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DiabloViejo
03-06-2012, 01:47 PM
Military conference offers a woman’s perspective
Petula Dvorak, Columnist
Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/military-conference-offers-womens-perspective/2012/03/05/gIQAHeLhtR_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines)

Okay, men, I double dog dare y’all to do it here.

Come to this military conference, look into the eyes of the commander of a naval warship or the strike officer who was in charge of deploying Tomahawk cruise missile tests or the major christened “The Angel of Death” by an Afghan general, and tell these women that you want to decide their reproductive future.

Go ahead, Rush, and see if you have the nerve to call any of these women in uniform sluts for using contraceptives to plan their families around deployments.

I dare you.

This was my first thought when I walked into a Maryland ballroom Monday filled with about 1,700 U.S. servicewomen from all five branches of the military. Hundreds of uniforms, stars, bars and medals, including at least a dozen kind-of-billowy maternity uniforms, and about 1,700 ramrod straight backs.

The Sea Service Leadership Association said this is the largest gathering of military women ever. It offers an opportunity for those in uniform to speak not only about being service members but also about being women.

“Usually, we find ourselves in the minority,” said Navy Cmdr. Nicole L. Maver-Shue, who is president of the association that put on the conference.

For retired Air Force Brig. Gen. Wilma Vaught, one of the military’s most decorated women, that sea of uniformed females was an amazing sight. It was a bit different when she was one woman with 3,300 men in Guam or one of the only women in her military unit in Saigon in the 1960s.

She looked at one of the few men in the ballroom and said she felt like saying to him: “Do you feel like you’re a minority? Because that’s how it felt in every meeting I went to.”

The association gave Vaught a lifetime achievement award. And because it was women awarding a woman, the presenter said, the general was presented with a jeweled brooch “rather than just a pyramid for her desk.”

Vaught, an American pioneer for women in the military, is a living example of how far women in the military have come. The women applauding her were pilots, warship commanders, rear admirals and platoon leaders.

No men should be lecturing these women about any aspect of their reproductive lives, Vaught said.

“As I watch this whole thing, the talk about sex — contraception and abortion and all these other things — I look at legislators, who are majority male,” Vaught told me. “They’re perfectly willing to vote and take away” rights that should be between women and their doctors.

Of course, military women do have one advantage over their civilian counterparts: their health insurance, Tricare, covers their contraception.

America’s active-duty military is nearly 15 percent female. And it’s the kind of place where hair is pulled back and gender is rarely discussed.

“It’s not like I actively hide it. But you just don’t put it out there, you don’t talk about female things, and you don’t want to make waves,” said Air Force Maj. Allison Black, the first female AC-130H Spectre navigator to open fire in combat. She became known as The Angel of Death in Afghanistan.

Back home in Fairfax Station, the Angel of Death has two sons, 4 and 6, and coaches their T-ball team. She doesn’t make a big deal about juggling her parenting duties with her day job, and neither do other women in uniform.

This conference, which is in its 25th year and gets bigger each year, is the one place where they feel comfortable talking about not only their careers but also about being women and mothers.

“We’re the only military conference that has a lactation room,” Maver-Shue declared.

Outside in the hallways, I talked to women about their biggest concerns. A group of Marines was talking about the challenge women can sometimes pose to one another. “Us! We can be our own worst enemies!” one Marine said.

“We’re the few, the proud. And there’s so few of us women, we look out for ourselves but not always each other,” another said.

Over at a Coast Guard clique, the talk was of the uniforms, how the sizes that most women need are really hard to find. And how full-sleeve tattoos are okay but nail polish isn’t.

“Yes, there are big issues: sexual assault, pregnancy is a big one, work/life balance,” Maver-Shue said. “But here we get to talk about them and work to solve them from a woman’s perspective.”

There’s no name-calling, no frat-boy pranks set to raunchy music while talking about intrusive medical procedures.

It’s just women who can talk Howitzers, missile deployments, child care and nail polish without worry.

eg8r
03-06-2012, 02:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay, men, I double dog dare y’all to do it here.

Come to this military conference, look into the eyes of the commander of a naval warship or the strike officer who was in charge of deploying Tomahawk cruise missile tests or the major christened “The Angel of Death” by an Afghan general, and tell these women that you want to decide their reproductive future.

Go ahead, Rush, and see if you have the nerve to call any of these women in uniform sluts for using contraceptives to plan their families around deployments.

I dare you.

This was my first thought when I walked into a Maryland ballroom Monday</div></div>Wow, this ditz had 24 to think about her column and still was not smart enough to figure out how bad she missed the mark. There is a reason this ditz is writing a column and those women are the ones in our military. This chick couldn't hit the "subject" tree if there was an entire forest filled with them.

