isn’t going to turn around appreciably between now and Election Day. They are scared to death that the public will blame them for the malaise. It is irresponsible for the Democrats to play political games with 9 percent unemployment and a double-dip recession looming. Mr. Reid should take up the bipartisan, House-passed bills and get something done that would actually help job creators succeed. </div></div>

Qtec
11-04-2011, 04:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I guess they decided that they can wait after all? (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/1/dead-end-senate/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">House Republican leaders want the public to know that they aren’t to blame for the stalemate on Capitol Hill. </div></div>
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The vote was 51 - 49 with only 2 members of the Dem caucus — Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Ben Nelson (D-NE) — joining the GOP. </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>All the GOP voted against it.</span>

Why didn't it pass? 51 is a majority, right?

Q

Qtec
11-04-2011, 04:23 AM
This is what your link failed to mention.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><u>It was the third test vote on jobs measures Republicans have stymied.</u> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>In recent weeks they filibustered debate on the whole American Jobs Act, and on legislation that would have provided states $35 billion to hire and retain teachers and emergency responders.</span> All the bills are paid for with tiny surtaxes on income over $1 million. </div></div>



Q

Gayle in MD
11-04-2011, 07:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This is what your link failed to mention.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><u>It was the third test vote on jobs measures Republicans have stymied.</u> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>In recent weeks they filibustered debate on the whole American Jobs Act, and on legislation that would have provided states $35 billion to hire and retain teachers and emergency responders.</span> All the bills are paid for with tiny surtaxes on income over $1 million. </div></div>



Q </div></div>


More Repub lies, Boehner's one of the worst, second only to McConnell annd Cantor...

How does McConnell get away with accusing the President of politicizing, when he stated that his top priority was to make thhis president a one term president, at the outset of the Bush economic CRASH!!!!

Repubs don't prevent impending disasters, they create them. One would have to be intellectually challenged, to try to deny the obstructionism in the name of politics, which we have all witnessed by the Republicans.

I think the voters are wising up, at last! OWS has been the most unprecedented grass roots protest in our history....with no threats, no guns strapped to their legs, no racist signage, anWashington D.C. residents, staged a basic sit-in, at McConnells office, yesterday.

There's finally some success going on with The People, connecting the dots...Repubs are losing ground...we're seeing a global outcry with the OWS Movement, against the corrupt practices of the wealthy corporate thieves of the American financial industry....and their gross greed and corruption.

G.

eg8r
11-04-2011, 08:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">House Republican leaders want the public to know that they aren’t to blame for the stalemate on Capitol Hill. Speaker John A. Boehner produced a card listing the “forgotten 15” jobs bills that have passed the House but not the Senate. The Ohio Republican gave the card to members, telling them to carry it with them, hold it up at events at home, and flash it during interviews to remind Americans that Republicans are doing everything they can to address the employment situation.
</div></div>LOL, we even have people here on the board that have stated there have been no Rep jobs bills but whatever. Don't you think Boehner is acting a bit ridiculous in doing this? Reading this makes me think of something Michael would do on "The Office".

eg8r

Soflasnapper
11-04-2011, 03:57 PM
The bills in question are not jobs bills. Mostly they are deregulation bills, or drill baby drill bills, which do not have any large job creation feature, if any job creation whatsoever.

To answer your question, Boehner is doing what seems ridiculous because the political attacks Obama's bringing are striking home and making a difference as to how the public sees Obama and the parties. He's broadly up some in the polls, which isn't based on any better situation, just on his emphasis on jobs and being forceful about it, for once.

eg8r
11-04-2011, 10:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">or drill baby drill bills,</div></div>Answer this, would Americans prefer more jobs at McDonalds or more jobs on an oil rig?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He's broadly up some in the polls, which isn't based on any better situation, just on his emphasis on jobs and being forceful about it, for once. </div></div>You of all people should understand that this little up tick is more a display of gullibility than it is honest support for the President.

eg8r

Qtec
11-05-2011, 06:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Answer this, would Americans prefer more jobs at McDonalds or more jobs on an oil rig? </div></div>

All depends. If McDonald's workers were getting paid a good wage with health insurance and a profit sharing scheme, who knows?
Working on a rig is dangerous. Then again, you are more likely to receive an injury working at McDonalds.

Q

Qtec
11-05-2011, 06:59 AM
Sometimes they fight back.

NSFW (http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-bloody-greenwich-village-mcdonalds-fight,0,2988734.story)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By PIX11 Newsroom pix11.com

7:20 p.m. EDT, October 14, 2011
GREENWICH VILLAGE, NY (PIX11)—
Shocking cell phone footage taken at a Greenwich Village McDonald's shows a brutal fight between a cashier and two female customers that occurred early Thursday, according to reports.

