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Gayle in MD
11-07-2011, 09:51 AM
This morning Ol' RW Joe, gave president Eisenhower all of the credit for the US investmennt in building our intersate highways, that's correct,... but then he followed up by giving Eisenhower all of the credit for the entire Space program and those scientific investments, and successes, AND for the investments that led to the existence of the Internet!

Isn't this a rather Republican friendly, partisan view?

G.

Soflasnapper
11-07-2011, 11:09 AM
All the alleged 'gaps' claimed at one time or another were propaganda lies. These gaps included the 'bomber' gap and the alleged 'missile' gap, based on the Soviets getting the first satellite into orbit, the Sputnik. Always, in the look back of history, it turned out that WE were ahead in each case, when we were claiming we were way behind.

This was true of the Sputnik launch and our alleged woeful trailing of Soviet capability. We were not behind, and probably were ahead. After all, Sputnik went up in October '57, and we got a satellite into orbit at the end of January '58.Obviously, we did not go from a dead stop to a launch in 4 months, and we had been steadily working toward our own satellite launch for some time.

Ike wasn't surprised, although that was the take in the West. He knew all about the Soviets' capabilities, although not perhaps that they'd beat us (by a couple of months).

However, the propaganda value was milked to the hilt, and the public stampeded into a massive high tech expenditure into education, science, etc.

Including the creation of ARPA, from whence ARPA-Net, the precursor to the internet, was formed.

"The USSR's launch of Sputnik spurred the United States to create the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA or DARPA) in February 1958 to regain a technological lead.[60][61]

1957 - October 4th - the USSR launches Sputnik, the first artificial earth satellite.
1958 - February 7th - In response to the launch of Sputnik, the US Department of Defense issues directive 5105.15 establishing the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA).

The organization united some of America's most brilliant people, who developed the United States' first successful satellite in 18 months. Several years later ARPA began to focus on computer networking and communications technology.[62]" [from Wiki's article on Sputnik]

However, ARPA (or DARPA) wasn't created for the purpose of inventing the ARPA-Net, and that was a later development, '69-'70. It did grow from the seed Ike had planted in the late '50s, but required many other hands husbanding this effort that was not contemplated at its beginnings.

The real condition for the WWW and the internet we have today, as a mass communication vehicle, was creating enough bandwidth capability to easily stream graphics, pictures, and videos (hat tip to how pornography played a key consumer demand, btw), and that awaited the Gore-sponsored massive investment in the fiber optic trunk lines some decades later.

Gayle in MD
11-07-2011, 11:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All the alleged 'gaps' claimed at one time or another were propaganda lies. These gaps included the 'bomber' gap and the alleged 'missile' gap, based on the Soviets getting the first satellite into orbit, the Sputnik. Always, in the look back of history, it turned out that WE were ahead in each case, when we were claiming we were way behind.

This was true of the Sputnik launch and our alleged woeful trailing of Soviet capability. We were not behind, and probably were ahead. After all, Sputnik went up in October '57, and we got a satellite into orbit at the end of January '58.Obviously, we did not go from a dead stop to a launch in 4 months, and we had been steadily working toward our own satellite launch for some time.

Ike wasn't surprised, although that was the take in the West. He knew all about the Soviets' capabilities, although not perhaps that they'd beat us (by a couple of months).

However, the propaganda value was milked to the hilt, and the public stampeded into a massive high tech expenditure into education, science, etc.

Including the creation of ARPA, from whence ARPA-Net, the precursor to the internet, was formed.

"The USSR's launch of Sputnik spurred the United States to create the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA or DARPA) in February 1958 to regain a technological lead.[60][61]

1957 - October 4th - the USSR launches Sputnik, the first artificial earth satellite.
1958 - February 7th - In response to the launch of Sputnik, the US Department of Defense issues directive 5105.15 establishing the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA).

The organization united some of America's most brilliant people, who developed the United States' first successful satellite in 18 months. Several years later ARPA began to focus on computer networking and communications technology.[62]" [from Wiki's article on Sputnik]

However, ARPA (or DARPA) wasn't created for the purpose of inventing the ARPA-Net, and that was a later development, '69-'70. It did grow from the seed Ike had planted in the late '50s, but required many other hands husbanding this effort that was not contemplated at its beginnings.

The real condition for the WWW and the internet we have today, as a mass communication vehicle, was creating enough bandwidth capability to easily stream graphics, pictures, and videos (hat tip to how pornography played a key consumer demand, btw), and that awaited the Gore-sponsored massive investment in the fiber optic trunk lines some decades later.
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I suppose pushing the "We're behind" story, is part of an effort to get the people on board, with the spending.

