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Qtec
02-12-2012, 05:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Andrew Breitbart is angry.

On Friday night, the conservative muckraker accosted activists who were protesting the 2012 Conservative Political Action Conference. Emily Crockett of Campus Progress was on hand to capture the remarkable tirade on video.

Breitbart screamed at the protesters to 'behave yourself' repeatedly. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>He also called the protesters freaks and animals and told them to 'stop raping people.'
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<span style='font-size: 20pt'>It's pretty entertaining.</span>

Watch the full video below: </div></div>

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/11/andrew-breitbart-freaks-o_n_1270390.html)

Protesters equal rapists???????????????

Q

LWW
02-12-2012, 08:56 AM
Rape and sexual assauly at Occupy WallStreet. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47342)

Gay rape at Occupy Wall Street. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47342)

Rape at Occupy Baltimore ... while the occupiers watched and refused to help, and even blocked reporting of the event. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47342)

Gang rape at Occupy Glasgow. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Sexual assault at Occupy Lawrence. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Sexual assault, along with making victims drink urine, at Occupy Toronto ... and occupiers doing away with evidence to protect the guilty. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47342)

Child pornography at Occupy Chicago. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

10M vandalism at Occupy Fort Collins. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Molotov cocktails thrown, grenades found, at Occupy Portland. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Arson at Occupy Seattle. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

A dozen assaults in 24 hours at Occupy San Francisco. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Human being set on fire at Occupy Los Angeles. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

News reporter assaulted at Occupy San Diego. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Heroin dealers arrested in tent with 6 year old boy at Occupy Boston. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Tuberculosis outbreak at Occupy Atlanta. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Got it.

Soflasnapper
02-17-2012, 01:54 PM
Imagine my shock to discover a competing claim, that Breitbart's list is schlock and awe(ful). /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Shocked, I say!!! Or... SCHLOCKED!!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 06:00 PM PST
Debunking Breitbart's "Occupy Rape List"

by Keith Olbermann

You saw the video of his mad rant against Occupy, then you saw the "list"cobbled together in far too much of a hurry to rationalize the rant, then the new video from World Net Daily of all people, showing Andy Breitbart drinking before the rant (and breaking, in cartoon fashion, his wine glass).

What you have not seen are the facts behind the transparently dishonest "list" with which Breitbart is trying to smear Occupy as rapists. Sadly, it appears his people's efforts consisted of finding stories in which both the word "Occupy" and some report of sexual misconduct.

It doesn't look like anybody bothered to read the links. Nearly every one of the stories shows Occupy participants were the victims and not the alleged perpetrators, or the incidents had nothing to do with Occupy.

[...]

But however hilarious Breitbart's self-destruction might be, the subject of rape itself is no laughing matter. The allegation that a political or cultural group condones or encourages rape and sexual assault, against anyone, is virtually as serious a charge as can be levelled. Yet nearly just as bad, is to fabricate, twist, and alter facts, to make it seem like such a charge against such a group has credence.

Mr. Breitbart and his websites have now promulgated a list of what his people boast are 17 rapes at Occupy protests between October 16th and November 19th. 17 stories and links, headlined "Rapes and Various Sexual Crimes" and all of them attributed to Occupy.

It turns out Breitbart and his people have padded this, by listing some stories twice. And in nearly every case, Breitbart's crew has twisted nearly every one of the allegations in the stories. The idea seems to have been to make as long a list as possible, and assume that your supporters will never bother to link through to the stories, let alone follow-up to find their true outcomes.

Those who do bother will find Mr. Breitbart and his colleagues, are lying:.


Story number one: Madison, Wisconsin. Turns out this is the story of Occupy Madison losing its permit for a few days, in part because of a charge of public masturbation. No charges, no names, no evidence, and even the head of the local business association that brought the complaint, one Mary Carbine, was emphatic that the behavior was, quote, "not necessarily by the protestors themselves." Breitbart's people evidently never read the update at the bottom of the post.

Number two: Cleveland, refers to an alleged assault of a member of Occupy Cleveland. No arrests, and the police offer no indication the alleged assailant was a member of Occupy.

Number three: Seattle, turns out to be the arrest of a man for indecent exposure in schoolyards and other parks, not at Occupy Seattle. Detectives say they were told the suspect had been "seen" at Occupy, and again they make no claim he was associated with Occupy.

Number four: Cleveland. This is the same story as Number two. Listed twice. This time a Fox News video is linked.