The argument began around 12:30 a.m. when the cashier, Rayon McIntosh, 31, told the two women -- Denise Darbeau, 24, of Queens, and Rachel Edwards, 24, of Brooklyn -- that he would have to scan their $50 bill before getting their food, according to DNAinfo.com.

Edwards and Darbeau can be heard in the video swearing at McIntosh and saying, "Do something, p***y." Then Darbeau escalates the situation by lunging forward and slapping the cashier across the face. McIntosh dives forward to retaliate, and pushes the woman before backing into the restaurant.

Darbeau then jumps over the counter while Edwards walks around the side to confront McIntosh, who reaches out of the frame and grabs a metal rod. Gripping the rod in both hands, McIntosh can then be seen winding up and striking both women repeatedly while they fall to the ground.

Patrons can be heard screaming, with one horrified woman yelling, "Stop it! Stop! Stop! Oh my God," as the repeated impact of the pipe can be heard in the background. One woman suffered a fractured skull and a broken arm; the other a deep cut on the head, according to reports.

McIntosh is now being held at the Manhattan Detention Center and faces charges of felony assault and criminal possession of a weapon, according to police. He is being held on $40,000 bail.

Edwads and Darbeau face charges of menacing, trespassing and disorderly conduct.

McIntosh began working at the West 3rd St. restaurant after getting out of prison on parole in March, according to reports, after being convicted of manslaughter. </div></div>

A possible explanation for this behaviour?

watch from the 10.00 min mark........at the 12.50 mark he tells you the 'why'...listen to what the guys says. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXUFYYHZTaU&feature=related)

Q

LWW
11-05-2011, 07:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I guess they decided that they can wait after all? (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/1/dead-end-senate/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">House Republican leaders want the public to know that they aren’t to blame for the stalemate on Capitol Hill. </div></div>
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The vote was 51 - 49 with only 2 members of the Dem caucus — Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Ben Nelson (D-NE) — joining the GOP. </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>All the GOP voted against it.</span>

Why didn't it pass? 51 is a majority, right?

Q </div></div>

Because they were operating under rules set by the democrooks.

LWW
11-05-2011, 07:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The bills in question are not jobs bills. Mostly they are deregulation bills, or drill baby drill bills, which do not have any large job creation feature, if any job creation whatsoever.

To answer your question, Boehner is doing what seems ridiculous because the political attacks Obama's bringing are striking home and making a difference as to how the public sees Obama and the parties. He's broadly up some in the polls, which isn't based on any better situation, just on his emphasis on jobs and being forceful about it, for once. </div></div>

And they will drill without any workers?

Amazing.

LWW
11-05-2011, 07:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Answer this, would Americans prefer more jobs at McDonalds or more jobs on an oil rig? </div></div>

All depends. If McDonald's workers were getting paid a good wage with health insurance and a profit sharing scheme, who knows?

Q </div></div>

Then a Big Mac would cost 20 bucks and the cjhain would go broke placing a million on the unemployment line.

Next myth?

Qtec
11-05-2011, 07:05 AM
So you are saying they were 'forced' to filibuster?

Q

LWW
11-05-2011, 07:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you are saying they were 'forced' to filibuster?

Q </div></div>

I didn't say that at all.

The rules are set up so that it requires 60 votes to have an actual vote.

What this does is allow one party to vote FOR something they know won't pass, and which they would vote against if it were a vote for passage.

This enables demokrook leaders to pander shamelessly to the hyper-partisan, the naive and the downright stupid.

And, as the left on this forum verifies daily, it works with brutal efficiency.

Open wide snoopy ... the spoon man will be here soon to explain it all away for you ...

Soflasnapper
11-05-2011, 01:46 PM
And they will drill without any workers?

Amazing.

We're down roughly 12 million in jobs. Yes, they will drill without any million new workers.

Particularly as we are at a recent peak of drilling and production, meaning both the most production in maybe 5 years or more, plus the first time in a long while we are producing more than half our consumption.

Soflasnapper
11-05-2011, 01:53 PM
The rules are set up so that it requires 60 votes to have an actual vote.


That's not the case. Any bill could be brought to the floor for debate, and voted on, without 60 votes.

Unless the opponents don't allow that. They have the option to allow it, and that would be regular order, without any bending of the rules or exceptional treatment. In fact, it would be the standard way the Senate functioned for its entire existence, until recent times. It is this 60 vote threshold that is newly demanded for almost everything that is irregular.

