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DiabloViejo
02-24-2012, 04:26 PM
FEBRUARY 19, 2012 6:22PM
Why Rick Santorum would have killed my daughter
Open Salon (http://open.salon.com/blog/sarah_gale/2012/02/19/why_rick_santorum_would_have_killed_my_daughter_1)

Next month, my daughter Ella will turn 11-years-old. She’s a beautiful girl, with blond hair and green eyes. She’s an amazing artist, a brilliant writer, and she can do the splits without even warming up.

And if I hadn’t had an amniocentesis, she would have died the day she was born.

Just over 11 years ago, I received a call from my obstetrician’s assistant to let me know that there was an anomaly in my recent blood test. “It’s probably just a testing error,” she assured me.

But when I returned the following week to have the blood test redone, the anomaly showed up again. There was a foreign antibody in my blood stream that shouldn’t have been there. I was six months pregnant, and up to that point my pregnancy had been completely normal.

Rather than turning to my local politician for prenatal advice, I followed the guidance of my obstetrician, who sent me to a perinatologist, who recommended I have an amniocentesis. Because he had a medical degree and years of experience treating pregnant women, I followed his recommendation.

That day, he stuck an alarmingly long needle directly into my growing belly to sample the amniotic fluid around my baby. The results weren’t good. She had Rh negative disease.

Rh negative disease occurs when a mother has a negative blood type and a baby has a positive blood type. My negative blood perceived Ella’s positive blood as a foreign body that it needed to destroy. And that’s what it was doing. Every day, little by little, my body was wiping out every one of her red blood cells.

Before the 1960s, Rh negative disease was responsible for the deaths of thousands of babies whose mothers, like me, had negative blood. They usually carried their babies to term and gave birth to them, only to have them die or suffer extreme brain damage as a result of the anemia and jaundice that occurs with this illness.

In the 60s, a drug called RhoGAM was approved by the FDA to prevent this disease, and it has since saved hundreds of thousands of lives. In almost every case when it is administered in time it is effective. But in my case, it wasn’t.

Amniocentesis is the recommended test to diagnose this disease, and it enables doctors to define a course of action to treat and monitor these babies for the best possible medical outcome. Had I not had that amniocentesis I likely would not have discovered that she had this illness. I would have carried her to term, given birth to her, and watched her die in my arms.

Instead, thanks to the amniocentesis, my doctor tracked her progress relentlessly. Every week after that I had another (expensive) prenatal screening test, called a serial ultrasound, through which he was able to monitor the anemia that grew steadily worse as more of her blood cells were destroyed -- and track the development of her lungs so that she could be delivered at the best possible moment for her safety. The day he saw that her lungs could function on their own, he delivered her.

Ella was born four weeks premature, a tiny five-pound bag of bones, with bright yellow hair and eerily orange skin from the jaundice. Within hours of her birth she was given a full blood transfusion – they replaced every single drop of her damaged blood with new blood that would save her life. Then she spent the next five days in the NICU with cotton blinders taped over her eyes and five bilirubin lights shining on her to reduce the jaundice, while my husband and I took turns sitting at her side round the clock, watching her struggle to survive.

For months after she came home, she had to have weekly blood tests to make sure the anemia was in control. They had to draw the blood from her heel because her fingers were too tiny to prick. Finally, at three months her own defenses kicked in and she started producing her own red blood cells.

Happily, she made a full recovery and has no lingering effects from the disease. And it’s all thanks to that one medical test.

If Rick Santorum had his way, I wouldn’t have been able to get that test, and she most likely would have died. Because according to him, tests that give parents vital information about the health of their unborn children are morally wrong. Though he has no medical training, and no business commenting on the medical decisions that women and their doctors make, he argues that such tests shouldn’t be provided, or that employers at least should be allowed to opt out of paying for them on “moral grounds.”

Eleven years ago, my husband and I had two kids and a mortgage, and like most young families we didn’t have $2,000 to pay for a test that my husband’s employer might object to on moral grounds.

So, while Mr. Santorum may think that his blowhard opinions about when and where women should be allowed to have medical tests is righteous, I say it’s ignorance.

In the Catholic church where I was raised, pride, arrogance and an overinflated sense of oneself were considered sins. But in Rick Santorum’s world they are virtues, and they make up the foundation from which he proclaims how other people should live their lives.

When I read stories in the news about countries where women are prevented access to birth control, or the freedom to work, or the right to make choices about their bodies and their lives, I wonder how a leadership with such crazy ideals could ever gain power. But as I look at what’s happening in the debates leading up to this presidential election in our own country, it has become chillingly evident.

As a nation, we are at the precipice of a slippery slope where men in power are arguing about how to take basic rights away from women. I shudder to think what lays at the bottom of that slope, but if Rick Santorum has his way we will all soon find out.

