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Gayle in MD
01-03-2012, 07:14 AM
(AP)

January 3, 2012 7:38 AM
CLEVELAND A northeast Ohio well used to dispose of wastewater from oil and gas drilling almost certainly caused a series of 11 minor quakes in the Youngstown area since last spring, a seismologist investigating the quakes said Monday.


Research is continuing on the now-shuttered injection well at Youngstown and seismic activity, but it might take a year for the wastewater-related rumblings in the earth to dissipate, said John Armbruster of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York.


Brine wastewater dumped in wells comes from drilling operations, including the so-called fracking process to extract gas from underground shale that has been a source of concern among environmental groups and some property owners. Injection wells have also been suspected in quakes in Ashtabula in far northeast Ohio, and in Arkansas, Colorado, and Oklahoma, Armbruster said.


Thousands of gallons of brine were injected daily into the Youngstown well that opened in 2010 until its owner, Northstar Disposal Services LLC, agreed Friday to stop injecting the waste into the earth as a precaution while authorities assessed any potential links to the quakes.


After the latest and largest quake Saturday at 4.0 magnitude, state officials announced their beliefs that injecting wastewater near a fault line had created enough pressure to cause seismic activity. They said four inactive wells within a five-mile radius of the Youngstown well would remain closed. But they also stressed that injection wells are different from drilling wells that employ fracking.


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Armbruster said Monday he expects more quakes will occur despite the shutdown of the Youngstown well.


"The earthquakes will trickle on as a kind of a cascading process once you've caused them to occur," he said. "This one year of pumping is a pulse that has been pushed into the ground, and it's going to be spreading out for at least a year."


The quakes began last March with the most recent on Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve each occurring within 100 meters of the injection well. The Saturday quake in McDonald, outside of Youngstown, caused no serious injuries or property damage.


Youngstown Democrat Rep. Robert Hagan on Monday renewed his call for a moratorium on fracking and well injection disposal to allow a review of safety issues.


"If it's safe, I want to do it," he said in a telephone interview. "If it's not, I don't want to be part and parcel to destruction of the environment and the fake promise of jobs."


He said a moratorium "really is what we should be doing, mostly toward the injection wells, but we should be asking questions on drilling itself."


A spokesman for Gov. John Kasich, an outspoken supporter of the growing oil and natural gas industry in Ohio, said the shale industry shouldn't be punished for a fracking byproduct.


"That would be the equivalent of shutting down the auto industry because a scrap tire dump caught fire somewhere," said Kasich spokesman Rob Nichols.


He said 177 deep injection wells have operated without incident in Ohio for decades and the Youngstown well was closed within 24 hours of a study detailing how close a Christmas Eve quake was to the well.


The industry-supported Ohio Oil and Gas Association said the rash of quakes was "a rare and isolated event that should not cast doubt about the effectiveness" of injection wells.


Such wells "have been used safely and reliably as a disposal method for wastewater from oil and gas operations in the U.S. since the 1930s," the association's executive vice president, Thomas E. Stewart, said in a statement Monday.


Environmentalists are critical of the hydraulic fracturing process, called fracking, which utilizes chemical-laced water and sand to blast deep into the ground and free the shale gas. Critics fear the process itself or the drilling liquid, which can contain carcinogens, could contaminate water supplies, either below ground, by spills, or in disposed wastewater.


Permits allowing hydraulic fracturing in Ohio's portion of the Marcellus and the deeper Utica Shale formations rose from one in 2006 to at least 32 in 2011.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57351140/expert-drilling-wastewater-caused-ohio-quakes/


[b]More disastrous environmental results of The Repiglican Drill Baby Drill, Dickhead Cheneycrook, Grand Oil Party.

The number of experts who are linking the unusual increased frequency of these quakes, to the Fracking Process, is rapidly increasing.

Another Scientific Fact Of Life, such as....Climate Change, for Repiglican voters to deny as they slurp up the Kool Aid, refuse to respect scientific studies, and continue to vote against their own best interests, and that of future generations.

