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Qtec
01-07-2012, 02:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a family-values divide between red states and blue states, two researchers say, but the differences might surprise people on both sides of the political spectrum. The states that voted Democratic in the last two presidential elections have the lowest rates of divorce and teen pregnancies. And the red states had the highest. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RAZ: In the book, you talk about the blue family system and the red family systems. Define the terms here. What's the blue family system, and what's the red family system?

Prof. CARBONE: The single biggest difference between the two is the notion of age of marriage or childbearing. We see this blue system as one that says grow up first, be established, be financially sound, then have a family. The red family system says it's very important to avoid too much premarital sexuality. So you're going to move lockstep from school into employment and marriage fairly soon. You're not going to wait until you're fully established. You're going to get married and have children younger.

RAZ: And now, you found that the lowest divorce rates in the country tend to be in blue states. The highest divorce rates tend to be in states that voted - so-called red states that voted Republican in 2004, 2008. I think a lot of people would be surprised by that. It seems to suggest that places that are more politically left of center tend to reflect what we might regard as having more traditional family values.

Prof. CARBONE: We were astonished to find how closely the vote, especially in 2004, to a strong degree in 2008, maps on to family structure. Here's the thing that's happened in the blue world. What you have is, again, a system, far more independence. And we find that people who do marry later late 20s, early 30s you've got a pretty good sense who's going to be successful and stable and a good marriage partner at 30. You're still guessing at 22.

So one of the things that's happened is with a later average age of marriage, successful people are more likely to marry other successful people. And what you're finding is the group that is getting married at that later age knows what they're doing.

RAZ: Why do you think the data is so different based on the political orientation of a state?

Prof. CARBONE: When we looked at the numbers and we said, where is the world changing? If we wanted to know whether a state was shifting from Republican to Democratic - states like Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, New Hampshire is very interesting in this regard, though it happened earlier - where you see a big drop in teen pregnancies, those states are shifting from being more Republican to more Democratic. </div></div>

link (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126653602)

Q

cushioncrawler
01-07-2012, 02:42 AM
This iz of much interest to krappynomicysts.
Krappynomicysts know that there iz a sucker born every minute.
Red, blue, iddonemadder.
Soon, very soon, the game will change, and krappynomicysts will be center stage.
The fundamentals of the usofa whatever are sound.
mac.

LWW
01-07-2012, 03:58 AM
Great points ... too bad they are made up.

Nevada has the highest divorce rate followed by Arkansas. The thing which skews this stat is that there are some leftist states where marriage is becoming extinct with ever more people co-habitating ... and one cannot get a divorce unless married.

Even your link supports that.

As for high teen pregnancy, Nevada leads again ... and you try so hard.

JUMPING BUTTERBALLS! (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0923080.html)
LEAPING LIZARDS! (http://womensissues.about.com/od/datingandsex/a/TeenPregStates.htm)

Qtec
01-07-2012, 05:44 AM
States ranked by rates of live births among women age 15-19 (births per thousand):

Mississippi (71)
Texas (69)
Arizona (67)
Arkansas (66)
New Mexico (66)
Georgia (63)
Louisiana (62)
Nevada (61)
Alabama (61)
Oklahoma (60)


Q.......one out of ten? Lets not forget that Nevada includes Las Vegas! A den of sin according to some.

LWW
01-07-2012, 06:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">States ranked by rates of live births among women age 15-19 (births per thousand):

Mississippi (71)
Texas (69)
Arizona (67)
Arkansas (66)
New Mexico (66)
Georgia (63)
Louisiana (62)
Nevada (61)
Alabama (61)
Oklahoma (60)


Q.......one out of ten? Lets not forget that Nevada includes Las Vegas! A den of sin according to some.


</div></div>

Odd that your source of "TRUTH" counted live births and not pregnancies.

Snoopy ... hoist by his own petard.

Again.

And again.

And again.

Gayle in MD
01-07-2012, 06:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a family-values divide between red states and blue states, two researchers say, but the differences might surprise people on both sides of the political spectrum. The states that voted Democratic in the last two presidential elections have the lowest rates of divorce and teen pregnancies. And the red states had the highest. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RAZ: In the book, you talk about the blue family system and the red family systems. Define the terms here. What's the blue family system, and what's the red family system?

Prof. CARBONE: The single biggest difference between the two is the notion of age of marriage or childbearing. We see this blue system as one that says grow up first, be established, be financially sound, then have a family. The red family system says it's very important to avoid too much premarital sexuality. So you're going to move lockstep from school into employment and marriage fairly soon. You're not going to wait until you're fully established. You're going to get married and have children younger.

