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Soflasnapper
11-11-2011, 02:59 PM
Here's a fact or two, and a theory.

Fact: the Koch brothers' agenda received some severe setbacks in Tuesday's elections, as the people rejected Gov. Kasich's new law ending collective bargaining and other union rights in Ohio, among other problems.

Fact: Cain's late afternoon press conference was a media sensation, which repurposed all the news and talking head shows to look at THAT, and provide relative cover to the later developing story of how much the people have rejected their legislative agenda.

Fact: Cain's clumsy, inept and corrupt campaign manager is a Koch asset, who has been stinking up Cain's responses so badly that many supporters of Cain have been calling for his firing from the campaign.

Theory: The Koch brothers know better than to put all their eggs in one basket, and used Cain's campaign as but one of several moving parts, as a pawn in their game. A pawn that, regrettably, could and would be sacrificed, for their sophisticated overall plan, but at the moment of their choice, for best effect.

Theory: As the polling showed too great a public opposition to plausibly steal the election using the power of the electronic voting machines, they knew some of their key agenda items were facing reversal, and some weeks ago that would have been clear.

So they decided the best use of their pawn was as a distraction, a bit of legerdemain, to move public attention away from those very significant defeats, to what is actually a meaningless flame-out of one of their soldiers, which would have happened eventually in any case.

Gayle in MD
11-11-2011, 06:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's a fact or two, and a theory.

Fact: the Koch brothers' agenda received some severe setbacks in Tuesday's elections, as the people rejected Gov. Kasich's new law ending collective bargaining and other union rights in Ohio, among other problems.

Fact: Cain's late afternoon press conference was a media sensation, which repurposed all the news and talking head shows to look at THAT, and provide relative cover to the later developing story of how much the people have rejected their legislative agenda.

Fact: Cain's clumsy, inept and corrupt campaign manager is a Koch asset, who has been stinking up Cain's responses so badly that many supporters of Cain have been calling for his firing from the campaign.

Theory: The Koch brothers know better than to put all their eggs in one basket, and used Cain's campaign as but one of several moving parts, as a pawn in their game. A pawn that, regrettably, could and would be sacrificed, for their sophisticated overall plan, but at the moment of their choice, for best effect.

Theory: As the polling showed too great a public opposition to plausibly steal the election using the power of the electronic voting machines, they knew some of their key agenda items were facing reversal, and some weeks ago that would have been clear.

So they decided the best use of their pawn was as a distraction, a bit of legerdemain, to move public attention away from those very significant defeats, to what is actually a meaningless flame-out of one of their soldiers, which would have happened eventually in any case.

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I think your appraisal is dead on. Thought we had already agreed on this very liklihood as the Koch Brothers backed, tactic, using Cain as an obvious diversion and unwitting eventual loser, who hangs himself, and burns out, and then throws more votes to....?

That's where I think we stopped in the last dicsussion.

So, who is their true chosen puppet for the White House?

Romney? No doubt he is sleazy enough for them. Pull the money string on his back, and he'll say whatever they wish.

Perry, who may have been the true original choice, but flamed out unexpectedly, another unvetted Hail Mary pass, but too stupid, as bad as Palin? And worse, this one forgot to write his main policy points on his palm.

Or...OMG....Newt? An easy target for their money...as well, given he'll say or do anything for more of it.

Obviously all three will fight to give them plenty of opportunities to trash the environment, and provide Koch all of the loopholes, subsidies, and tax breaks they want, while the poor and the Middle Class is starving for food and jobs.

As you suggest, it's likely that they already own all four of them...and realized Cain was too much of a loose cannon, and hence, decided when the heat was on, to expose his shady past...the truth about their brutha from anutha mutha, lol, maybe that was the line that they couldn't swallow.. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

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G.

Soflasnapper
11-11-2011, 07:15 PM
This is a mystery. There may be actually no one candidate they had set their mind on, but a stable of horses, betting the field.

If it were Romney, they have to be panicking about now, as the dogs aren't liking the dog food (not to be perjorative, but that's the marketing lingo).

I'd say they will try to get a boost out of a more radical TP type for VP, as Dole tried to get the true believers with a Jack Kemp, and old man McCain, with La Diva Palin. Because a low-intensity uninvolved and disappointed base will not serve their cause.

Look at Newt's rise, which I cannot believe. The guy should have been on the remnant bin at a severe discount many years back. His Tiffany credit lines alone... (!). Which would have been probably fine if he were really rich, but he's grasping after riches, pretty unseemly conduct. Worse, he's flip-flopped about as much as Romney, on matters the base takes seriously.