Number five, Dallas. Despite the Breitbart headline: "Police Investigating Possible Sexual Assault Of Teen At Occupy Dallas," the alleged assault victimtold police the sex in question was consensual. She would not press charges nor cooperate with authorities. The claim that there was an assault originates with one local tv station's anonymous source in the Dallas police department.

Number six: Portland, Oregon. The registered address that a sex offender gave authorities, turned out to be the same address as the Occupy Portland camp. The police have no evidence he was ever there, nor do any witnesses place him there.</div></div>

More detail at the link (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/15/1065161/-Debunking-Breitbart-s-Occupy-Rape-List-?showAll=yes&via=blog_607528), looking at each of the 17 alleged cases.

In summary:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> So. Seventeen stories Breitbart claims are cases of Rape at Occupy. Just reading the stories, googling the names of those identified, following up - this only took me about 70 minutes. The final result:

-- Two stories on the list were duplicates.
-- One story turns out to have been about consensual sex.
-- One case, in Scotland, led the Occupy group to disband for the sake of safety.
-- One case of an arrest for child porn, with Occupy immediately banning the alleged perpetrator.
-- One case of a girl disappearing -- ignoring the fact that she was home and unharmed a month later.
-- Four cases in which police said neither the victim nor the assailant were apparently even associated with Occupy.

That leaves seven others stories, all of which show police identifying Occupy participants as the victims, six of which show police identifying the alleged assailants as not being Occupy participants.

That is the evidence that Andrew Breitbart has submitted to rationalize his irrational attempt to smear the Occupy movement and Occupy members, as rapists, and to brand anybody who points out his dishonesty, his twisting of the facts, and who bothers to actually read the stories that disprove his own contention, as a rape denier or rape apologist. What Mr. Breitbart and his fellow propagandists have done, in fact, is to take at least eight women, eight members of Occupy, who were raped or otherwise assaulted, and blamed them.

But he is not just perpetrating the classic fabrication con of the dishonest man for whom facts are malleable and can be ignored when they are inconvenient. More importantly, Breitbart is exploiting rape victims, blaming rape victims. And no woman, no man - conservative, liberal, or indifferent - can abide this despicable attempt to take individual human suffering, and by lying at the top of his voice, try to score cheap political points.</div></div>

To be fair, Brietbart seems to have a drinking problem, or at least is drunk a fair amount of the time he's in public and commenting at events, if perhaps that is not a drinking problem but rather just a man who likes to drink a lot at all times.

To be more complete, even Brietbart is now reversing his line of argument, and agreeing that the OWS crowd were victims in these cases, not perpetrators.

Good as a start, but then he has to explain how he was smearing some thousands as perverts and filthy, filthy, did I say FILTHY!!! rapists, etc., when he now claims he really meant the 1 to 2 to 3 of those outsiders who may have been perps at that scene.

Probably hard for a drunk to come up with that answer. But I'm rooting for him!

LWW
02-17-2012, 05:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Rape and sexual assauly at Occupy WallStreet. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47342)

Gay rape at Occupy Wall Street. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47342)

Rape at Occupy Baltimore ... while the occupiers watched and refused to help, and even blocked reporting of the event. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47342)

Gang rape at Occupy Glasgow. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Sexual assault at Occupy Lawrence. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Sexual assault, along with making victims drink urine, at Occupy Toronto ... and occupiers doing away with evidence to protect the guilty. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47342)

Child pornography at Occupy Chicago. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

10M vandalism at Occupy Fort Collins. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Molotov cocktails thrown, grenades found, at Occupy Portland. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Arson at Occupy Seattle. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

A dozen assaults in 24 hours at Occupy San Francisco. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Human being set on fire at Occupy Los Angeles. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

News reporter assaulted at Occupy San Diego. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Heroin dealers arrested in tent with 6 year old boy at Occupy Boston. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Tuberculosis outbreak at Occupy Atlanta. (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490)

Got it. </div></div>

Got it yet?

Soflasnapper
02-18-2012, 08:43 PM
In what respect do you dispute Keith Olbermann's debunking of this very list? Brietbart's answer to his debunking was the same as yours, to simply repost the list. That's all you got?

LWW
02-19-2012, 03:50 AM
If you feel you can debunk it, go ahead.

If you feel Keith O is a qualified source ... may God help you.

Soflasnapper
02-19-2012, 12:33 PM
If your 'argument' is that everything KO said he found in his research is automatically false, nothing true, so everything BREITBART said is true, you've gotten the relative credibility of the sources backwards.

But you declare victory and then retreat. Clearly better than trying to argue the case-- good show!