OK, so let's review what Rush was saying...He was responding to a woman that said she was going broke buying contraception. Rush was in no way chastising her for using contraception but rather he was chastising her for not being able to control herself and budget accordingly.

Now this mental midget decides to write a column and the subject is about women using contraception to plan families around deployments. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif How much further from the subject could this woman be?

Jeesh, even when I agree with these people they make it hard. Seriously if you don't understand what Rush is saying then just shut up already. Rush never should have called the lady the names that he did but then again, the mental midget that wrote this column should have also never said the words she said (as far as using them to attack Rush).

eg8r

Qtec
03-07-2012, 01:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, so let's review what Rush was saying...He was responding to a woman that said she was going broke buying contraception.</div></div>
Still wrong.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Rush was in no way chastising her for using contraception but rather he was chastising her for not being able to<u> control herself</u> and budget accordingly. </div></div>

LOL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5) “You'd call 'em a slut, a prostitute”
6) “she's having so much sex”
7) “are having so much sex that they’re going broke”
8) “they want to have sex any time, as many times and as often as they want, with as many partners as they want”
9) “the sexual habits of female law students at Georgetown”
10) “are having so much sex that they’re going broke”
11) “having so much sex that it's hard to make ends meet”
12) “four out of every ten co-eds are having so much sex that it's hard to make ends meet”
13) “Now, what does that make her? She wants us to buy her sex.”
14) “to pay for these co-eds to have sex”
15) “she and her co-ed classmates are having sex nearly three times a day for three years straight, apparently these deadbeat boyfriends or random hookups that these babes are encountering here, having sex with nearly three times a day”
16) “Therefore we are paying her to have sex. Therefore we are paying her for having sex.”
17) “Have you ever heard of not having sex so often?”
18) <span style='font-size: 14pt'>“Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal: If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. And I'll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.”
19) “we want something in return, Ms. Fluke: And that would be the videos of all this sex posted online so we can see what we are getting for our money.”</span> </div></div>

This is about whether contraception should or should not be included in women,s HC insurance.
The Women say yes.
The Doctors say yes.
The HC companies say yes.

Who says no and on what grounds?





Q

LWW
03-07-2012, 06:00 AM
You have a point ... but a nice fedora would cover it.

eg8r
03-07-2012, 08:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On a daily basis, I hear from yet another woman from Georgetown or other schools or who works for a religiously affiliated employer who has suffered financial, emotional, and medical burdens because of this lack of contraceptive coverage</div></div>OK, qtip, let's take this real slow for you. When a college student is referring to their financial burden they are saying they don't have enough money to do what they want. If you don't have the money to do what you want, and you continue doing what you want then that is called "going broke". I did not say they were broke. I did not say they were living on the streets. I said they were "going broke" which is absolutely true if we are to believe Flukes ridiculous statement.

Now, on to the control part which you ignorantly thought was funny. If you cannot afford to do something, yet you continually do it causing a financial burden then you don't have control of yourself.

Here is the lie that Fluke stated...<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraception coverage in its student health plan.</div></div>Actually the law school does cover contraception in those instance where it used for non-contraceptive reasons. It takes Fluke a while to correct this lie in her speech and it was subtle and see why you missed it. So, this is telling us that her financial burden, in reference to contraception, is related to sex. She continues to purchase contraception knowing it is causing a financial burden which means she has lost control of her libido.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who says no and on what grounds?
</div></div>The people that don't need it, use it or want to pay for it. Wake up McFly, sexually active women are not the only voice for everyone's insurance policies. If you want this coverage then pay extra for it on your own policy. This entitlement mentality is completely out of control.

eg8r

Qtec
03-07-2012, 09:12 AM
let's take this real slow for you.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When a college student is referring to their financial burden they are saying they don't have enough money to do what they want. </div></div>

No. She is complaining about the EXTRA cost because their HC insurance, that they pay for, does not cover contraception.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually the law school does cover contraception in those instance where it used for non-contraceptive reasons. </div></div>

Here is what she actually said, not what you think she said.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries.
Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans, it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, or
Representative Fortenberry’s bill, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>there’s no requirement that an exception be made for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictate
whose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren’t, a woman’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.</span>


<span style='font-size: 17pt'>In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover
her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. <span style="color: #000099">Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy.</span></span> <span style='font-size: 26pt'>She’s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy.</span></div></div>

So, your argument is this.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"Do you really need this contraception for your health or are you and your Doctor lying because you are a slut?"</span>

So much for small Govt and 'don't tread on me'. You and your ilk want to dictate.

Q

eg8r
03-07-2012, 02:35 PM
I guess I just could not dumb it down enough for you. Continue on living your life oblivious to reality.

eg8r

LWW
03-07-2012, 05:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess I just could not dumb it down enough for you. Continue on living your life oblivious to reality.

eg8r </div></div>

It's a darned tough task indeed.

I have tried and failed many times.