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llotter
01-23-2012, 06:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith" </div></div>

another one describing our current situation:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money” </div></div>

LWW
01-23-2012, 06:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith" </div></div>

another one describing our current situation:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money” </div></div>
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Those who need to comprehend this are too deeply invested in the lie to be likely candidates to do so.

Soflasnapper
01-23-2012, 01:10 PM
A great thinker saw one possible death knell for the republic, from a long time ago (his book was published c. 1835).

Another great thinker saw another likely death knell for the republic, a generation later, toward the end of the near-death experience for the republic, the Civil War, which de Tocqueville didn't forsee, and didn't figure into his predictions:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."

-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)

Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY) </div></div> Here. (http://www.ratical.org/corporations/Lincoln.html)

Of the two factions that could gain control and thereby ruin the republic, isn't it clear that it is the corporations with the whip hand, by far, relative to the far less powerful, and more diffuse, power of the greedy people?

If you made a list of the largest economic organizations in the world, the top 100 would be dominated by corporations, many of whom enjoy profits greater than entire country's gdps.

Put another way, 'the money power' Lincoln refers to is the titanic power of the huge aggregation of private wealth. Another name for it was 'the money trust.' Which was never in the public sphere, but a private sector power group.

Any number of US presidents, including Founding Father types like Thomas Jefferson, explained that the republic was in mortal combat against the private interests of the few over the good of the country.

eg8r
01-23-2012, 01:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
</div></div>Based on this part of his quote what do you think he was saying should be done about this if it should happen (seems to be going on now)?

eg8r

Soflasnapper
01-23-2012, 01:52 PM
The pushback method is well known, and actually was put into place, under a string of Republican presidents during the Progressive Era.

Significant reining in of the corporate abuses by the alphabet regulatory agencies, many of which were created in the late 1800s through first decade or two of the 20th century. (The FDA, the Interstate Commerce Commission, the Railroad Commission, etc.)

In that time frame, both parties created anti-trust planks to their election platforms, anti-trust meaning anti-monopoly, leading to the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Theodore Roosevelt called out 'the malefactors of great wealth' in what today would be considered 'class warfare' to the nth degree, and pushed through the idea of an estate tax, to leaven out the transgenerational growth of wealth. And the Congress outlawed corporate or union political contributions.