What we now see is that they are using the 60 vote optional requirement to prevent even the bill reaching the floor for debate. Not just to prevent its final vote for passage, but preventing it from being brought forward for debate at all.

This puts the purpose of the filibuster-- that there has not yet been enough debate-- on its head. Using it not to keep debating, but to prevent the beginning of debate altogether, even though allowing it to be debated would not prevent their requiring the 60 votes to have the final vote.

We call it Obstruction, Plus! (TM), and surely it represents the final throes of the end of our Constitutional representative democracy government, even as to formalisms.

LWW
11-05-2011, 02:43 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And they will drill without any workers?

Amazing.

We're down roughly 12 million in jobs. Yes, they will drill without any million new workers. </div></div>

So if something creates less than a million jobs, it isn't worth it?

How heartless can you be?

eg8r
11-05-2011, 08:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We're down roughly 12 million in jobs. Yes, they will drill without any million new workers.
</div></div>Considering the actual drilling is not the only job source should this happen you are being quite unfair. Also, qtip and gayle were cheering on the firing of $1 million dollars worth of employees not too long ago. In the middle of a recession where they act like they actually care about the worker, they cheered on the firings.

eg8r

eg8r
11-05-2011, 08:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All depends. If McDonald's workers were getting paid a good wage with health insurance and a profit sharing scheme, who knows?
</div></div>What is a good wage for running a register or flipping burgers? Are you basing it on the fact that this is a job for a high schooler NOT a married man with children as an only job.

eg8r

Qtec
11-06-2011, 03:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is a good wage for running a register or flipping burgers? </div></div>

What is a good wage for a broker on Wall St who actually produces nothing?

Q

Qtec
11-06-2011, 04:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you basing it on the fact that this is a job for a high schooler NOT a married man with children as an only job.

eg8r </div></div>

What a hypocrite you are. You are ALWAYS saying that if you don't have work you should take any job that is going.

Are you now saying Americans should refuse jobs because they are too much like hard work or don't pay enough?

Q

Qtec
11-06-2011, 06:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you basing it on the fact that this is a job for a high schooler NOT a married man with children as an only job.

eg8r </div></div>




<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On top of cold weather and logistical pains, "Occupy" protesters in Chicago last week dealt with an embarrassing stunt.

Dozens of photocopied McDonald's job applications were reportedly thrown from the Chicago Board of Trade building and onto Occupy Chicago protestors earlier this week, according to Chicagoist (h/t Mediaite).

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>In April, McDonald's announced plans to hire <u>50,000 new employees in a single day.</u> The fast food giant was subsequently flooded with <span style='font-size: 20pt'><u>more than one million applications,</u></span></span> a McDonald's spokeswoman told HuffPost in April. As of October, there are officially 13.9 million unemployed people in America today </div></div>


Boy, that really blows away many of your myths.

Q..I guess all their flat screen tv's must be broken!

Gayle in MD
11-06-2011, 10:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is a good wage for running a register or flipping burgers? </div></div>

What is a good wage for a broker on Wall St who actually produces nothing?

Q </div></div>

Yeah, produces nothing but highway robbery on the grand scale!

What is a good wage for a defense contractor's blood money?

We all know, there is more waste and corruption going on by Defense Contractors than just about anything else.

Eg. is part of the Military Industrial/CongressionalComplex's on the dole check cashers. You know, the guys that the Neocons keep in business by launching wars for oil CEO contracts????

We have several like Eg., on here who are ON THE GOVERNMET DOLE, who rant about their fellow Americans, who are unemployed, and the poor, everyone is on the dole, except for them, LMAO!

Hypocrite is right! It describes all from the right.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They brought the nation to the brink of default over spending, but a Newsweek investigation shows Tea Party lawmakers grabbing billions from the government trough. Plus, view the letters submitted by the 'Dirty Dozen.'



The Tea Party Pork Binge
Oct 30, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
</div></div>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/20...t-handouts.html

eg8r
11-07-2011, 11:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What a hypocrite you are. You are ALWAYS saying that if you don't have work you should take any job that is going.
</div></div>I am not being a hypocrite just asking an honest question. It appears you are not man enough to answer it.

eg8r

eg8r
11-07-2011, 11:07 AM
It didn't blow away anything, I am asking your an honest question, what do you think the pay should be for a person running a register and would you please tell us how you came to the conclusion.

eg8r

Qtec
11-07-2011, 10:07 PM
so all the low paid have no skills? (http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1423/bizar/video/detail/3020741/Zo-werken-ze-in-India.dhtml)

Q

eg8r
11-08-2011, 09:43 AM
Are you going to answer the question or just keep changing the subject?

eg8r