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Qtec
12-10-2011, 02:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'><u>Republicans</u> Unveil Payroll Tax Cut Proposal Set Up To Fail </span>

WASHINGTON -- House Republican leaders on Friday rolled out their plan for advancing the two most pressing issues before Congress -- extending the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance -- but their bill is so loaded with "poison pills" that it seems little more than a politically driven exercise destined for failure.

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) hailed the proposal, which is on tap for a House vote next week, as "a win for the American people and worthy of the President's signature." <u>The bill would extend the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance before both expire this year, and would pay for all of it through spending cuts versus the Democrat-preferred surtax on millionaires.</u>

But Republicans attached a grab bag of items to the bill that ensure it won't win Democratic support, and instead sets up a scenario where Democrats are inclined to vote against a payroll tax cut, an issue they have been trying to champion.

Among other items, Republicans added language to the bill relating to the Keystone XL energy pipeline, a move that President Barack Obama has already said is a deal-breaker. Specifically, the bill would give the administration 60 days to resume work on the oil pipeline or require Obama to give a reason as to why the project is not in the national interest.

Obama stopped short of a veto threat when asked earlier this week about the possibility of Republicans linking the issues.

"Any effort to try to tie Keystone to the payroll tax cut I will reject, so everybody should be on notice," Obama said Wednesday. "I don't expect to have to veto it because I expect they're going to have enough sense over on Capitol Hill to do the people's business, and not try to load it up with a bunch of politics."</div></div>


It gets worse.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In addition to deliberately picking a fight with Obama on that front, Republicans stuffed a mix of other provisions into the bill unlikely to win Democratic support. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Among them: denying unemployment insurance benefits to high school dropouts if they're not enrolled in a GED program, allowing states to drug test people who receive jobless benefits, and permanently slashing the maximum amount of unemployment benefits from 99 to 59 weeks.

The GOP plan also proposes paying for another priority issue -- the "doc fix," a provision to protect Medicare physicians from large reimbursement cuts set to take place next year -- by cutting $8 billion from the health care reform law. Other miscellaneous offsets include blocking welfare electronic benefit transfer cards from working in ATMs in strip clubs, liquor stores and casinos; extending the pay freeze for federal workers; eliminating government benefits for millionaires; and taking steps to ensure that undocumented immigrants don't collect checks from the IRS. </span></div></div>

They forgot the kitchen sink!


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Gayle in MD
12-10-2011, 07:03 AM
Demonize. Lie. Attack. Obstruct.

That's all that Repigs have done since January 09. Come to think of it, that's all they do here, as well.

I'd just love to see a surprise drug test at the Senate Office Building! Better yet, Wall St.!

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I'm still dreaming of a super pure batch to hit Wall St, on a Friday night.

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eg8r
12-10-2011, 01:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The bill would extend the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance before both expire this year, and would pay for all of it through spending cuts versus the Democrat-preferred surtax on millionaires.
</div></div>I am on board with this idea 100%.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But Republicans attached a grab bag of items to the bill that ensure it won't win Democratic support, and instead sets up a scenario where Democrats are inclined to vote against a payroll tax cut, an issue they have been trying to champion.
</div></div>Seems like the Reps are playing dirty like the Dems.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Other miscellaneous offsets include blocking welfare electronic benefit transfer cards from working in ATMs in strip clubs, liquor stores and casinos; extending the pay freeze for federal workers; eliminating government benefits for millionaires; and taking steps to ensure that undocumented immigrants don't collect checks from the IRS. </div></div>Who is against any of these and please help me understand why.

eg8r

Qtec
12-11-2011, 01:59 AM
Yes, the Reps ARE playing dirty. Just like they have done ever since Obama got in the WH. Once again they show where their loyalties lie. 'Protect the 1% at all cost.'

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Other miscellaneous offsets include blocking welfare electronic benefit transfer cards from working in ATMs in strip clubs, liquor stores and casinos;</div></div>

Why is it you 'small govt' guys always want to use Govt to force people to do what you think is right?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> extending the pay freeze for federal workers; </div></div>

Why punish them? Wall St is still giving themselves massive bonuses but you are against a 2% surcharge on everything OVER a $ million? So if a guy makes 1.5 M, the surcharge means he will pay an extra $10,000 against the $490,000 he keeps. Some sacrifice...and you are against it!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">eliminating government benefits for millionaires;</div></div>

If you pay for UE insurance, you are entitled to it. Period.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and taking steps to ensure that undocumented immigrants don't collect checks from the IRS. </div></div>

If you pay tax, why not?

