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llotter
03-02-2012, 08:15 AM
Subject: Here is EVERYTHING you ever need to know about how government works:



The food stamp program, part of the Department of agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the Park Service, part of the Department of the Interior, asks us please not to feed the animals because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.

sack316
03-02-2012, 08:20 AM
Never really thought about that analogy, but how true!

Sack

eg8r
03-02-2012, 08:22 AM
Repost!!!

eg8r

Soflasnapper
03-02-2012, 09:04 AM
the Park Service, part of the Department of the Interior, asks us please not to feed the animals because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.

As they remind us that it is a crime to do that? Not optional, against the law in national parks.

There's a moral component involved with hungry people that isn't there with animals, and of course, a lawful course of action is available.

LWW
03-02-2012, 03:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the Park Service, part of the Department of the Interior, asks us please not to feed the animals because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.

As they remind us that it is a crime to do that? Not optional, against the law in national parks.

There's a moral component involved with hungry people that isn't there with animals, and of course, a lawful course of action is available. </div></div>

You are correct ... it is immoral to take someone's dignity and trap them into eternal dependence and treatment by the state as being sub-human

Soflasnapper
03-02-2012, 05:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the Park Service, part of the Department of the Interior, asks us please not to feed the animals because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.

As they remind us that it is a crime to do that? Not optional, against the law in national parks.

There's a moral component involved with hungry people that isn't there with animals, and of course, a lawful course of action is available. </div></div>

You are correct ... it is immoral to take someone's dignity and trap them into eternal dependence and treatment by the state as being sub-human </div></div>

That was the argument before the welfare reform was done.

Now that the welfare reform is 16 years old, you'd think you'd remember that was done, which made 'eternal dependence' quite impossible, given that all the aid remaining out of these old programs was strictly time limited.

It's even called Temporary Aid for Needy Families. And it really is temporary, with a lifetime cap regardless of future need.

llotter
03-02-2012, 06:43 PM
The Church of State does not and can not be the source of any moral component. The Church of State is anti-religion and anti-morality and enemy of freedom so it is a poor place to maintain any moral grounding as liberals are wont to do.

cushioncrawler
03-03-2012, 01:28 AM
We are all animals -- the difference being that bears are not superstitious.
mac.

LWW
03-03-2012, 04:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was the argument before the welfare reform was done.

Now that the welfare reform is 16 years old, you'd think you'd remember that was done, which made 'eternal dependence' quite impossible, given that all the aid remaining out of these old programs was strictly time limited.

It's even called Temporary Aid for Needy Families. And it really is temporary, with a lifetime cap regardless of future need. </div></div>

And it led to massive deficit reductions and a boom in employment.

Since 2007 ... and especially since 2009 ... welfare reform has been largely dismantled.

LWW
03-03-2012, 04:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Church of State does not and can not be the source of any moral component. The Church of State is anti-religion and anti-morality and enemy of freedom so it is a poor place to maintain any moral grounding as liberals are wont to do. </div></div>

I concur.

Soflasnapper
03-03-2012, 10:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was the argument before the welfare reform was done.

Now that the welfare reform is 16 years old, you'd think you'd remember that was done, which made 'eternal dependence' quite impossible, given that all the aid remaining out of these old programs was strictly time limited.

It's even called Temporary Aid for Needy Families. And it really is temporary, with a lifetime cap regardless of future need. </div></div>

And it led to massive deficit reductions and a boom in employment.

Since 2007 ... and especially since 2009 ... welfare reform has been largely dismantled. </div></div>

As you repeatedly claim without any factual basis for that claim, apparently. This appears true in your world only.

You should reexamine your beliefs occasionally and see if they actually line up with facts in the world or not.

LWW
03-03-2012, 03:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was the argument before the welfare reform was done.

Now that the welfare reform is 16 years old, you'd think you'd remember that was done, which made 'eternal dependence' quite impossible, given that all the aid remaining out of these old programs was strictly time limited.

It's even called Temporary Aid for Needy Families. And it really is temporary, with a lifetime cap regardless of future need. </div></div>

And it led to massive deficit reductions and a boom in employment.

Since 2007 ... and especially since 2009 ... welfare reform has been largely dismantled. </div></div>

As you repeatedly claim without any <s>factual basis</s> regime approved spoon fed data for that claim apparently. This appears true in <s>your</s> a world prohibited to hyper-partisans such as myself <s>only</s>.

You should reexamine your beliefs <s>occasionally</s> and <s>see if</s> be sure that they they actually line up with <s>facts in the world or not</s> "TRUTH" approved by the regime. </div></div>

I fixed that for you.

Now, tighten your blinders on real good:

THE REGIME EXPANDED WELFARE SPENDING BY 42% IN ONE SINGLE BILL (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/03/expanding-the-failed-war-on-poverty-obamas-2011-budget-increases-welfare-spending-to-historic-levels)

Sev
03-03-2012, 08:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Subject: Here is EVERYTHING you ever need to know about how government works:



The food stamp program, part of the Department of agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the Park Service, part of the Department of the Interior, asks us please not to feed the animals because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.


</div></div>

Amazing isnt it?

Soflasnapper
03-04-2012, 09:39 AM
Now, tighten your blinders on real good:

THE REGIME EXPANDED WELFARE SPENDING BY 42% IN ONE SINGLE BILL

The blinders must be too tight, as they are cutting off my circulation so much I cannot see anything like this in your link!

In fact, it doesn't mention anything like what you've said. Perhaps you should loosen your blinders so that you have better circulation to your eyes and will then see this is not supported by your sainted source.

You're missing the chicken/egg issue, which is that without any change in formulae or policy, a vastly increased eligible population will indeed cause more expenditures. There was a vastly increased number eligible quite apart from anything Obama did, particularly for Medicaid, as people lost their health insurance when they became unemployed.

And again, as I said, the programs still remain subject to time limits, so your fanciful claims of eternal dependence fall short of the facts.