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Qtec
03-10-2012, 05:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the department of “you can’t make this $hit up.”

<span style='font-size: 14pt'> The lead plaintiff in the case against the Affordable Care Act,</span> which Republicans lovingly refer to as Obamacare, who is being represented by the astroturfing National Federation of Independent Business, filed for bankruptcy in the fall<span style='font-size: 14pt'> because of medical bills.</span>

Mary Brown, a 56-year-old Florida woman who owned a small auto repair shop but had no health insurance, became the lead plaintiff challenging President Obama’s healthcare law because she was passionate about the issue.

Brown “doesn’t have insurance. She doesn’t want to pay for it. And she doesn’t want the government to tell her she has to have it,” said Karen Harned, a lawyer for the National Federation of Independent Business. Brown is a plaintiff in the federation’s case, which the Supreme Court plans to hear later this month.

But court records reveal that Brown and her husband filed for bankruptcy last fall with <u>$4,500 in unpaid medical bills. Those bills could change Brown from a symbol of proud independence into an example of exactly the problem the healthcare law was intended to address.</u>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The lead plaintiff challenging the ACA is now a lead example of, and a strong case for, the rationale behind the Affordable Care Act.</span></div></div>

...the irony.

Q,,,,,,,,,, link (http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2012/03/medical-bills-bankrupted-aca-challenger.html)

Soflasnapper
03-10-2012, 11:38 AM
Another irony-- the Anti-Injunction Act will prevent lawsuits from proceeding before the law takes effect, and this woman, and the states, will be found to lack standing to proceed, by SCOTUS ruling, until, as the term of art goes, the matter RIPENS.

eg8r
03-10-2012, 04:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But court records reveal that Brown and her husband filed for bankruptcy last fall with $4,500 in unpaid medical bills. Those bills could change Brown from a symbol of proud independence into an example of exactly the problem the healthcare law was intended to address.
</div></div>What a shame the bankruptcy judge approved this. Going bankrupt over $4500. What type of bankruptcy did they file? Did they claim the medical bills are what caused the bankruptcy? Or was their business failing badly and that is the true reason for the bankruptcy?

eg8r

Qtec
03-11-2012, 12:33 AM
After further research, I must admit the title of the article I posted is misleading. As you say, nobody goes bankrupt for $4,500. Its actually a small part of the total debt.

Here is a fairer account. link (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/08/nation/la-na-healthcare-plaintiff-20120309)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The business federation, along with other critics of the law, calls the insurance mandate a "threat to individual liberty" that violates the Constitution.

Obama administration lawyers argue that the requirement is justified because everyone, sooner or later, needs healthcare. Those who fail to have insurance are at high risk of running up bills they cannot pay, sticking the rest of society with the cost, they argue. Brown's situation, they say, is a perfect example of exactly that kind of "uncompensated care that will ultimately be paid by others."

"This is so ironic," Jane Perkins, a health law expert in North Carolina, said of Brown's situation. "It just shows that all Americans inevitably have a need for healthcare. Somebody has paid for her healthcare costs. And she is now among the 62% whose personal bankruptcy was attributable in part to medical bills."

Lawyers who represent Brown dispute the significance of her bankruptcy. They say her unpaid medical bills were only a small part of her debts and did not cause her bankruptcy. They say that she and her husband owe $55,000 to others, including credit card companies. And they say her financial troubles were caused by the failure of her auto repair shop. </div></div>



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LWW
03-11-2012, 01:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q,,,,,,,,,, link (http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2012/03/medical-bills-bankrupted-aca-challenger.html)
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It's a shame you didn't read it.

Again.

If you would have, you would have seen this:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>They say that she and her husband owe $55,000 to others, including credit card companies. And they say her financial troubles were caused by the failure of her auto repair shop.</span> </div></div>

Sadly, gubmint health care cannot cure those who are willfully ignorant.

Qtec
03-11-2012, 03:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Q,,,,,,,,,, link (http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2012/03/medical-bills-bankrupted-aca-challenger.html)
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It's a shame you didn't read it.

Again.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>If you would have, you would have seen this:</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>They say that she and her husband owe $55,000 to others, including credit card companies. And they say her financial troubles were caused by the failure of her auto repair shop.</span> </div></div>

Sadly, gubmint health care cannot cure those who are willfully ignorant. </div></div>


MORON.


I quote from MY ORIGINAL POST.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>They say that she and her husband owe $55,000 to others, including credit card companies. And they say her financial troubles were caused by the failure of her auto repair shop. </span> </div></div>

It's a shame you didn't read it...Again.

Q

cushioncrawler
03-11-2012, 05:33 AM
Praps the auto shop failed koz customers didnt pay their bills, partly koz of healthcare costs.
And praps they koodnt pay koz they were owed by others who had healthcare bills.
And who in turn werent payed by others who had healthcare bills.
Etc etc.
mac.

eg8r
03-11-2012, 09:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sticking the rest of society with the cost,</div></div>This is the core of what is happening.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jane perkins, a health law expert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Somebody has paid for her healthcare costs. And she is now among the 62% whose personal bankruptcy was attributable in part to medical bills."
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lawyers representing Brown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lawyers who represent Brown dispute the significance of her bankruptcy. They say her unpaid medical bills were only a small part of her debts and did not cause her bankruptcy.</div></div>Proving yet again that these "experts" really are not experts at all. Based on the info provided it is absolutely crystal clear that the medical bills have nothing to do with bankruptcy and the couple are being schmucks and throwing that in the bankruptcy because they know they can get away with it. Mrs. Perkins, the "the health law expert" schmuck is also trying to use this as an example for her agenda and she is clearly failing.

Shame on the "health law expert" for trying to bundle this example in with her "case". All this goes to show is that her specific research is coming up pretty dry and she is gasping for air. In saying that, I am not discounting that medical bills have forced plenty of people into bankruptcy, I agree that has certainly been the case plenty of times. Having said that you would think Mrs Perkins would not have to stoop so low for tangible evidence to prop up her agenda.

eg8r

LWW
03-12-2012, 02:25 AM
I stand corrected ... I should have said that it's sad you are so brainwashed that you can't comprehend what was in your link.

Qtec
03-12-2012, 02:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Based on the info provided it is absolutely crystal clear that the medical bills have nothing to do with bankruptcy </div></div>

How do you know? maybe it was the medical bills that pushed them over the edge.

Its not the point.

The woman who argues against the ACA saying she doesn't need insurance <span style='font-size: 14pt'>just stuck the taxpayer for $4,500.</span>

Another free-loader as you would say.


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LWW
03-12-2012, 02:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Based on the info provided it is absolutely crystal clear that the medical bills have nothing to do with bankruptcy and the couple are being schmucks and throwing that in the bankruptcy because they know they can get away with it.

eg8r </div></div>

And this is so true.

I have seen countless credit bureaus where someone would charge off credit cards, car loans, home equity loans and other debt ... often totaling 6 figures ... and give the reason as a $1,000.00 medical bill.

Soflasnapper
03-12-2012, 08:44 AM
No one can discharge the payment of credit cards in bankruptcy any longer, which has been true for years now.