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eg8r
12-11-2011, 07:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, the Reps ARE playing dirty. Just like they have done ever since Obama got in the WH.</div></div>They act like the Dems and you get pissy. Typical.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is it you 'small govt' guys always want to use Govt to force people to do what you think is right?
</div></div>If I am giving you money, I want to make sure it is going to help you stand up on your own feet and help you provide for youself, NOT continue in your addictions.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why punish them? Wall St is still giving themselves massive bonuses but you are against a 2% surcharge on everything OVER a $ million? </div></div>Wall St actually produce income. Federal employess cost money. They barely produce anything.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you pay tax, why not?
</div></div>Because, they only deserve a road trip back to their country and try again the legal way.

eg8r

Qtec
12-11-2011, 08:34 PM
They don't act like the Dems, they act like the unpatriotic obstrctionist Republicans that they are.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Wall St actually produce income. Federal employess cost money. They barely produce anything.

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Wall St produces nothing. What does a casino produce? They do the same as Wall St, take money from suckers and stuff their own pockets.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Because, they only deserve a road trip back to their country and try again the legal way.

eg8r </div></div>

In that case, I,m sure you are all for giving them back all the money they have paid in taxes.

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eg8r
12-11-2011, 10:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wall St produces nothing.</div></div>LOL, they are the richest people on earth and producing income is their specialty. As far as casinos, their production is not the same as say a manufacturing plant but to say they don't produce anything is quite shortsighted. They produce an experience that people are willing to pay lots of money to see. Vegas was started by casinos and gambling is still the number 1 revenue maker there but millions of people go to visit and take part in the experience with no desire to spend a single dime gambling.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In that case, I,m sure you are all for giving them back all the money they have paid in taxes.
</div></div>Sure, right after they give back all the income they earned while working here illegally. We can then use that money to sue the people that knowingly hired them to make sure it slows this activity down in the future.

eg8r

Qtec
12-12-2011, 02:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure, right after they give back all the income they earned while working here illegally. We can then use that money to sue the people that knowingly hired them to make sure it slows this activity down in the future.

eg8r </div></div>

So you are against Human Rights? How very Christian of you.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> LOL, they are the richest people on earth and producing income is their specialty.</div></div>


<span style='font-size: 23pt'>Here you are avoiding the subject. What do they produce?</span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but millions of people go to visit [ Vegas ] and take part in the experience with no desire to spend a single dime gambling.

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>LMFAO...</span>.........</div></div>

I'm sure the majority go to Vegas to play golf. LOL

Pathetic.

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eg8r
12-12-2011, 09:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you are against Human Rights? How very Christian of you.
</div></div>Please tell me where these "human rights" are listed? I am all for the law of the US being upheld and enforced. Quit being stupid with your made up phrases that have nothing to do with the subject.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What do they produce?
</div></div>Do you increase the font so that you can keep your focus? What is the point? They produce cashhhhh.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sure the majority go to Vegas to play golf. LOL
</div></div>OOPs, stupid qtip once again proves he is the village idiot for good reason. I did not say majority you did fool. You have chosen to ignore what was being said so that you could stuff your face up your rear and throw out strawman arguments.

eg8r

Qtec
12-16-2011, 05:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am all for the law of the US being upheld and enforced. </div></div>

Obviously you are not.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The filibuster of the President's nominee yesterday is seen very broadly as an assault not just on democracy, but even upon the rule of law itself. "<u>The CFPB was created by an act of Congress,</u>" said a statement by Think Progress, <u>"and can only be repealed or modified by an act of Congress.</u> By his own admission, Lee's filibuster is an attempt to make an end run around the Constitution's legitimate lawmaking process. </div></div>


....and you are on record for supporting him.

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eg8r
12-16-2011, 07:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By his own admission, Lee's filibuster is an attempt to make an end run around the Constitution's legitimate lawmaking process. </div></div>Absolutely not. He voted and did his part in the process. Filibuster is legal incase you start following sofla's example and start making everything you disagree with illegal.

As far as me on record supporting him? I am? I do support the fact that he is following the law.

eg8r