Good information Sofla.

So, while Eisenhower began a good path, for the country, no doubt, others after Eisenhower contributed also.

So, my question is...was morning Joe revising and ignoring all of the contributions by other Presidents, like President Kennedy, for example, and President Clinton, VP Gore, etc., and giving all of the credit, for partisan purposes, to Eisenhower? Seems to me he chose to ignore any acknowledgment of those who followed, along with the importance of what was on the horizen, Scientifically and technolgically, at any given time, for any president to have a shot at being behind as his overall policy.

BTW, I liked President Eisenhower enough, still do....although I was just a kid when he was our President, I'd say he did no har, generally speaking, of course, unlike Reagan and the Bush disasters...


G.

Soflasnapper
11-07-2011, 12:16 PM
If I ever knew, I have forgotten, whether the gigantic Saturn rocket launchers eventually created for the moon trip were already in the works prior to JFK's challenge to the country to get to the moon. (I could look it up, of course.)

However, the MILITARY and the MIC would have been working on missile research for nuclear ICBMs quite apart from Ike's impetus, and they ALREADY had the propaganda campaign in effect. Vandenburg as a senator had already told Truman that if he wanted to get his Cold War funding, he had to go and 'scare the hell out of the American people.'

Apparently, Ike himself did NOT especially cause the Sputnik fevered reaction among the American people, entirely downplaying it in the early days, as it was rather a ho-hum event that was fully known prior to its occurrence.

The 'missile gap' lie that came about as a result of that incident was a shameless Democratic attack led by JFK against Ike's VP Nixon in the '60 race. I believe that as JFK had been briefed by the Eisenhower administration, he knew his charges were bogus, but Nixon was unable to deny the charges, as that information was heavily classified. Same thing with JFK's charges about the Eisenhower's supposed ignoring of the Cuba issue. Phony charge, as he had been briefed on the beginnings of the Bay of Pigs/Operation Zapata plans. Again, Nixon was unable to respond effectively, due to the secrecy of these plans.

Gayle in MD
11-07-2011, 12:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I ever knew, I have forgotten, whether the gigantic Saturn rocket launchers eventually created for the moon trip were already in the works prior to JFK's challenge to the country to get to the moon. (I could look it up, of course.)

However, the MILITARY and the MIC would have been working on missile research for nuclear ICBMs quite apart from Ike's impetus, and they ALREADY had the propaganda campaign in effect. Vandenburg as a senator had already told Truman that if he wanted to get his Cold War funding, he had to go and 'scare the hell out of the American people.'

Apparently, Ike himself did NOT especially cause the Sputnik fevered reaction among the American people, entirely downplaying it in the early days, as it was rather a ho-hum event that was fully known prior to its occurrence.

The 'missile gap' lie that came about as a result of that incident was a shameless Democratic attack led by JFK against Ike's VP Nixon in the '60 race. I believe that as JFK had been briefed by the Eisenhower administration, he knew his charges were bogus, but Nixon was unable to deny the charges, as that information was heavily classified. Same thing with JFK's charges about the Eisenhower's supposed ignoring of the Cuba issue. Phony charge, as he had been briefed on the beginnings of the Bay of Pigs/Operation Zapata plans. Again, Nixon was unable to respond effectively, due to the secrecy of these plans.

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I love reading your posts. I always learn something from each one of them.

Thanks,

Gayle

Soflasnapper
11-07-2011, 02:52 PM
Notice how I always take the side of Democrats, and attack the GOP? As in the above posts? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif LOL!

Gayle in MD
11-07-2011, 03:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Notice how I always take the side of Democrats, and attack the GOP? As in the above posts? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif LOL! </div></div>

No, you do not, and sometimes I do wish you'd be more forthcoming in that way. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

I love your posts, but given that I am a self-proclaimed, self- acknowledged, partisan Liberal voter, who would rather cut off my hands, than pull the lever, (or hit the screen) for a Repiglican, I do have a time with you, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif trying to get you to answer my accusations more directly, against people like Morning Joe the Nose!

Ha ha ha...I still love your posts though.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

At least I'm not out here claiming to be non partisan, like the righties who hypocritically accuse me of being hypocritical, LMAO!

Why pretend to be something other than what I am, a Democratic voter, who fully believes that Repiglican policies are most responsible for the worst things that have happened to our country.

I don't think I am disingenuous, at all. why should I be?

LOL...
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G.

eg8r
11-07-2011, 03:14 PM
Sounds fairly partisan unless the point was to give credit to where it all started. I did not watch the program but if the only credit was given to Eisenhower for the creation of everything leading up to and including the internet then yes it was misleading.

eg8r