LWW
02-25-2012, 05:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If Rick Santorum had his way, I wouldn’t have been able to get that test, and she most likely would have died. Because according to him, tests that give parents vital information about the health of their unborn children are morally wrong. </div></div>

Seriously?

Can you provide a direct quote from a reputable source to substantiate this?

Of course you can't.

Did you read the comments in your link?

Of course you didn't. If you would have you would have seen a stream of people challenging this claim ... and nobody able to back it up.

Would you ever dare to question the party when it spoon feeds you the raw meat of hate?

Obviously not.

eg8r
02-27-2012, 09:37 AM
This reminds me of the blowhard opinions Gayle had about Tim Tebow's mother deciding to give birth. We thank God everyday Tim's mother did not listen to blowhards like Gayle. Sometimes "moral grounds" saves lives.

eg8r

LWW
02-27-2012, 12:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If Rick Santorum had his way, I wouldn’t have been able to get that test, and she most likely would have died. Because according to him, tests that give parents vital information about the health of their unborn children are morally wrong. </div></div>

Seriously?

Can you provide a direct quote from a reputable source to substantiate this?

Of course you can't.

Did you read the comments in your link?

Of course you didn't. If you would have you would have seen a stream of people challenging this claim ... and nobody able to back it up.

Would you ever dare to question the party when it spoon feeds you the raw meat of hate?

Obviously not. </div></div>

Bump for SF.

DiabloViejo
02-27-2012, 06:05 PM
"Slick Rick" Santorum...doesn't want insurance companies paying for simple prenatal tests that can determine if a child will be born with a severe disability or mental illness. Yes, Rick Santorum, the man who would gladly force his own daughter to carry a rapist's child to birth is against amniocentesis.

Amniocentesis can detect the telltale chromosonal abnormalities that indicate Down's Syndrome, and can also detect a wide range of other chromosonal abnormalities which can cause severe physical and mental abnormalities such as Edward's Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_syndrome) which leads to severe suffering and death if the child is brought to term.

Yeah, you see..for Mr. Frothy, prenatal care is just an evil, cost-cutting scheme promoted by "Satanic" abortion providers to convince women to terminate their pregnancies.

Mr. Frothy goes on to describe amniocentesis as a form of eugenics. (Nothing like a little bit of fear mongering to whip up the dumb as dirt GOP base!)

"One of the mandates is they require free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America," Santorum said of Barack Obama's health care policies. "Why? Because it saves money in health care. Why? Because free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions and therefore less care that has to be done, because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society...[It's] another hidden message as to what President Obama thinks of those who are less able."

Really Rick? Wow!
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eg8r
02-27-2012, 06:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diablow's twisted interpretation</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Slick Rick" Santorum...doesn't want insurance companies paying for simple prenatal tests that can determine if a child will be born with a severe disability or mental illness.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: proof that diablow is lying</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"One of the mandates is they require free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America," Santorum said of Barack Obama's health care policies. "Why? Because it saves money in health care. Why? Because free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions and therefore less care that has to be done, because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society...[It's] another hidden message as to what President Obama thinks of those who are less able."
</div></div>The Santorum quote you chose to bolster your defense slapped you right in the face. The next time you attempt to explain someone's position maybe you should take a minute to understand it or ask someone who does understand it to explain it to you.

eg8r

DiabloViejo
02-27-2012, 06:57 PM
How's about you explain it to me? I mean after all, for an erudite man such as you it should be easy to clear up my confusion. After all I'm just a simple ignorant man. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/whistle.gif

DiabloViejo
02-27-2012, 07:00 PM
BTW, while you're at it, do you agree that if a rape victim was a virgin, the rapist should pay her father 50 pieces of silver and be forced to marry her?

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eg8r
02-27-2012, 07:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How's about you explain it to me? </div></div>It is quite simple. I figured by putting your BS next to his statement you could figure it out.

Your lie: Santorum "doesn't want insurance companies paying for simple prenatal tests" (don't get pissy, I just cut a small portion).

What Santorum actually said: "One of the mandates is they require free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America"

Translation for diablow...Santorum has no problem with insurance companies paying for this test. What he is opposed to is the imperial federal government of Obama MANDATING that this test be covered.

If an insurance companies chooses to provide this service (which plenty already do) then that is fine. However, when the government starts mandating it then that is a whole new ball game and that is what Santorum is against.

eg8r

eg8r
02-27-2012, 07:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BTW, while you're at it, do you agree that if a rape victim was a virgin, the rapist should pay her father 50 pieces of silver and be forced to marry her?
</div></div>Why would you ask? What does that have to do with the subject this thread (which you have lied about)?

eg8r

DiabloViejo
02-27-2012, 07:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How's about you explain it to me? </div></div>It is quite simple. I figured by putting your BS next to his statement you could figure it out.

