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DiabloViejo
02-24-2012, 12:44 PM
Class warfare? The GOP has strayed so far to the right that Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater would be considered flaming liberal leftists by today's right wing freaks.

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Soflasnapper
02-24-2012, 03:22 PM
Conservatism can never fail, it can only be failed (by persons insufficiently conservative carrying the standard).

So, every GOP president who failed on this or that score is deemed insufficiently conservative, not a real conservative, and even a RINO, despite what everyone thought in real time when they were around.

Reagan got that treatment when alive and in office, from the movement conservatives, over his hugely increased deficits and debt, but more, over his willingness to engage the Soviet Union in arms control treaties. Richard Vigurie pronounced him 'a useful idiot for the Soviets,' which hurt doubly, by first using the term idiot, but worse, using the phrase Lenin used about western LIBERALS.

Now, as memory recedes, perhaps in tribute to the man himself and his mental deterioration in his final years, all those blemishes have been airbrushed lovingly from the framed pictures of what is claimed to have been his conservative reign.

LWW
02-24-2012, 07:48 PM
Why does Obama oppose the Reagan era tax policies?

DiabloViejo
02-24-2012, 08:04 PM
Why don't you ask Obama directly. You can e-mail him at:
The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact)

LWW
02-25-2012, 04:43 AM
The answer is self evident to intelligent people.

I was giving the cabal here one more opportunity to demonstrate that they could form an opinion independent from the party spoon.

Sadly, but not unexpectedly, the answer is no.

LWW
02-25-2012, 04:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Class warfare? The GOP has strayed so far to the right that Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater would be considered flaming liberal leftists by today's right wing freaks.

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What a foolish statement.

To correct the record:

1 - Reagan's tax policy of reduced rates and eliminating deductions did cause the wealthy to shoulder a heavier load.

2 - The Carter, and proposed by Obama, plans of higher rates with a near googleplex of loopholes shifts the tax burden away from the rich and back pnto the middle class ... and cause less total revenue.

3 - Every remaining (R) candidate supports a tax plan similar to Reagan's.

4 - Every (D) presidential nominee since Reagan ... and virtually every (D) in congress opposes such thinking.

5 - Obama's own vaunted deficit commission came up with a tax plan of lowered rates and lesser deductions ... which caused O-cultist heads to spin. Obama rejected it.

6 - Anyone who believes that Romney/Santorum/Gingrich are to the right of Reagan is a clueless tool of the current regime.

7 - The same things being said about the current crop of (R) candidates being "RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS" is simply the same boilerplate jibba jabba that was spoon fed to dembots against Reagan ... and Bush I and II ... and Dole ... and Ford ... and Nixon ... and Goldwater ... and Ike.

8 - Reagan was, at best/worst, a centrist.

9 - The left has deified JFK as a sainted godking ... in spite of the fact that he was well to the right of Reagan, and had a tax plan very similar.

10 - It is the (D) party ... to which I used to belong ... of JFK/HHH/Ed Muskie/Zell Miller that has been hijacked by radical jihadis.

11 - This is all beyond the cabal's comprehension.

LWW
02-25-2012, 05:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ronald Reagan was a leftist?</div></div>

Here is your answer:

LEARN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpH5L8zCtSk)

Soflasnapper
02-25-2012, 11:27 AM
Yes, Reagan talked a good game before he became president.

(This was from '64.)

Once in the Oval Office, however, and after he was very nearly killed and the trauma of needing what-- a dozen units of blood transfused or something-- he was an enfeebled and changed man, led around to various policy prescriptions by his previous polar opposites as Republicans-- GHW Bush, and Gerald Ford's previous campaign manager against Reagan, James A. Baker III, ensconced as his chief policy aide in the famous Troika of aides (w/Michael Deaver and Edwin Meese).

Movement conservatives noticed his straying from the conservative doctrines, and pled, 'Let Reagan be Reagan.' Meaning that in their view, the Reagan they were experiencing was far different from the Reagan they thought they'd help elect.

And not on the 'more conservative' side, but the 'less conservative to even liberal side.'

And to call the routine boilerplate language of the need to defend freedom 'conservative' is absurd. FDR could have, and likely did, make similar speeches in war time, as were the citations Reagan made of Churchill made in that same war. Certainly, while there may have been cries for peace at all costs prior to our entering the war, those did not come from FDR, who was not a pacifist or a Quaker but a realist.

Soflasnapper
02-25-2012, 12:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ronald Reagan was a leftist?</div></div>

Here is your answer:

LEARN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpH5L8zCtSk)
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Ha! LEARN THIS! (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2457&dat=19871204&id=KrNJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yA4NAAAAIBAJ&pg=6802,4089308)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>Conservatives denouce Reagan, form group to oppose arms treaty</span>

"Ronald Reagan is a very weak man with a strong wife and a strong staff," said Howard Phillips, chairman of the Conservative Caucus and co-chairman of the Anti-Appeasement Alliance.

"He becomes a useful idiot for Soviet propaganda," said Phillips.

Richard Viguerie, a conservative fund-raiser and the other co-chairman of the new group, said Reagan "is now aligned with his former adversaries, the liberals, the Democrats and the Soviets." ...

"We feel alienated, abandoned, and rejected by the president. I feel I no longer know him."

"The president insulted the conservative movement last night," said L. Brent Bozell III, chairman of the Conservative Victory Committee.
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