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LWW
02-21-2012, 03:20 AM
The actual science has been researched and the much ballyhooed "VIRGINIA RAPE BILL SCANDAL" has been exposed as just another example of a moonbat crazy leftist with a blog spoon feeding the naive, the brainwashed, the hyper-partisan and the downright stupid with the raw meat of hate.

The trans-vaginal ultrasound is the only type of ultrasound that would be capable of fulfilling the law at a gestational age of more than 28 days but less than 42 days.

Since surgical abortions aren't done before six weeks, this means that approximately zero percent of women would be required to undergo this procedure at all ... but of course, a moonbat crazy leftists can see "ZERO" and see "MOST" at the same time, and the willingly ignorant will lap up the lie with glee.

The left has been pimped ... again. (http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2012/02/17/yes-virginia-there-is-a-baby-in-there/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

OH DEAR! (http://www.choicesinc.net/abortion_procedures__first_times.htm)

Soflasnapper
02-21-2012, 11:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Surgical Abortions:

First Trimester

Syringe Abortion

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Performed as early as eight days after conception.</span></div></div>

From your link.

You know, sometimes semi-anonymous diarists at Red State simply do not know what they're talking about.

LWW
02-21-2012, 11:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Surgical Abortions:

First Trimester

Syringe Abortion

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Performed as early as eight days after conception.</span></div></div>

From your link.

You know, sometimes semi-anonymous diarists at Red State simply do not know what they're talking about.

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Which could not be determined by either type of ultrasound ... but at least you tried.

Soflasnapper
02-21-2012, 12:58 PM
It's used from as early as 8 days after conception, to at least the 42 day threshhold. So, yes, in that magic gestational period when there is a possibility for imaging, but it requires the TV probe to get a good enough image as is required by the law's direct language, there is a surgical procedure in use-- this one.

So for the time period you admit would require the TV probe for imaging, this is the procedure for which its use would be required by the law, in order to fulfill the law's stated measurement requirements to determine the gestational age, and dimensions of the embryo.

Now that you've understood the claimed issue that you pretended no one had explained, you are more than halfway there. Just a little further, and you will understand this factual background.

LWW
02-21-2012, 04:06 PM
Why do you persist in lying.

AS NOTED (http://www.prochoice.org/education/cme/online_cme/m4ultrasound.asp#3) by the pro abortion crowd:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Transabdominal ultrasound cannot reliably diagnose pregnancies that are &lt; 6 weeks' gestation. Transvaginal ultrasound, by contrast, can detect pregnancies earlier, at approximately 4 to 5 weeks' gestation. Prompt diagnosis made possible by TVU can, therefore, result in earlier treatment.</div></div>


It is insane to claim, number one, that anything beyond a minute number of women are seeking an abortion at less than 30 days gestational age.

For those that are ... neither system will work to even verify that a pregnancy exists.

For someone seeking an abortion between the ages of 30 and 42 days, yes TVU would be the only means available.

Would that amount to your sources definition of "MOST WOMEN" as it claims" Only in the mind of a zealot and or a fool.

Would it be "REQUIRED" of women? Certainly not. Anyone seeking an abortion in this magic 12 day window that has the pro death crowd in fainting spells would have several options:

1 - Wait 12 days.

2 - Cross a state line.

Next foolish claim?

Soflasnapper
02-21-2012, 05:02 PM
Why do you persist in lying.[sic, no ? in original]

I may have been mistaken that looking into it more, you'd eventually understand the facts, but that was not a deliberate lie. It does appear untrue on this and abundant other evidence, however, and I regret my error in presuming you could change.

So, now you've gone from 'WTF are you talking about-- nothing in the bill says that???' to 'oh, THAT time frame might involve requiring that procedure, but it won't happen to <s>more than 2 persons ever</s> hardly anyone, ever, and they should just wait it out anyway.' Which is indeed good progress, although your confidence in the claim that this will involve nugatory numbers of women seems unfounded, if not amounting to the practice of obstetrics without a license. (If you are a medical doctor with that specialty, I take that back.)

Now that you've admitted the predicate of the critics' point (even while discounting its extent), wait for the coup d'gras.

There is another bill pending or now perhaps passed in Virginia-- the fetus is a person bill. Guess what happens to the majority of fetuses?-- they are lost by natural causes.

Under equal protection of the law, the womb police may very well mandate this procedure to make sure any and all <s>zygotes/embryos/fetuses</s> tiny but full and complete human beings with every right any born person enjoys, make it out of the zygote/blastocyst/embryo stage to live more of their life.

LWW
02-22-2012, 03:17 AM
Nothing in the bill says that it is required at all ... thanks for tripping up and admitting that.

The 12 day window analogy was to demonstate that even if every claim made by the author was true ... and none of them are ... it still wouldn't be required and in no way, shape or form would approach "MOST" even if it was required.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled delusion.

Soflasnapper
02-22-2012, 05:55 PM
How many state rapes occurring would be ok? Ten? A hundred? Three? A thousand?

Already the governor is signalling he's wavering about signing this, even as the vote in the Senate was delayed over concerns.

If it's passed, look for it to be shot down by the SCOTUS quickly, as posing 'an undue burden' on those seeking abortion services.