Your lie: Santorum "doesn't want insurance companies paying for simple prenatal tests" (don't get pissy, I just cut a small portion).

What Santorum actually said: "One of the mandates is they require free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America"

Translation for diablow...Santorum has no problem with insurance companies paying for this test. What he is opposed to is the imperial federal government of Obama MANDATING that this test be covered.

If an insurance companies chooses to provide this service (which plenty already do) then that is fine. However, when the government starts mandating it then that is a whole new ball game and that is what Santorum is against.

eg8r </div></div>

Actually, I think it sends a pretty clear message that Rick Santorum knows next to nothing about pregnancy and women’s health, and sees the whole world through abortion-colored glasses. But then again (as your buddy LWW likes to say,) you already knew that.

BTW, you couldn't get thru your response without an ad-hominem remark could you? Tisk, tisk, you guys are sooo predictable!

DiabloViejo
02-27-2012, 07:39 PM
No, I wasn't lying, but here's a whopper of a lie for you; "you are a veritable fountain of knowledge and wisdom and your opinions are worth their weight in gold." How's that work for you?

BTW, as regards the rape abortion question, it's part of an evil underhanded Alinsky trick. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I cooked it up here at Evil Liberal Cabal Headquarters as part of my filthy liberal scum debate tactics with input from the rest of my fellow moonbats and with guidance obtained from Alinsky himself via a Satanic seance. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

eg8r
02-27-2012, 09:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BTW, as regards the rape abortion question, </div></div>LOL, it is so funny to see you run your mouth before you get to what you think you need to say.

eg8r

eg8r
02-27-2012, 09:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, I think it sends a pretty clear message that Rick Santorum knows next to nothing about pregnancy and women’s health</div></div>Don't go changing the subject. The fact is you misrepresented Santorum's position based on the quotes you have chosen to use.

eg8r

DiabloViejo
02-27-2012, 10:27 PM
LOL, LOL, LOL!! Why do you hate America?

DiabloViejo
02-27-2012, 10:33 PM
Dance monkey, dance!! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Dance of the right wingers! (http://youtu.be/44Y-_JAjAwE)

Qtec
02-28-2012, 02:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"One of the mandates is they require free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America," Santorum said of Barack Obama's health care policies. "Why? Because it saves money in health care. Why? Because free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions and therefore less care that has to be done, because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society...[It's] another hidden message as to what President Obama thinks of those who are less able." </div></div>

Where in the above does it say '.Santorum has no problem with insurance companies paying for this test.'?

It doesn't. It says the opposite. Rick is against this testing PERIOD....,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why? Because <u>free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions</u> </div></div>


You can put lipstick on a pig.......



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eg8r
02-28-2012, 08:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where in the above does it say '.Santorum has no problem with insurance companies paying for this test.'?

It doesn't. It says the opposite. Rick is against this testing PERIOD....,
</div></div>It doesn't say he is against insurance companies paying for the test. Unless you can show a quote where he does say that then you are all misrepresenting what he is saying.

It only takes a little common sense to see that Santorum is against Obamacare forcing this service on all insurance providers. He is against the government telling insurance providers what is required coverage.

eg8r

Qtec
02-29-2012, 05:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It only takes a little common sense to see that Santorum is against Obamacare forcing this service on all insurance providers. <span style="color: #000099">Bollocks.</span> He is against the government telling insurance providers what is required coverage.

eg8r </div></div>

LOL. Really!!!????????

Lets keep to what he actually said, not what you think he said.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"<span style='font-size: 17pt'>One of the mandates</span> is they require free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America," Santorum said of Barack Obama's health care policies. </div></div>

There are many mandates in the ACA. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Why is Rick against this one in particular?</span>

Rick explains.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why? Because <span style='font-size: 23pt'><u>free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions</u> </span>and therefore <span style="color: #000099">blah blah blah</span> </div></div>

The ACA mandates that HC insurance for women includes the <span style='font-size: 17pt'>option</span> of contraception and pre-natal testing. They can take it or leave it.

Rick wants to take that option away.

Why?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why? Because <span style='font-size: 23pt'><u>free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions</u> </span> </div></div>

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eg8r
02-29-2012, 09:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are many mandates in the ACA. Why is Rick against this one in particular?
</div></div>There many mandates you are correct. I am open minded here, can you list off all the ones that are the same as this one. Just list off all the mandates on insurance companies to provide this type of service. I don't know how many there are, and you can bet I don't believe we should keep adding to the list. I am fine with a mandate that enforces patient confidentiality, but then again that is different then telling an insurance company what should be free or not.

eg8r