G.[b]

LWW
01-03-2012, 04:07 PM
All because the demokrooks supported the fracking bill ... yet some slavishly place blame elsewhere, even when there's nothing to actually be blamed for.

pooltchr
01-03-2012, 06:47 PM
I'm sure there were never any earthquakes before fracking. Another doom and gloom, all progress is evil, we should still be living in the stone age post from one of loonie left.

How much fuel does that big ol boat use??????????


Steve

wolfdancer
01-03-2012, 10:33 PM
It seems the two resident defacto petroleum scientist and/or geo-engineers here disagree with your claim. I guess with their vast expertise on all things,especially oil things...we'll jes have to defer to them, until the "fit hits the shan"

Gayle in MD
01-04-2012, 08:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems the two resident defacto petroleum scientist and/or geo-engineers here disagree with your claim. I guess with their vast expertise on all things,especially oil things...we'll jes have to defer to them, until the "fit hits the shan" </div></div>

LOL, what else could we expect from these resident radical RW Authoritarian Loving Lemmings?

Science is their enemy, since their Grand Oil Party has been busy brain washing them for decades in order to continue to make their contributors wealthier, so the Repiglican Party can continue to get their political seats bought for them by the likes of Koch Brothers.

Pay no attention to L., S., or E., since nothing they ever write here has any validity.

Now this is the second time that scientists have come out and stated that Fracking is the most likely cause of these unusual quakes. Can't recall at the moment which other state within the last six months or so, but I think it was either Arkansas or Alabama, where the same thing happened, and the scientific experts were saying the same thing, that it was related to Fracking in the region.

Now lets assume that Fracking isn't the cause, it's still a process that is destroying the quality of our main sources of clean water, not to mention all the proof of higher cancer rates, animals with no fur, dying from illnesses, and pollutants bubbling up out of the ground, and into the air, all of the most threatening things, environmentally, that the little Piggies don't care about, any more than they care about their own children's future ecological circumstances as regards the health of our planet, or the health implication for their kids and grand kids.

I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR A REPPIGLICAN!

The radical RW religious nutjobs have been brain washed for decades by The Grand Oil Party, which cares only about sucking up to the billionaire polluters, pigs like Koch Brothers, and hence, pigs buying pigs, all so that the big pigs will continue to buy their seats for them, and send them around the world on vacations far enough away that no one will be able to identify them with their traveling companions, gay male prostitutes, and hence, blow away the absurd, Family Values Conservatives myth, or highlight the psychologically unbalanced and sicko desperation that accompanies their paranoid condition of Guns, God and Gays.



The definition of Republican Policies: fascism n. a merging of the interests of big corporations and government, adjoined with a systematic curtailment of civil liberties

Gayle in Md.

llotter
01-04-2012, 08:57 AM
Common sense would say that small earthquakes would be much better than large ones. If adding some lubricant would help relieve pressures caused by moving tectonic plates, then so much the better. It isn't like the we can control the plate movement but if we can diminish the built up pressure before waiting for a major quake, we should welcome it.

Gayle in MD
01-04-2012, 09:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Common sense would say that small earthquakes would be much better than large ones. If adding some lubricant would help relieve pressures caused by moving tectonic plates, then so much the better. It isn't like the we can control the plate movement but if we can diminish the built up pressure before waiting for a major quake, we should welcome it. </div></div>


<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>BWA HA HA HA HA HA! </span> </span>

LWW
01-04-2012, 11:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Common sense would say that small earthquakes would be much better than large ones. If adding some lubricant would help relieve pressures caused by moving tectonic plates, then so much the better. It isn't like the we can control the plate movement but if we can diminish the built up pressure before waiting for a major quake, we should welcome it. </div></div>


<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>BWA HA HA HA HA HA! </span> </span> </div></div>

Glad you finally agree all this anti fracking gibberish was just junk science ... or were you just quoting something with big words that you didn't understand?