RAZ: And now, you found that the lowest divorce rates in the country tend to be in blue states. The highest divorce rates tend to be in states that voted - so-called red states that voted Republican in 2004, 2008. I think a lot of people would be surprised by that. It seems to suggest that places that are more politically left of center tend to reflect what we might regard as having more traditional family values.

Prof. CARBONE: We were astonished to find how closely the vote, especially in 2004, to a strong degree in 2008, maps on to family structure. Here's the thing that's happened in the blue world. What you have is, again, a system, far more independence. And we find that people who do marry later late 20s, early 30s you've got a pretty good sense who's going to be successful and stable and a good marriage partner at 30. You're still guessing at 22.

So one of the things that's happened is with a later average age of marriage, successful people are more likely to marry other successful people. And what you're finding is the group that is getting married at that later age knows what they're doing.

RAZ: Why do you think the data is so different based on the political orientation of a state?

Prof. CARBONE: When we looked at the numbers and we said, where is the world changing? If we wanted to know whether a state was shifting from Republican to Democratic - states like Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, New Hampshire is very interesting in this regard, though it happened earlier - where you see a big drop in teen pregnancies, those states are shifting from being more Republican to more Democratic. </div></div>

link (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126653602)

Q </div></div>

This doesn't surprise me at all. I'd also be willing to wager that the relationship between Blue state parents, and their grown children remains far closer and more enduring than in the Red States.

I've watched many people raise their kids, and the worst way of all is to deny reality, and dump a lot of guilt onto kids, for having humann, natureal instincts, while pretending as a parent to be something that you aren't.

Mother's, particularly, need to be honest and open with their daughters about their sexuality, and about the harsh realities of life. It's been my experience that ultra religious parents, fail miserably on that count. The most important thing about raising kids is to realize that authenticity has to be the hallmark of your relationship with your kids. Once they think you are so "Old Fashioned" that you can't begin to grasp their world, they clam up, and then you've lost them for good.

G.

G.

Qtec
01-07-2012, 07:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">States ranked by rates of live births among women age 15-19 (births per thousand):

Mississippi (71)
Texas (69)
Arizona (67)
Arkansas (66)
New Mexico (66)
Georgia (63)
Louisiana (62)
Nevada (61)
Alabama (61)
Oklahoma (60)


Q.......one out of ten? Lets not forget that Nevada includes Las Vegas! A den of sin according to some.


</div></div>

Odd that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>your source of "TRUTH"</span> counted live births and not pregnancies.

Snoopy ... hoist by his own petard.

Again.

And again.

And again. </div></div>

Actually numbnuts, its YOUR source!!!!!

link (http://womensissues.about.com/od/datingandsex/a/TeenPregStates.htm)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">States ranked by rates of pregnancy among women age 15-19 (pregnancies per thousand):

Nevada (113)
Arizona (104)
Mississippi (103)
New Mexico (103)
Texas (101)
Florida (97)
California (96)
Georgia (95)
North Carolina (95)
Arkansas (93 </div></div>

What a dork you are sometimes.

Q

cushioncrawler
01-07-2012, 02:38 PM
Green States -- when will the usofa hav Green States?
mac.

LWW
01-10-2012, 05:36 AM
Yes, and you chose the set of stats which don't apply to this argument.

Next deflection please?

Qtec
01-10-2012, 06:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, and you chose the set of stats which don't apply to this argument.

Next deflection please? </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Odd that your source of "TRUTH" counted <span style='font-size: 17pt'>live births</span> and <span style='font-size: 17pt'>not pregnancies.</span> </div></div>

Q.. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">States ranked by <span style='font-size: 17pt'>rates of pregnancy</span> among women age 15-19 (pregnancies per thousand):

Nevada (113)
Arizona (104)
Mississippi (103)
New Mexico (103)
Texas (101)
Florida (97)
California (96)
Georgia (95)
North Carolina (95)
Arkansas (93 </div></div>

I might be wrong by it looks to me like 9 out of the 10 states are republican Red states.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, and you chose the set of stats which don't apply to this argument. </div></div>

????????????????

Q

LWW
01-10-2012, 07:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I might be wrong ...

Q </div></div>

And you should be used to it by now.

Qtec
01-12-2012, 08:53 AM
Did you know Iowa receives more from the Fed Govt than they pay in taxes?
Just like most Red states, they are dependants.

Q......most people on food stamps are white.

LWW
01-12-2012, 04:34 PM
And?