But I now bet that Cain will not make the VP short list, and probably will not be running after a couple of primaries.

eg8r
11-11-2011, 08:30 PM
Why did you stop there? We are waiting for your "facts" to reveal the Koch brothers are responsible for the accusers coming forward so that they would have an "out" if the voters in Ohio sided with the non-job creating unions.

eg8r

LWW
11-12-2011, 05:42 AM
You are so cute when you try to act smart.

Do you even know what the word "THEORY" means?

Qtec
11-12-2011, 07:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Theory: The Koch brothers know better than to put all their eggs in one basket, and used Cain's campaign as but one of several moving parts, as a pawn in their game. <u>A pawn that, regrettably, could and would be sacrificed,</u> for their sophisticated overall plan, but at the moment of their choice, for best effect. </div></div>

I said the very same thing in an earlier post.

He's their boy. He is in there as a spoiler. They never thought he could come so far.

IMO Perry was their preferred choice but it became clear that he was not up to it. They have now turned their eyes on Mitt and so Herman has to go. With Perry and Cain out, its all Mitt's for the taking.

Q

Gayle in MD
11-12-2011, 08:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Theory: The Koch brothers know better than to put all their eggs in one basket, and used Cain's campaign as but one of several moving parts, as a pawn in their game. <u>A pawn that, regrettably, could and would be sacrificed,</u> for their sophisticated overall plan, but at the moment of their choice, for best effect. </div></div>

I said the very same thing in an earlier post.

He's their boy. He is in there as a spoiler. They never thought he could come so far.

IMO Perry was their preferred choice but it became clear that he was not up to it. They have now turned their eyes on Mitt and so Herman has to go. With Perry and Cain out, its all Mitt's for the taking.

Q </div></div>


Newt has been nothing but his own brand for decades.

The guy is a real huckster, another Palin, selling everything from his own video's to coffee cups. His Huckster wife is as bad as he is, perpetual book tours and pamphlets, they could open their own Gingmart.

If Perry makes any real come back, wow, how stupid can people be.

Romney the job killer, has told so many lies, the fact check sites will be busy as hell if he runs.

Cain's 9-9-9- is a joke, more money for the rich and more pollution for Big Phamr profits, a result which would accmpany all fo the contenders.

If the Tea Party seniors figure out how they are being "Worked" by all of the Ryan/Boehner/McConnell/Newt/Cain/Romney/ huckstsers, heck, the whole Repiglican Party, and their perpetual BS about saving medicare and SS for their Grandkids, by allowing Repiglicans to destroy it for everyone, right now, once and for all, that awakening could finally shut down the GOP for long enough to get this country back on track.

Deregulate the banks! Pahleeeze!

Do nothing, about anything...great policy ideas... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif


And... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif if they end up pushing for Romney, I know a good campaign song the Dems can run behind their Attack the flip-flopper, Romney Ads....a really old Ella Fitzgerald song /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif


Undecided:

First you say you do
And then you don't
And then you say you will
And then you won't
You're undecided now,
So what are you gonna' to do.

Now you want to play
And then it's no
And when you say you'll stay
That's when you go
You're undecided now
So what are you going to do


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Soflasnapper
11-12-2011, 12:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why did you stop there? We are waiting for your "facts" to reveal the Koch brothers are responsible for the accusers coming forward so that they would have an "out" if the voters in Ohio sided with the non-job creating unions.

eg8r </div></div>

I'm using the Cain standard of evidence to make serious claims, as when he said just days ago that the Democrat machine had caused these things to happen, but then admitted he had no evidence for that assertion, but it was still what he thought so he said it.

Of course, that claim was sandwiched between an earlier, and now revisited claim from Cain that it was really the Perry camp all along. But does anyone think Perry is part of the Democrat machine? Sure, LWW probably claims he's a leftist statist, not really a conservative, etc., but PART OF THE DEMOCRAT MACHINE? Hardly.

Someone (ok, Dana Milbank) said, the Cain campaign may be proceeding along the lines of 'The Producers,' trying to and intending to flame out early, but succeeding despite all they've done. While that doesn't show him agreeing with my theory, still, if Cain's campaign was supposed to self-implode, that was probably not known to him, so it would be the plan of his key backers, those very same Koch brothers, who got him this troubled and incompetent campaign manager.