Gayle in MD
01-05-2012, 01:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Common sense would say that small earthquakes would be much better than large ones. If adding some lubricant would help relieve pressures caused by moving tectonic plates, then so much the better. It isn't like the we can control the plate movement but if we can diminish the built up pressure before waiting for a major quake, we should welcome it. </div></div>

Oh, and BTW, it isn't MY opinion that Fracking is causing irregular, unusual quakes, it is the growing scientific opinion, but then, you righties don't believe in Science at all.

G.

llotter
01-05-2012, 03:22 PM
Unfortunately, 'science' has become quite corrupted by heavy doses of research funds that flow from gov. coffers. The money flows to those who make claims of potential disasters about to happen for whatever reasons can be conjured up. The same adverse money effects occur in public bureaus and agencies as they all want to justify their growing budgets and domains. This is all done with virtually no oversight.

LWW
01-05-2012, 03:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Common sense would say that small earthquakes would be much better than large ones. If adding some lubricant would help relieve pressures caused by moving tectonic plates, then so much the better. It isn't like the we can control the plate movement but if we can diminish the built up pressure before waiting for a major quake, we should welcome it. </div></div>

Oh, and BTW, it isn't MY opinion that Fracking is causing irregular, unusual quakes, it is the growing scientific opinion, but then, you righties don't believe in Science at all.

G. </div></div>

No ... it is the opinion of a sole moonbat crazy leftist/

Gayle in MD
01-05-2012, 04:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unfortunately, 'science' has become quite corrupted by heavy doses of research funds that flow from gov. coffers. The money flows to those who make claims of potential disasters about to happen for whatever reasons can be conjured up. The same adverse money effects occur in public bureaus and agencies as they all want to justify their growing budgets and domains. This is all done with virtually no oversight. </div></div>

You have that exactly backwards, as usual.

It is the energy corporations, pharmaceuticals, Insurance, health industry, all of them in cahoots with the Repigicans, such as Dickhead Cheneycrook, (The Halliburton Loophole....) who are bought and piad for with corporate money, so that they can be as careless as they wish, which results in endangering our environment. The buy and pay for their own Scientists, to create false information and fake studies, to contradict Scientists from all over the world, and the radical RW fascist Supreme Court, which is in cahoots with corporate money, all working together to destroy our democracy, and remove safeguards for the environment.

Climate change is real, annd threatens our environment. These Earthquakes are being studied by respected Scientists.

The right has been brainwashed to pooh pooh everything Scientific, too stupid to follow the money of the corporate fascist pigs, who ony care about profits, and care nothing about what thhey are doing to this planet.

Bush was the absolute worst president in environmental matters. He pushed through disastrous environmental attacks, even in our National Parks.

They have already chopped down the mountain tops in the Appalachains, Fracked pollutants into our water, and air, removed limits of the disastrous pollution from Coal, and none of your supposedly patriotic nutjobs give a damn about the future of this beautiful planet, or the dangers for your children and grannd children.

Think about that the next time you sing America the Beautiful.


The definition of Republican Policies: fascism n. a merging of the interests of big corporations and government, adjoined with a systematic curtailment of civil liberties

Gayle in Md.

llotter
01-05-2012, 06:54 PM
From whatever source, money has had a very corrupting influence on what we all used to accept as factual when the 'scientists' made there pronouncements. So everyone should be advised to be careful when anything claims to be scientifically valid.

Gayle in MD
01-05-2012, 07:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From whatever source, money has had a very corrupting influence on what we all used to accept as factual when the 'scientists' made there pronouncements. So everyone should be advised to be careful when anything claims to be scientifically valid. </div></div>

These opinions, regarding climate change, air and water pollution from Fracking, devastating ecological pollutants from reckless, careless management by the coal industry, (as well as The Theory Of Evolution) all are agreed overwhelmingly, as dangerous to our environment, by scientific studies and the resulting opinions of the global scientific community, not just Scientists in this country.

On the dangers of climate change, which is A REAL AND URGENT THREAT, the most prestigious organization representing the Global Scientific Community is in nearly unanimous agreement, as is also true regarding The Theory Of Evolution.

G.